best motoring vol. 7: rx8 vs g35 vs s2000 vs wrx vs rsx
06-12-2003, 11:40 PM
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Sigh, I am about to give up on ripping this tape. The native protection of the VHS can only be defeated on special modified VHS. If any of you guys are in NJ or SoCal, see if you can rent a DVD copy or a 'copied' VHS tape. Most Japanese video stores know how to rip these videos. Until then, I am going to wait for the VCD to come out and work on a definitive translation. Hopefully some techno savvy people on the forum can help subbing it.
I apologize if I sounded too G35C biased. Can't really blame me though
, it's an amazing car. The BM staff really liked the RX-8, and I think Mazda did the right thing making the car 'slightly soft.' Afterall, comfort and convinience sell cars, not extreme track performance. Look at the GT-R, it's a Japanese legend, performs like exotics, but it didn't sell well. Anyone who's buying the RX-8 as a daily car would appreciate the more compliant ride and its 4 seated 4 door convinience. (as BM staff indicated) For those wanting more performance, there is always Mazda speed and other tuning companies to beef things up. I think you guys will enjoy this video regardless of the outcomes of the race. Like Herc and others said, the fun to drive factor of the RX is undeniable, and handling and performance are both very impressive consider the overall package and price.
I apologize for not being able to rip the video with any sort of good quality. If anyone wants some clips, LMK and I can maybe upload some webcam grabs with low resolution.
I apologize if I sounded too G35C biased. Can't really blame me though
, it's an amazing car. The BM staff really liked the RX-8, and I think Mazda did the right thing making the car 'slightly soft.' Afterall, comfort and convinience sell cars, not extreme track performance. Look at the GT-R, it's a Japanese legend, performs like exotics, but it didn't sell well. Anyone who's buying the RX-8 as a daily car would appreciate the more compliant ride and its 4 seated 4 door convinience. (as BM staff indicated) For those wanting more performance, there is always Mazda speed and other tuning companies to beef things up. I think you guys will enjoy this video regardless of the outcomes of the race. Like Herc and others said, the fun to drive factor of the RX is undeniable, and handling and performance are both very impressive consider the overall package and price. I apologize for not being able to rip the video with any sort of good quality. If anyone wants some clips, LMK and I can maybe upload some webcam grabs with low resolution.
06-13-2003, 12:25 AM
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Hey Skyline.. does Best Motoring come in DVD format? I have the July on hold that is coming in on Monday but it's VHS. Arg! I would hate to have to break out my VHS player. I would prefer DVD format if available. I cheked the site and only certain ones are DVD. Please inform me thanks. 
06-13-2003, 12:57 AM
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I think Best Motoring is mostly on VHS, but the HK version of Best Motoring are released in DVD format. DVD format would be much easier to rip and yield higher quality. Not to mention the HK DVD versions are actually cheaper in most cases.
06-13-2003, 05:03 AM
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Skyline,
What problems are you having "ripping" the tape? I assume you mean digitizing the video and compressing it, right? What type of video capture system are you using? I can probably help if you give me some specifics. I have several original Best Motoring tapes and none have Macrovision encoded in them. Even so, VHS protection can be easily defeated with practically any cheap signal filter. Since most capture boards do not have an auto-gain, Macrovision shouldn't have any effect, regardless.
AFAIK, specials edition videos are now available on DVD, but not the monthly editions (at least not yet). Zigzag Asia is doing the official English versions of the Best Motoring videos (even Amazon carries them now), but unfortunately they are not entirely up to date, nor cover all the monthly video magazines.
Most HK discs of the BM tapes are just copies of the VHS tapes, compressed to MPEG-1 or 2 (read: bootleg). The quality isn't any better than the original source.
What problems are you having "ripping" the tape? I assume you mean digitizing the video and compressing it, right? What type of video capture system are you using? I can probably help if you give me some specifics. I have several original Best Motoring tapes and none have Macrovision encoded in them. Even so, VHS protection can be easily defeated with practically any cheap signal filter. Since most capture boards do not have an auto-gain, Macrovision shouldn't have any effect, regardless.
