Judge Ito

Me personally knowing that the engine has higher compression rotors I did not want to detonate in the dyno. When I made my first dyno pull I checked igniton timing in the dyno making a 4 gear pull using 93 octane. Using a 2 CYCLE TIMING LIGHT. The ignition timing was over 30 degrees BTDC while we did the pull. Rx8 made 188rwhp after I saw that much timing advance under a load I changed to 103 octane and made a pull. Made 196.5 rwhp with the higher octance. I repeat timing was checked under a load and is over 30 degrees of timing advance.

Ike

Haha, why was this made a sticky. That's hillarious... Great runs and I'm happy to see the car can get mag times, even if it was on race gas, but making it a sticky is pointless. Hell, there's not even a cool video or a time slip in it. It's sad that you're making it such a monumental occasion for a car to run what it was supposed to all along.

Ike

PoLaK

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Ike, you better then anyone should understand that race gas does not make a car faster, it is more of a cheep solution to retard/accelerate a cars timing etc... You also more than anyone puts a whole lot of emphasis on "quarter mile" or "my car can ran this" and I thought you would finally be pacified by this tread and ignore spreading your conspiracy theories about Mazda lying to us. But instead you pick at little things like, it was race gas (your taking it to drag strip most of the cars there do), or not every car is built equal nonsense.

(I believe Judge, Vosko, and im sure time slips will be posted shortly)

I the tread sticky because it is the first time an owner has achieved reported times, a big achievement and hopefully a stop to a lot of the mudslinging.

Ike

The damn car dynoed higher with race gas, what more do you want as proof that it will help performance? I'm happy for you guys that the car ran a 14.5 but I still think Mazda is full of crap when they say it has 238HP stock. It doesn't make it a bad car nor am I putting it down, but there is no way that there is 20+% drivetrain loss on a RWD car, and I just don't buy Mazda's explanation for the low dyno runs. <awaits the flames>

Ike

RussellP

he also said he think he coulda got a 14.3. He got a 14.6 with a major shifting error.

Chuck Clifford

Because you and blu350z said it would never run mag times under any condition. All of your flame claims are now, one by one going down. Autox, 1/4 mile, as the people get more comfortable with their cars, all your assumptions and unsubstantiated BS is getting disproved. Enjoy all the posts Ike.

rx8daniel

Ike, I'm glad you like your car. I respect that you don't like the RX-8 or rotary engines. But get a life. Really. I want to read more about other 8 owners' experiences and I dont' have time to read everything they write. with all due respect you'd be happier on a WRX forum. (I have an XT-6, would like to replace it w/ a SVX, had considered the WRX before it was evident the 8 would finally make it to production so I'm not anti-Subaru).

anyway, to the point of the thread - J.Ito - what tire pressure did you run? Blue350 - I'm sure you can learn how to 'power shift'-don't worry about the clutch or grinding, as long as you do your normal clutch in you shouldn't have a problem. I supposed my 15.24 was in reality using 'granny' shifting, and normal gasoline. If my car is capable of 14.5 using 100 octane and power shifting that's nice to know, but I'm not very anxious to try it just to prove a point. I'll stick to longer-clutch-life-enducing normal shifting. If someday I get a new RX-7 when they come out and I'm bent on beating the pants off of an STi for some reason, maybe I'll find a POS car to learn speedshifting on then go out and go for some low 13s in that car. But that's a couple years off at best.

Judge Ito

Why was this info. made a sticky? I would say reading some of the post that have been writting in this thread, have some valuable information that could help other Rx8 owners improve the performance stats of this great Mazda rotary powered vehicle.
I personally believe the Rx8 will run 14.3 or better next time I test the car. The drag strip I ran 14.5 in, is considered the worst track we have in Jersey. The track is no where near sea level like the other two tracks that I'll be testing in.
When Vosko posted this info. is not to brag about the Rx8 but to give people some valuable information about this car that many people seem to be a little disappointed about.
The Rx8 has some serious potential. I will install some headers and complete exhaust intake and later port and polish the engine and resize the 4&5 fuel injectors and I will run 12.80 or better all motor with a car that tips the scale @3256lbs

Judge Ito

Who cares what Mazda has to say. rotary engine enthusiats have never followed or listen to anybody when it comes to these cars. 75% of Rx7's in this country have been modified one way or another and so will the Rx8. The point here is the Rx8 has a great foundation for modifications and resulting in some nice power.

Blue 350z

All I am going to say is the first time somebody runs a 14.6 you make this a sticky? LOL.. Dynos have already proved that it makes more HP for the RX8 and powershifting is something that maybe 1 in 10,000 will actually try. Also there are always going to be factory freaks.

The 350z's claimed mag times are between 14.1-14.3. Just about every 350z that runs at the track is between 13.9-14.2, even the autos.. EVERY 350z, not 1 in 10,000 that come near the time.

Do you people still not realize that the RX8 is missing about 30+HP? Its not going to run the claimed times! I'm sure a few will come close as in this case with some advantages and a strong car but the norm is still going to be low 15's!

So does 1 car hitting near (14.6 vs 14.5) the mag time with racing gas, a long time drag racer that is poweshifting really mean that everybody can run a 14.5??

Judge Ito

Daniel I ran the tire pressure @ 17lbs with a really good burnout and the DSC totally OFF I got a 1.9 60 ft. times.

