Blew up another manifold!
02-03-2009, 02:34 AM
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so much for the poser comments, they cant even get phils car to run right!!!
thats what probably got me skeptical about you guys.... all the time you guys had with phils car and never running right and im not just talking about during the rebuild..
thats what probably got me skeptical about you guys.... all the time you guys had with phils car and never running right and im not just talking about during the rebuild..
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02-03-2009, 02:40 AM
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I zoom therefore I am.
I'm guessing mike has lost a ton of money in stocks/real estate/whatever and is taking out his frustration here. Or he's just an attention *****. One of the two.
02-03-2009, 02:46 AM
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02-03-2009, 02:50 AM
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Mike's simply trying to comment on stuff he knows nothing about. It's as simple as that. I'm more than willing to have a technical discussion about any of the projects that BHR has and is involved in.
The fact that Mike feels he has a grasp of the situation while having not been involved in anything he's commenting on, nor does he have any first had information other than what "somebody told him" he's just making it up as he goes.
Mike, you can be skeptical all you want. Do it in your own thread. Hell, go ahead and make a "calling out BHR" thread and post your points. Otherwise, stop thread crapping.
The fact that Mike feels he has a grasp of the situation while having not been involved in anything he's commenting on, nor does he have any first had information other than what "somebody told him" he's just making it up as he goes.
Mike, you can be skeptical all you want. Do it in your own thread. Hell, go ahead and make a "calling out BHR" thread and post your points. Otherwise, stop thread crapping.
02-03-2009, 02:58 AM
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Mike's simply trying to comment on stuff he knows nothing about. It's as simple as that. I'm more than willing to have a technical discussion about any of the projects that BHR has and is involved in.
The fact that Mike feels he has a grasp of the situation while having not been involved in anything he's commenting on, nor does he have any first had information other than what "somebody told him" he's just making it up as he goes.
Mike, you can be skeptical all you want. Do it in your own thread. Hell, go ahead and make a "calling out BHR" thread and post your points. Otherwise, stop thread crapping.
The fact that Mike feels he has a grasp of the situation while having not been involved in anything he's commenting on, nor does he have any first had information other than what "somebody told him" he's just making it up as he goes.
Mike, you can be skeptical all you want. Do it in your own thread. Hell, go ahead and make a "calling out BHR" thread and post your points. Otherwise, stop thread crapping.
ok so your saying that i have never been involved in anything im commenting on????? and where are you getting your info from you need to check your people????? you thought you know but you dont, if anything you dont even know what your talking about the misinformation your sayin bout me. information that somebody told me please........making it up as i go......... dude what are you smokin????? pass that good cush!!!!!
02-03-2009, 03:00 AM
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dude i wouldnt even let them touch my car!!!!
ok so your saying that i have never been involved in anything im commenting on????? and where are you getting your info from you need to check your people????? you thought you know but you dont, if anything you dont even know what your talking about the misinformation your sayin bout me. information that somebody told me please........making it up as i go......... dude what are you smokin????? pass that good cush!!!!!
ok so your saying that i have never been involved in anything im commenting on????? and where are you getting your info from you need to check your people????? you thought you know but you dont, if anything you dont even know what your talking about the misinformation your sayin bout me. information that somebody told me please........making it up as i go......... dude what are you smokin????? pass that good cush!!!!!
02-03-2009, 03:01 AM
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02-03-2009, 03:02 AM
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02-03-2009, 03:09 AM
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It shows.
Oh the typical "if you only knew what I knew" bit huh? Weak sause.
You don't know me? Wow, I thought I was famous!
You don't know me? Wow, I thought I was famous!
02-03-2009, 03:12 AM
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02-03-2009, 03:17 AM
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Todd, i'm surprised you're still wasting time with this guy.
This manifold discussion is interesting, even if i'm not a nitrous user what would the path to follow be so to avoid the problem on both A\T and M\T cars?
Please simply ignore this guy, 2 pages of discussion vs 3 of offtopic... get back on track!
This manifold discussion is interesting, even if i'm not a nitrous user what would the path to follow be so to avoid the problem on both A\T and M\T cars?
Please simply ignore this guy, 2 pages of discussion vs 3 of offtopic... get back on track!
02-03-2009, 03:26 AM
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Todd, i'm surprised you're still wasting time with this guy.
This manifold discussion is interesting, even if i'm not a nitrous user what would the path to follow be so to avoid the problem on both A\T and M\T cars?
Please simply ignore this guy, 2 pages of discussion vs 3 of offtopic... get back on track!
This manifold discussion is interesting, even if i'm not a nitrous user what would the path to follow be so to avoid the problem on both A\T and M\T cars?
Please simply ignore this guy, 2 pages of discussion vs 3 of offtopic... get back on track!
As for the manifold situation...
There bottom line is some power adders are better suited for one transmission type over another. One discussion we've been having is how great a turbo setup is in an automatic because of the quick rise in manifold pressure at low RPM's which the auto usually runs at.
On the other hand, Nitrous requires more intake airflow and thus higher RPM's to be within a safe operating range.
Technically, having a zero overlap engine design would mean an nitrous backfire would be impossible or at least highly unlikely. Maybe a hot seal comes by with enough energy to ignite the fuel. Either way, the low RPMS and lower airflow allow fuel to puddle in the intake and BOOM.
For the most part, Erick was doing the same thing both times the manifold blew. Both times it was from either a dead stop or at least a slow roll. He goes WOT and the car takes off but at 2,500ish RPMS. The excess fuel starts to collect and then whamo.
Only real safe method of using Nitrous in the RX8 auto...or at least the 4 speed auto would be to get a start and then arm the Nitrous system once you get past a safe RPM.