AFAIK, specials edition videos are now available on DVD, but not the monthly editions (at least not yet). Zigzag Asia is doing the official English versions of the Best Motoring videos (even Amazon carries them now), but unfortunately they are not entirely up to date, nor cover all the monthly video magazines.
Most HK discs of the BM tapes are just copies of the VHS tapes, compressed to MPEG-1 or 2 (read: bootleg). The quality isn't any better than the original source.
06-13-2003, 12:09 PM
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Well, I don't have a video PC card (Laptop here) so I was attempting to rip it with a digital camcorder through firewire connection. Using the VHS as source, Camcorder as digital converter and then transfer the video to computer via firewire. The problem is, I can watch the video through the camcroder, but the copy protection prevents any data from being streamed through the VHS. This is rather irritating. I attempted to copy the VHS to another VHS, but that didn't work either.
Any suggestions?
Any suggestions?
06-13-2003, 03:23 PM
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Skyline,
Have you been able to verify this setup works with a non-copy-protected tape? Make sure you have DV-OUT enabled under VTR settings on the camcorder. Stupid question, but your camcorder does support analog in, right?
Maybe there is Macrovision on that tape after all. In that case, most consumer camcorders will disable DV-OUT upon detection. This unit is pretty popular for stripping out the protection signal (hooks between tape deck and camcorder):
http://www.videoguys.com/sima.htm#sedcm
There are lots of no-name boxes that may be more effective, prices vary quite a bit (search google for 'Macrovision decoder').
I'm not sure I'd invest in these boxes just for one video. But if you plan on more VHS dubs or using your camcorder to digitized in the future, maybe it's worth it (they're still a lot less than a dedicated capture board). I use a Pinnacle DV-500+, and the built-in TBC eliminates the anomalous signals during capture, so it'll take anything.
Have you been able to verify this setup works with a non-copy-protected tape? Make sure you have DV-OUT enabled under VTR settings on the camcorder. Stupid question, but your camcorder does support analog in, right?
Maybe there is Macrovision on that tape after all. In that case, most consumer camcorders will disable DV-OUT upon detection. This unit is pretty popular for stripping out the protection signal (hooks between tape deck and camcorder):
http://www.videoguys.com/sima.htm#sedcm
There are lots of no-name boxes that may be more effective, prices vary quite a bit (search google for 'Macrovision decoder').
I'm not sure I'd invest in these boxes just for one video. But if you plan on more VHS dubs or using your camcorder to digitized in the future, maybe it's worth it (they're still a lot less than a dedicated capture board). I use a Pinnacle DV-500+, and the built-in TBC eliminates the anomalous signals during capture, so it'll take anything.
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Yeah, I can digitalize all my other video tapes, just not the Best Motoring originals and some other Japanese tapes I bought in the past. I am pretty sure it's the protection mechanism. I can't even watch the video tape when I serial link 2 VCR's together. I have always known there was something on Japanese tapes, but I didn't know they were Macrovision encodings.
I tried to 'borrow' a Pinnicle Firewire video editing box, but my local electronic stores all have the dreaded 15% restocking fee on the damn thing. (which comes out to around $30) Not really worth it.
I suppose I can send my tape to a friend in California who has some knowledge in ripping this, but it would take another 3-4 days in transit. By the time you'd probably receive your copy already. Sigh, I should have just sent the tape out to someone last week instead of trying to DIY the rip.
I tried to 'borrow' a Pinnicle Firewire video editing box, but my local electronic stores all have the dreaded 15% restocking fee on the damn thing. (which comes out to around $30) Not really worth it.
I suppose I can send my tape to a friend in California who has some knowledge in ripping this, but it would take another 3-4 days in transit. By the time you'd probably receive your copy already. Sigh, I should have just sent the tape out to someone last week instead of trying to DIY the rip.
