"Mazda expects to recall RX-8s"
08-21-2006, 02:17 PM
#101
Originally Posted by zoom44
fred- they havent done anything previously to address this issue. also they are not blaming a synthetic oil for this issue- the point is that some synthetic oils have been shown to be a contributing factor. they dont cause the problem but can exacerbate the situation. that pic in the european bulletin is from a US engine. they cant come out and say "dont use Brand X" because then they would get drawn in to a protracted legal battle with Brand X.
the remans are definetly a concern. because if its oil flow due to a casting issue then obviously that wont fix it.
the remans are definetly a concern. because if its oil flow due to a casting issue then obviously that wont fix it.
08-21-2006, 02:23 PM
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no - if the engine fails fo rthis issue they will replace them - period
2nd post this page https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-tech-garage-22/new-tsb-mazda-australia-says-mineral-oils-only-96514/page3/
2nd post this page https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-tech-garage-22/new-tsb-mazda-australia-says-mineral-oils-only-96514/page3/
08-21-2006, 02:24 PM
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i just went down to my dealer to have my tail light replaced due to condensation. He told me that ALL 04 to spring 06 models will have a new motor regardless of a vacuum issue. Even if you already had your motor replaced in the past. He says its related to oil and power loss problems. He said i will get a notice in the mail and to come right in to schedule an appointment for a new motor. Time to slam it to 9k RPM like its going out of style. Awesome!
08-21-2006, 02:24 PM
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I supposedly got the new flash when I had my car in to the dealer last month. I've noticed my car is using LESS oil than before. Shouldn't it be using more? I haven't had to add any oil in 2500 miles. They did overfill it, as usual, but I typically have to add some oil by now. It wasn't a concern to me until I read this thread. My engine has been just fine and now has 62,500 miles on it.
08-21-2006, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MX6_2_RX8
That's my point. If the motors test good when the car is brought in for the recall they won't be replaced even if they are bad. A few years down the road the engine could fail because of this issue.
I don't blame you for being concerned, though.
08-21-2006, 02:27 PM
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what is a piston- slamming it wouldnt hurt the engine- you want anew engine? go sit in traffic with only one oil cooler for several hours every day for a week when the air temp is over 100 and the temp being read at the road surface is over 200.
08-21-2006, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by whatisapiston
i just went down to my dealer to have my tail light replaced due to condensation. He told me that ALL 04 to spring 06 models will have a new motor regardless of a vacuum issue. Even if you already had your motor replaced in the past. He says its related to oil and power loss problems. He said i will get a notice in the mail and to come right in to schedule an appointment for a new motor. Time to slam it to 9k RPM like its going out of style. Awesome!
As for Mazda giving everyone new engines, I doubt it.
Personally, I don't want a new motor and am happy with the one I have.
08-21-2006, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Devil
I'm with RG on not wanting a remanufactured engine. If I'm getting a new engine, I actually want it to be new.
As for Mazda giving everyone new engines, I doubt it.
Personally, I don't want a new motor and am happy with the one I have.
As for Mazda giving everyone new engines, I doubt it.
Personally, I don't want a new motor and am happy with the one I have.
08-21-2006, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by whatisapiston
i just went down to my dealer to have my tail light replaced due to condensation. He told me that ALL 04 to spring 06 models will have a new motor regardless of a vacuum issue. Even if you already had your motor replaced in the past. He says its related to oil and power loss problems. He said i will get a notice in the mail and to come right in to schedule an appointment for a new motor. Time to slam it to 9k RPM like its going out of style. Awesome!
08-21-2006, 02:31 PM
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this sucks....so they recall the ones that dont pass now and if 2-5 years down the road since they checked before yours dont count if it blows up?.....this should be an all or nothing....
08-21-2006, 02:33 PM
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Will the new engines come with a new warranty on the engine? Not that it matters to me I guess, because I'm out of warranty, but what about people that are still in warranty.
