Turboed Feed Rx8 vs EG Civic
06-30-2006, 11:13 AM
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out of subject i think i have the american touge dvd that featured the PEPSI rx8 i have no way or idea how to show it to u guys so ill just say wat hap. it raced against an eg the eg had one of the best times and tsuchiya was drivin it and really liked it. it won the best ff car award. the 8 won the race. 8 vs. a skyline for semifinals and lost skyline vs. comptech nsx for finals and skyline won the driver of the 8 really liked the 8 but it couldnt catch up to the skyline at the corner exits
06-30-2006, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by XDEEDUBBX
i believe it had to do with shiv's car from vishnu..there was a write up about it from ike a while back.
07-22-2006, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BigOLundh
As much as i love you... i would have to disagree with that 100%.
Power, Weight, Suspension on all cars with enough time, technology and effort can be adjusted to extreme amounts. Holding all those constant between an FD and RX8 would make them equal yes?
no, because the RX-8 has a much, much better chasis than the FD. Very important in racing.
Power, Weight, Suspension on all cars with enough time, technology and effort can be adjusted to extreme amounts. Holding all those constant between an FD and RX8 would make them equal yes?
no, because the RX-8 has a much, much better chasis than the FD. Very important in racing.
07-22-2006, 10:59 PM
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the chassis of the RX-8 is much better than the chassis of the FD rx-7. it has a much higher torsional rigidity(nearly twice as much) and bending stiffness. and it has alower polar inertial moment.The engine is mounted 2.4-inch further rearward and 1.6-inch lower than in the RX-7. All the main masses – engine, six speed manual transmission and fuel tank – are located within the wheelbase, which is ideal for quick steering response.
07-22-2006, 11:08 PM
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I happen to own both an FD (R1) and an EG w/ a 1.95L (*84.5 mm bore) B18C1 (R-head yadda yadda) and while the Civic will never quite have the same overall balance as the FD (fact of life, the Civic is FWD and not 50/50) it is still quite a capable little car - enjoyable for road racing just like any other half-decent tuned/modified car. The FD is in another level, but the EG is a classic solid platform that deserves the respect without all the negative riceboy baggage associated with it. People have been modifying Civics since the dawn of time. Back when all they had were SB1 Civics (the hatchbacks from 70s/early 80s) people were dropping in Accord CVCC 1.8L swapped motors w/ JR race cams/webers/etc. and ending up with quite fast little hatches. It wasn't until around '93 and onwards or so that people started up the stupidity of doing pointless mods to Civics, Integras, etc. Civics just happened to end up as the car to use and unfortunately received a future bad rep as a result. The platform itself is STILL a solid platform regardless of what the latest trend is.
*math: 3.14 * ((84.5 / 2)^2) * 87.2 * 4 / 1000) = 1955.05 cc
*math: 3.14 * ((84.5 / 2)^2) * 87.2 * 4 / 1000) = 1955.05 cc
07-22-2006, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
the chassis of the RX-8 is much better than the chassis of the FD rx-7. it has a much higher torsional rigidity(nearly twice as much) and bending stiffness. and it has alower polar inertial moment.The engine is mounted 2.4-inch further rearward and 1.6-inch lower than in the RX-7. All the main masses – engine, six speed manual transmission and fuel tank – are located within the wheelbase, which is ideal for quick steering response.
07-22-2006, 11:30 PM
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you are just wrong. sorry. 2x the torsional rigidity and stiffness plus the ability to put the engine father back and lower = better chassis. the same thing that make it a better chasis than found in its current competitors.
you are under the impression that myself or the other fellow said an rx-8 could beat an FD in a race. and because of that misunderstanding you feel the need to be hostile. all he said and i said is that by any standard of chassis design the rx-8 chassis is superior. if you want to debate that on its merits with facts that is fine. if you wish to continue with the hostility, i can put on my admin hat.
you are under the impression that myself or the other fellow said an rx-8 could beat an FD in a race. and because of that misunderstanding you feel the need to be hostile. all he said and i said is that by any standard of chassis design the rx-8 chassis is superior. if you want to debate that on its merits with facts that is fine. if you wish to continue with the hostility, i can put on my admin hat.
07-22-2006, 11:50 PM
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The other fellow was mentioning how due to superior chassis design, RX-8s are turning in better times in SCCA AX BS vs FDs in SS - ignoring the fact that there are way less FDs in AX these days than there used to be (part of it having to do with that whole C5 vs FD classification issue and overall SCCA issues). 2x torsional rigidity is great, if a bit hard to believe due to the similar chassis designs in the first place. But do you think I'm going to read heavily into that figure from a quasi-tech automag that doesn't even reference the figures? It's the same car and driver nonsense just with a bit more details. They mention x lower or y further back - but neither clarify if that is measured from the axle or measured from the front of the car. Let's say it's measured from the front axle and keep things even - if so, that's great. Mazda is improving things and we should all be glad for that. But throw a sedan unibody on that with over 3 inches overall more height and dimensions that go against lower PMI and you end up negating what little chassis PMI gains were made in the first place - not to mention that this steel body is part of the most outwards section of the car which we know is about the worst thing for PMI.
07-24-2006, 08:31 AM
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Just dropping my 0.2 cents...the old civic hatches (pre macpherson strut bullshit), are one of the best modding platforms ever built.
The car's are extremely light, swapping engines is like changing airfilters on other cars, and the aftermarket is beyond rediculous.
If you ever attend HPDE's, you'll generally see civics annoying the crap outta cars in the 6 figure range. It's nearly impossible to beat a properly setup civic...especially from a cost perspective. You'll spend more on an catback for an rx8 then you will replacing almost the entire suspension on a civic...
Not to mention that civics run 14/15 wheels, so their tires are crazy inexpensive compared with all the stupidity of giant wheels lately...Pretty much the best track car ever.
Basically, swap in a prelude (H23??)engine, gut the car, and depending on the year, you're looking at 200 whp @ 2200 lbs with a double wishbone F/R suspension.
The car's are extremely light, swapping engines is like changing airfilters on other cars, and the aftermarket is beyond rediculous.
If you ever attend HPDE's, you'll generally see civics annoying the crap outta cars in the 6 figure range. It's nearly impossible to beat a properly setup civic...especially from a cost perspective. You'll spend more on an catback for an rx8 then you will replacing almost the entire suspension on a civic...
Not to mention that civics run 14/15 wheels, so their tires are crazy inexpensive compared with all the stupidity of giant wheels lately...Pretty much the best track car ever.
Basically, swap in a prelude (H23??)engine, gut the car, and depending on the year, you're looking at 200 whp @ 2200 lbs with a double wishbone F/R suspension.
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07-25-2006, 07:11 PM
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Any EF, EG, or EK Civic is a good platform. Heck, any EK (1996-2000) and previous Civic will work fine for a track car - they all combine small weight and solid design.
07-25-2006, 08:21 PM
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Someone needs to put a Renesis in a FD and track them side by side. *Maybe* we could discern chassis benefits at that point?
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