06-13-2003, 06:57 PM
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This BM video results really had me confused, especially given all the other glowing reviews of the RX-8 in the major US car mags.
In the Car&Driver comparison, the G35c & RX-8 had virtually identical track times at the Streets of Willows Raceway (1:20.51 & 1:20.61) when driven by the same driver. So I asked myself, "how could the RX-8 do so poorly at Tsukuba"? Then as this thread developed, things have now become more clear:
- S2000 being driven by the best driver of the bunch
- G35c & RSX were of a higher tuned spec, not your normal US variant
- RX-8's times at Tsukuba seem to be in same ball park as Gan-san's original 4 lap "getting to know the car" spin from a previous BM video. Perhaps an indication that the driver wasn't pushing the RX-8 at 10/10th's in the track shoot out.
Things that make you say hmmmmm...
In the Car&Driver comparison, the G35c & RX-8 had virtually identical track times at the Streets of Willows Raceway (1:20.51 & 1:20.61) when driven by the same driver. So I asked myself, "how could the RX-8 do so poorly at Tsukuba"? Then as this thread developed, things have now become more clear:
- S2000 being driven by the best driver of the bunch
- G35c & RSX were of a higher tuned spec, not your normal US variant
- RX-8's times at Tsukuba seem to be in same ball park as Gan-san's original 4 lap "getting to know the car" spin from a previous BM video. Perhaps an indication that the driver wasn't pushing the RX-8 at 10/10th's in the track shoot out.
Things that make you say hmmmmm...
06-13-2003, 07:55 PM
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Here are somw low res rips for now. I'll work on a better rip, or Gamera will probably get the better rip by next week.
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4289934725
btw: in response to RX-Hachi,
July:
1. S2000 driver = Gan-san (S2k was the best track car here, period)
2. RX-8 driver = Takuta
5. Skyline Coupe driver = Nakaya
May:
1. M3 driver = Nakaya (barely beat G35C on last straight)
2. Skyline Coupe driver = Takuya
3. 350Z driver = Gan-san (lost to his son in a G35C)
Like may have said and I will echo one last time: BM drivers are pros, and they are as competitive as anyone in the motor sport.
2) Skyline coupe = G35C higher spec? I don't think so~ The US G35C and JDM Skyline Coupe are identical, with the exception of the location of the steering wheel, material of leather inserts (leather vs suede), badging and US G35C gets better tires than the Skyline Coupe. (Michelin Pilot Sport vs Potenza RE040) I'll give you this, the Skyline Coupe had lighter weight wheels found on the US 350Z Track models.
3) Perhaps RX-8 time could get better. Like I mentioned before, no one has gotten less than 1'11 with the RX-8 on Tsukuba. Not Option, not Mazda drivers, not Best Motoring (multiple drivers), and no other publication to date. The G35C has been in the 1'09 range since day one, and both Integra R, S2000 and WRX have posted better times on Tsukuba before.
The point is not to dismiss the RX-8 as a track car. The RX-8 is a very fun yet still practical car to drive at a very reasonable cost. There is no reason why the 1'11 time should be frawn upon. When was the last time a $24k sedan has posted that kind of time on Tsukuba?
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4289934725
btw: in response to RX-Hachi,
July:
1. S2000 driver = Gan-san (S2k was the best track car here, period)
2. RX-8 driver = Takuta
5. Skyline Coupe driver = Nakaya
May:
1. M3 driver = Nakaya (barely beat G35C on last straight)
2. Skyline Coupe driver = Takuya
3. 350Z driver = Gan-san (lost to his son in a G35C)
Like may have said and I will echo one last time: BM drivers are pros, and they are as competitive as anyone in the motor sport.