Also, what if you get a new one, then the engine fails again for the same issue. Will they replace that one also.....what about again after that?
Also, what if you get a new one, then the engine fails again for the same issue. Will they replace that one also.....what about again after that?
08-21-2006, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Devil
I'm with RG on not wanting a remanufactured engine. If I'm getting a new engine, I actually want it to be new.
As for Mazda giving everyone new engines, I doubt it.
Personally, I don't want a new motor and am happy with the one I have.
As for Mazda giving everyone new engines, I doubt it.
Personally, I don't want a new motor and am happy with the one I have.
08-21-2006, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by chrism
this sucks....so they recall the ones that dont pass now and if 2-5 years down the road since they checked before yours dont count if it blows up?.....this should be an all or nothing....
Are you going to the exotic show this weekend in NH?
08-21-2006, 02:37 PM
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well thanks....and i wish i could go but its my anniversary weekend and wifey wont go for a road trip/ car show as a gift.....no matter how hard i tried for it.....but hey at least now ill have a new motor for my new trans....they should throw in a set of tires for my trouble!
08-21-2006, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Devil
I'm with RG on not wanting a remanufactured engine. If I'm getting a new engine, I actually want it to be new.
As for Mazda giving everyone new engines, I doubt it.
Personally, I don't want a new motor and am happy with the one I have.
As for Mazda giving everyone new engines, I doubt it.
Personally, I don't want a new motor and am happy with the one I have.
Long story short, the dealer said I would need my engine replaced for the problem I was having. The car was 7 months old (from its build date) and 6 months old (from when I got it) and had 10500 miles on it.
I asked if I would get a NEW engine, and specificaly said "Not a rebuilt or remanufactured....but NEW" The dealer told me it was coming in overnight from Japan. This sounded strange to me so I called Mazda NAO and asked the same thing, and said what the dealer told me. They again said "You will be getting a NEW engine, not a remanufactured or rebuilt motor...but NEW"
When I went to pick up the car at the end of the week...what do you know....the invoice said "Rebuilt"....I asked the dealer what was up and they said that they were told it was a new motor by Mazda NAO, so I called MNAO and asked what happened....they were told by someone above them it was going to be new......and after a few days of going up the ladder....it appears that everyone has someone above them to blame. I filed a compaint with the dealer and NAO about the issue, but never got a letter or a call or anything saying sorry.
08-21-2006, 02:41 PM
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Why would you not want a new motor? Especially the people who are getting near 70k miles. Regardless if its a new motor or not, if there is a problem with it, they are obligated to fix it. So whats the big deal? And for the people who have turbos, doesnt installing an induction system totally void all warranty work related to the motor? Figured a recall was for warranted cars but i dunno.
08-21-2006, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by MadRonin
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as a recall this would cover all cars between the years listed, regardless of current warranty standing, right? I ask because my 8 has nearly 55,000 miles on it and I've been having engine problems lately. I've got an appointment to take it in for a compression test next week, but I wasn't looking forward to hearing that I needed a new engine on my dime.
It kinda irks me. My FC had 180k miles on the original engine when I sold it and the only thing wrong with it was it needed a new exhaust (for the third time). My '04 has less than 60k and it may need a new engine and tranny soon.
It kinda irks me. My FC had 180k miles on the original engine when I sold it and the only thing wrong with it was it needed a new exhaust (for the third time). My '04 has less than 60k and it may need a new engine and tranny soon.
Zoom - I think what mx6 is saying is more along the lines of - "what if my engine passes but is well on it's way to death?"
hope I didn't repeat something already posted in the last 2 minutes of typing.
08-21-2006, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by KYLiquid
My car was made in April of 05, I got it in May of 05 (1 month old, 1 mile on the clock). I followed the recomended break-in process to the letter! I got my first oil change done at 3k miles at the dealer. I changed it every 3000-3500 miles since then with Castrol GTX 5w20.