02-03-2009, 03:29 AM
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Ha, I get carried away. For whatever reason several Vegas people have a problem with anybody involved with BHR.
As for the manifold situation...
There bottom line is some power adders are better suited for one transmission type over another. One discussion we've been having is how great a turbo setup is in an automatic because of the quick rise in manifold pressure at low RPM's which the auto usually runs at.
On the other hand, Nitrous requires more intake airflow and thus higher RPM's to be within a safe operating range.
Technically, having a zero overlap engine design would mean an nitrous backfire would be impossible or at least highly unlikely. The theory is a hot seal comes by with enough energy to ignite the fuel. Either way, the low RPMS and lower airflow allow fuel to puddle in the intake and BOOM.
For the most part, Erick was doing the same thing both times the manifold blew. Both times it was from either a dead stop or at least a slow roll. He goes WOT and the car takes off but at 2,500ish RPMS. The excess fuel starts to collect and then whamo.
Only real safe method of using Nitrous in the RX8 auto...or at least the 4 speed auto would be to get a start and then arm the Nitrous system once you get past a safe RPM.
As for the manifold situation...
There bottom line is some power adders are better suited for one transmission type over another. One discussion we've been having is how great a turbo setup is in an automatic because of the quick rise in manifold pressure at low RPM's which the auto usually runs at.
On the other hand, Nitrous requires more intake airflow and thus higher RPM's to be within a safe operating range.
Technically, having a zero overlap engine design would mean an nitrous backfire would be impossible or at least highly unlikely. The theory is a hot seal comes by with enough energy to ignite the fuel. Either way, the low RPMS and lower airflow allow fuel to puddle in the intake and BOOM.
For the most part, Erick was doing the same thing both times the manifold blew. Both times it was from either a dead stop or at least a slow roll. He goes WOT and the car takes off but at 2,500ish RPMS. The excess fuel starts to collect and then whamo.
Only real safe method of using Nitrous in the RX8 auto...or at least the 4 speed auto would be to get a start and then arm the Nitrous system once you get past a safe RPM.
so......someones gotta say something.
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02-03-2009, 03:33 AM
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Thank you Todd, i thought something similar so i'm now a bit more fond of my ideas.
Is there a way to possibly solve the problem mechanically and not by simply changing the rpms where you arm the switch?
Is there a way to possibly solve the problem mechanically and not by simply changing the rpms where you arm the switch?
02-03-2009, 03:37 AM
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In case you missed the banner in my sig, when you deal with me you're dealing with bhr...it's one of the same.
I've got nothing against Vegas people. I met a lot of you all in August when I was there with Charles Hill and Jeff Abrams. I was dissapointed that nobody except Phil showed up for the Mountain run but I guess we weren't cool enough to hang out with.
I stopped being civil to you and your friends when you stopped being civil with me.
The other option, and probably more realistic for the RX8 is a two stage system. You have the first stage which would spray maybe 50% to get you off the line and then go 100% when you hit stage 2. In the case of Zex I don't know if the stages are seperated by time, RPM, or some other factor.
The most obvious idea would be going to a stronger manifold but then you risk blowing apart the throttle body or whatever the next weakest part of the motor.
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02-03-2009, 03:41 AM
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Ha, the whole thing started with your pal Vegaz bashing on BHR products remember?
In case you missed the banner in my sig, when you deal with me you're dealing with bhr...it's one of the same.
I've got nothing against Vegas people. I met a lot of you all in August when I was there with Charles Hill and Jeff Abrams. I was dissapointed that nobody showed up for the Mountain run but I guess we weren't cool enough to hang out with.
I stopped being civil to you and your friends when you stopped being civil with me.
In case you missed the banner in my sig, when you deal with me you're dealing with bhr...it's one of the same.
I've got nothing against Vegas people. I met a lot of you all in August when I was there with Charles Hill and Jeff Abrams. I was dissapointed that nobody showed up for the Mountain run but I guess we weren't cool enough to hang out with.
I stopped being civil to you and your friends when you stopped being civil with me.
i never bashed bhr products... i was just looking into see if they really work...how is asking for a dyno bashing?????
02-03-2009, 03:53 AM
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I assume your talking about the BHR coils? Do they work? Well first let's talk about your defination of "work" because I feel I know what you're after.
If what you're asking is...do these coils provide increased spark over the OEM coils while also providing enough ignition capability to support forced induction platforms then yes they do work.
If you're simply asking do these coils provide a power increase, my answer to you at the moment is I honestly don't know. If you ask any of the 30+ customers so far who have these coils they have all said they felt a power increase. Whether it's from the replacement of bad coils or plugs or simply cause the coils increased the amount of fuel burnt is unknown.
Jedi's car was supposed to be the test subject. We worked out a controlled situation which we couldn't do, or expect from our normal customers.
We hooked jedi up with the coils and a fresh set of spark plugs. The plugs were installed prior to the dyno day. We took a baseline of his car with the oem plugs and the MSD wires BHR provides. After tuning his car yielded 202whp.
Then, we moved his car off the dyno, let the motor cool, and then I installed the BHR ignition kit in place of his oem coils. We put him back on the same dyno and performed another run. The first run we could clearly hear misfires.
So, we pulled out the timing light and found both leading coils were firing but the two trailing coils were not. We removed the wires, coils and other parts and tested them. The wires tested good but there was some kind of problem with 2 of the 4 coils.
As Jedi has posted, the coils were replaced under warranty and Jedi should have them installed soon.
We have a local Mazda dyno day at the end of February that, unless something changes, we're going to attempt to get a dyno run made then.
The only reason the dyno sheet hasn't been posted, to my understanding, is nothing can be learned from it. It's pointless to post a sheet when the part wasn't working correctly.
So, that's it.