2) Skyline coupe = G35C higher spec? I don't think so~ The US G35C and JDM Skyline Coupe are identical, with the exception of the location of the steering wheel, material of leather inserts (leather vs suede), badging and US G35C gets better tires than the Skyline Coupe. (Michelin Pilot Sport vs Potenza RE040) I'll give you this, the Skyline Coupe had lighter weight wheels found on the US 350Z Track models.
3) Perhaps RX-8 time could get better. Like I mentioned before, no one has gotten less than 1'11 with the RX-8 on Tsukuba. Not Option, not Mazda drivers, not Best Motoring (multiple drivers), and no other publication to date. The G35C has been in the 1'09 range since day one, and both Integra R, S2000 and WRX have posted better times on Tsukuba before.
The point is not to dismiss the RX-8 as a track car. The RX-8 is a very fun yet still practical car to drive at a very reasonable cost. There is no reason why the 1'11 time should be frawn upon. When was the last time a $24k sedan has posted that kind of time on Tsukuba?
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Originally posted by Skyline Maniac
The point is not to dismiss the RX-8 as a track car. The RX-8 is a very fun yet still practical car to drive at a very reasonable cost. When was the last time a $24k sedan has posted that kind of time on Tsukuba?
The point is not to dismiss the RX-8 as a track car. The RX-8 is a very fun yet still practical car to drive at a very reasonable cost. When was the last time a $24k sedan has posted that kind of time on Tsukuba?
06-13-2003, 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by Skyline Maniac
The point is not to dismiss the RX-8 as a track car. The RX-8 is a very fun yet still practical car to drive at a very reasonable cost. There is no reason why the 1'11 time should be frawn upon. When was the last time a $24k sedan has posted that kind of time on Tsukuba?
The point is not to dismiss the RX-8 as a track car. The RX-8 is a very fun yet still practical car to drive at a very reasonable cost. There is no reason why the 1'11 time should be frawn upon. When was the last time a $24k sedan has posted that kind of time on Tsukuba?
06-13-2003, 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by javahut
Skyline... you say you're not trying to dis the RX-8, yet you don't seem able to post a message without slighting the 8. Why is it always necesarry for you to have to "prove" with your posts that your G35 is superior? Comparing the RX-8 to a sedan or calling it "practical" is not slighting it? Yeah, right, the G35 is "amazing" and the RX-8 is "practical". If you're really not trying to dis the 8, then stop making underhanded comments like the ones above. Just enjoy your ride, and let us enjoy ours.
Skyline... you say you're not trying to dis the RX-8, yet you don't seem able to post a message without slighting the 8. Why is it always necesarry for you to have to "prove" with your posts that your G35 is superior? Comparing the RX-8 to a sedan or calling it "practical" is not slighting it? Yeah, right, the G35 is "amazing" and the RX-8 is "practical". If you're really not trying to dis the 8, then stop making underhanded comments like the ones above. Just enjoy your ride, and let us enjoy ours.
Listen, the RX-8 practical - and it is. It's got 4 doors, seats 4 FULL SIZE adults, and apparently rides fairly comfortable. That's also how the car is portraited in the video. THe BM staff kept saying "For a practical car that can carry 4 full size passengers, this car is not bad." (implying the performance of the car on track) That's a QUOTE from automobile professional in Japan, not from me.
I have tried my best to avoid personal opinions in this thread, all I states was the facts as I know it. There are BM staff bashing here, rumors about how the RX-8 might not be the 250hp 6MT, the G35C might be modded, the S2000 driver is the best, BM is biased....... a lot of false info flying around. All I did was replying to those comments with facts I have. I have not deliberatedly skipping positive comments about the RX-8 or focus on its negatives. I know I'd get hammered once awhile here for speaking up about the G35C, but some of you are going overboard over this thread. I spoke up about the G35C because many posters were most interested in the comparison between the RX-8 and the G35C. I share my knowledge of the G35C since I actually have one. I'd share my thoughts of the RX-8, but I havn't driven one yet. All I got on the RX-8 is some pamphlets, magazines, reviews, and this video that no one else on the forum seems to have.