Long story short, the dealer said I would need my engine replaced for the problem I was having. The car was 7 months old (from its build date) and 6 months old (from when I got it) and had 10500 miles on it.
I asked if I would get a NEW engine, and specificaly said "Not a rebuilt or remanufactured....but NEW" The dealer told me it was coming in overnight from Japan. This sounded strange to me so I called Mazda NAO and asked the same thing, and said what the dealer told me. They again said "You will be getting a NEW engine, not a remanufactured or rebuilt motor...but NEW"
When I went to pick up the car at the end of the week...what do you know....the invoice said "Rebuilt"....I asked the dealer what was up and they said that they were told it was a new motor by Mazda NAO, so I called MNAO and asked what happened....they were told by someone above them it was going to be new......and after a few days of going up the ladder....it appears that everyone has someone above them to blame. I filed a compaint with the dealer and NAO about the issue, but never got a letter or a call or anything saying sorry.
Long story short, the dealer said I would need my engine replaced for the problem I was having. The car was 7 months old (from its build date) and 6 months old (from when I got it) and had 10500 miles on it.
I asked if I would get a NEW engine, and specificaly said "Not a rebuilt or remanufactured....but NEW" The dealer told me it was coming in overnight from Japan. This sounded strange to me so I called Mazda NAO and asked the same thing, and said what the dealer told me. They again said "You will be getting a NEW engine, not a remanufactured or rebuilt motor...but NEW"
When I went to pick up the car at the end of the week...what do you know....the invoice said "Rebuilt"....I asked the dealer what was up and they said that they were told it was a new motor by Mazda NAO, so I called MNAO and asked what happened....they were told by someone above them it was going to be new......and after a few days of going up the ladder....it appears that everyone has someone above them to blame. I filed a compaint with the dealer and NAO about the issue, but never got a letter or a call or anything saying sorry.
08-21-2006, 02:44 PM
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*sigh*
so MT at risk, and if so, how much?
So are hard-driven MT cars at risk? I don't use synth, just dino-juice*
If mine fails, I'll *really* raise a stink if the replacement motor comes from the US. Part of the deal was I gave 30+K sheckles to Mazda in exchange for a car built in Hiroshima, with an engine built in Hiroshima... not Detroit. If I wanted that, I'd drive a GM or Ford.
I hope mine passess. I like my little hiroshima rocket just fine the way it is, don't want some 2nd-rate reman motor.. least of all one built here.
To Mazda Japan (and MNAO): I think y'all should handle this very, very carefully. Like a loaded firearm, actually. If it goes off it could kill Mazda.. again.. like the FD did, and the Rx-2 / 3 / 4 before it. I like your cars, but y'all are making me just a touch nervous about the longevity of this powerplant. I drive mine hard, but still... that doubt..
* Dino-juice is a ephemism of mine.. no one has convinced me that it comes form rotting old forests and rotting old dinosaurs.. no one has convinced me it is fossil and finite.
so MT at risk, and if so, how much?
So are hard-driven MT cars at risk? I don't use synth, just dino-juice*
If mine fails, I'll *really* raise a stink if the replacement motor comes from the US. Part of the deal was I gave 30+K sheckles to Mazda in exchange for a car built in Hiroshima, with an engine built in Hiroshima... not Detroit. If I wanted that, I'd drive a GM or Ford.
I hope mine passess. I like my little hiroshima rocket just fine the way it is, don't want some 2nd-rate reman motor.. least of all one built here.
To Mazda Japan (and MNAO): I think y'all should handle this very, very carefully. Like a loaded firearm, actually. If it goes off it could kill Mazda.. again.. like the FD did, and the Rx-2 / 3 / 4 before it. I like your cars, but y'all are making me just a touch nervous about the longevity of this powerplant. I drive mine hard, but still... that doubt..
* Dino-juice is a ephemism of mine.. no one has convinced me that it comes form rotting old forests and rotting old dinosaurs.. no one has convinced me it is fossil and finite.