Judge Ito

Ok I try to study your answer here and I would say that we have 2 totally different types of cars with similar weight characteristics but a mayor difference in torque. The Rx8 comes in at 135 to 139 ft lbs of torque tipping the scale @ 3000lbs. low torque has a mayor effect of quarter mile times when your pushing heavy weight like the Rx8. Basically with such low torque and heavy weight there is no room for driving error.

Chuck Clifford

What was that blu350z, I didn't get anything after the wah, wah, wah. 3 cars have been on the track, not 10,000. Speed shifting or power shifting is not hard to do, 20 years ago it was the norm. Synchronizing your left foot to your right hand is done on a daily basis by millions of people in thousand of tasks. Good quarter mile racers do it consitently with little to no effort or damage to their cars. I suggest you learn.

This not only deserves a sticky, but it needs to be posted on the general forum where you and Ike made all your BS claims. The truth needs as much visability as your assumptions got.

Tresch

as much as I don't want to, I'm going to have to agree with Blue on this one though. I don't think he's really trying to rip on the 8 as much as you would like to think he was. I also think he's more using a 350 as an example, NOT a direct comparison. This isn't a 350z vs. rx8 war here! He's just using the car as an example to state how Mazda's horsepower claims are ridiculously overstated.

Getting a "mag time" should not be a hard ordeal. A normal/good driver with a normal car should be able to get a mag time. A pro racer using pro techniques on a STRONG gas car like Judge Ito's (NOTE: ITS WAY STRONGER THAN MOST, look at his dyno's compared to everyone elses) with RACE gas should be able to get SIGNIFICANTLY better than a mag time.

I don't doubt the rx8 has huge amounts of potential. I love the car, I still want to buy one, and I'm going to cross my fingers that mazda releases a new ECU flash that gets us our power back, so I can still run in BS stock in autocross!

rxeightr

I have owned my 1964 Corvette 4 speed for 23 years. Up until the last 2 years I thoroughly enjoyed speed shifting (I believe power shifting is a more common term these days).

Missing gears happens when speed shifting. The resulting revs above redline from my standpoint ultimately would do more engine harm than the drivetrain. Last year was the first time I had to replace the clutch, pressure plate, flywheel & have the Muncie transmission rebuilt.

None of this work was the result of speed shifting, as I had a leaking rear seal that contaminated the clutch, and a bad third gear syncro in the tranny which was that way when I bought the Vette.

No bottom-end engine work has been performed since ownership. But since the Vette is now just shy of 40 years old, it was time for me to turn my speed shifting to another fine piece of engineering machinery.

Ike

Show me where I said it wouldn't run mag times under any condition? I'm happy that someone was able to run a good time, I'm also a bit disappointed that it was on race gas and would have liked to have seen it on 91 or even 93 octane. I'm happy for the 8 owners (save for a few of you) that someone was able to post good times, I just found it funny this was made a sticky. FYI: The mag times are run with full tanks of gas and 91 octane I believe.

I've also said it would be a good autox car but I don't feel it's as good as the S2K given close to equal drivers, one RX-8 beating one S2K means nothing to me. Wait til nationals next year and if the RX-8 can take out the S2K there I'll eat my words.

Judge/Vosko, I really don't turn this into a HP issue, but your oppinion would be appreciated. Do you think the car is making 238 at the crank, or do you think the retuned ECU dropped the HP down more than Mazda is willing to admit like I and many others suspect?

RX8daniel, I like the RX-8 and the Rotary quite a bit, I'm just not a loyalist like some of it's owners, which is to be expected. I post on WRX boards as well as other car boards, I'm here because I like cars and once considered the RX-8. I've stayed because it's damn entertaining here with people like Chuck, Broker, Klegg, and Russell. The contraversy surrounding the whole car has been interesting to follow. I never would have come to the board in the first place had I not been interested in possibly purchasing the car, the events that happened afterwards is what made me stay. I never came here with intentions to troll.

Ike

P.S. Judge, go run a mid 14 on normal gas next time out and get the slips up so I can shutup once and for all on this issue :p

downshift

Please indulge me. Suppose if you come here to troll, what kind of a response would you write on this thread?

Ike

I was reffering to the forum...

m477

Riiiight... so it wasn't until you clicked on a thread that the urge overcame you?


I can't ever remember seeing one even remotely useful post from ike or blu.

CarEnthusiast

Slips?


Also, isnt this jumping the gun a wee bit early? Or am I wrong?

R/T .358
60. 2.17
330. 6.07
1/8. 9.35
MPH 75.64
1000. 12.17
1/4. 14.57
MPH. 94.07


R/T. .455
60.1.98
330. 5.98
1/8. 9.29
MPH. 76.03
1000. 12..09
1/4. 14.66
MPH. 93.33

Ike

Yes, but they weren't bracket racing so redlights don't matter and won't do anything for ETs.

Judge Ito

Ill be testing today on pump gas 93 octane for two rounds then Ill bump the octane a bit.

Sneakyracer

Judge Ito:

what was the track temperature and conditions. I think it has cooled considerably in the northeast. that helps a TON! Also your milage wasnt that high. mid-low 90's. It seems you really got the most out of the car though. The lowest milage I have seen a 13.9 sec 1/4 mile time is 95.5 mph on an EVO and 96 on a modded wrx. Both do 1.7-1.8 sec 60ft. Of course a car that does 14.5 at 97mph would beat both of those cars silly on the expressway.

vosko

my old T2 ran 13.7@100mph....

Ike

A car that runs mid 14s is not going to beat a EVO on a highway roll and would even have hard times with a stock WRX let alone a modded one.

Ike