Why are some of you accusing me of bashing RX-8 when I shared this info. Understandably the results from the video did not favor the RX-8 on paper, but don't flame me for that. I got the BM video, it's about the RX-8, so I took my time, typed it out and thought some of the RX-8 fans might want to know about it. (Great info IMO) Now just watch the damn video and leave me alone.
06-13-2003, 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by takahashi
The RX8 has a lot of potential at least get pass the Integra. Just reduce the body rool with adding Mazdaspeed shocks and antiroll bar. If you add the new brakes and stuff... 1'09" No problem
The RX8 has a lot of potential at least get pass the Integra. Just reduce the body rool with adding Mazdaspeed shocks and antiroll bar. If you add the new brakes and stuff... 1'09" No problem
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Originally posted by Skyline Maniac
2) Skyline coupe = G35C higher spec? I don't think so~ The US G35C and JDM Skyline Coupe are identical, with the exception of the location of the steering wheel, material of leather inserts (leather vs suede), badging and US G35C gets better tires than the Skyline Coupe. (Michelin Pilot Sport vs Potenza RE040) I'll give you this, the Skyline Coupe had lighter weight wheels found on the US 350Z Track models.
2) Skyline coupe = G35C higher spec? I don't think so~ The US G35C and JDM Skyline Coupe are identical, with the exception of the location of the steering wheel, material of leather inserts (leather vs suede), badging and US G35C gets better tires than the Skyline Coupe. (Michelin Pilot Sport vs Potenza RE040) I'll give you this, the Skyline Coupe had lighter weight wheels found on the US 350Z Track models.
Unfortunately no, the JDM Skyline that was used in the video had standard aluminum pedals, better tires, Nismo suspension tweaking and ECU tuning that gives the same power as the 350Z. So the Skyline Coupe is like a souped up G35C. So I wonder whether or not a G35C would be able to do the same on Tsukuba given the same conditions.
so which is correct?
edit: we didn't make up this "rumor." It came from freshalloy
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06-14-2003, 12:03 AM
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:D Guess the FA guys missed the "J/k" in the end. It's a common knowledge that the G35C is better equipped than the JDM Skyline Coupe on FA forum. Besides the aluminum pedals, and suede seats (which some people prefer) the G35C is likely a better handling machine with its Pilot Sport tires.
No, there is no Nismo part in the Skyline Coupe they tested, there is no ECU tuning, there is no suspension upgrade, and Potenza RE040 tires are generally rated below Pilot Sports. I am glad they used the Potenza on the Skyline Coupe though, it gives a more fair comparison between the Skyline, 350Z, RX-8, and Integra.
No, there is no Nismo part in the Skyline Coupe they tested, there is no ECU tuning, there is no suspension upgrade, and Potenza RE040 tires are generally rated below Pilot Sports. I am glad they used the Potenza on the Skyline Coupe though, it gives a more fair comparison between the Skyline, 350Z, RX-8, and Integra.
06-14-2003, 12:47 AM
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How about the common sense thing we do here....
Just wait for a few more reviews to come out (the car is merely a month away), and I'm sure it will be tracked with the G35 and hopefully some others like the 330 and A4, who knows what else in there..
And we will see the results.
If it proves to weather like the C&D evaluation did for the most part, which would be the G35C being slightly ahead of the RX-8 around a track, then we can say BM sucks, or that the Skyline Coupe driven there was different than a US spec G35C.
However if it winds up being the latter, and that the G35C repeats the performance shown on the BM video, then you will have a good vindication.
Either way, it's just another review. Drive the car and find out for yourself if you appreciate the power, speed, and handling. Even the interior appointments, amenities, and build quality.
Skyline, here's a word to the wise, and please don't take offense -- you need to watch your wording. When you started this thread you provided a good insight on the video. Facts would have been just great. I try to do this when I'm posting articles of any kind -- just take a peek at the search in the Media section. I merely post the article up and let the discussion run its course. I would appreciate if you'd do the same.
While you may not have intended it, your review came across to me as "The RX-8 lost to the G35C in *every* category, and don't even try to question BM because they are great drivers. RX-8 buyers should REALLY take notice of this!" Every successive post has been a step in the same direction, to push the car you drive and love, to people that don't know. It's really just blatant advertising and in poor taste, imho.
In the future, I think it's better if you simply provided a copy of the video (which I know is right now not possible) and let everybody make up their own minds on it. What you have given us is a 'review of a review' and while that's not necessarily a bad thing... you know how the story goes when the 3rd man comes from over the hill to tell the same story... it's different.
Anyhoo.... while I'd love to entertain this topic further it's really quite pointless. There is no English translation, the videos provided give little insight as to what you've seen, and I am unsure about what the differences in the Japanese spec vs US spec (if any) there are. Which makes it on my part as an observer... rather pointless to partake in discussion.
Like I said... wait until the US reviews come out, read them thoroughly and we will see what happens from there. If you guys care to beat this topic to death feel free... I just have ceased to see the point in it. Lack of information and a clip of video in Japanese does not tell me a story, it merely gives me a snapshot of one part in time. And without other independant reviews to combat or agree with the consensus reached in the BM video again... this is pointless.
Cheers all.
Just wait for a few more reviews to come out (the car is merely a month away), and I'm sure it will be tracked with the G35 and hopefully some others like the 330 and A4, who knows what else in there..
And we will see the results.
If it proves to weather like the C&D evaluation did for the most part, which would be the G35C being slightly ahead of the RX-8 around a track, then we can say BM sucks, or that the Skyline Coupe driven there was different than a US spec G35C.
However if it winds up being the latter, and that the G35C repeats the performance shown on the BM video, then you will have a good vindication.
Either way, it's just another review. Drive the car and find out for yourself if you appreciate the power, speed, and handling. Even the interior appointments, amenities, and build quality.
Skyline, here's a word to the wise, and please don't take offense -- you need to watch your wording. When you started this thread you provided a good insight on the video. Facts would have been just great. I try to do this when I'm posting articles of any kind -- just take a peek at the search in the Media section. I merely post the article up and let the discussion run its course. I would appreciate if you'd do the same.
While you may not have intended it, your review came across to me as "The RX-8 lost to the G35C in *every* category, and don't even try to question BM because they are great drivers. RX-8 buyers should REALLY take notice of this!" Every successive post has been a step in the same direction, to push the car you drive and love, to people that don't know. It's really just blatant advertising and in poor taste, imho.
In the future, I think it's better if you simply provided a copy of the video (which I know is right now not possible) and let everybody make up their own minds on it. What you have given us is a 'review of a review' and while that's not necessarily a bad thing... you know how the story goes when the 3rd man comes from over the hill to tell the same story... it's different.
Anyhoo.... while I'd love to entertain this topic further it's really quite pointless. There is no English translation, the videos provided give little insight as to what you've seen, and I am unsure about what the differences in the Japanese spec vs US spec (if any) there are. Which makes it on my part as an observer... rather pointless to partake in discussion.
Like I said... wait until the US reviews come out, read them thoroughly and we will see what happens from there. If you guys care to beat this topic to death feel free... I just have ceased to see the point in it. Lack of information and a clip of video in Japanese does not tell me a story, it merely gives me a snapshot of one part in time. And without other independant reviews to combat or agree with the consensus reached in the BM video again... this is pointless.
Cheers all.
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Originally posted by Skyline Maniac
I have tried my best to avoid personal opinions in this thread, all I states was the facts as I know it. There are BM staff bashing here, rumors about how the RX-8 might not be the 250hp 6MT, the G35C might be modded, the S2000 driver is the best, BM is biased....... a lot of false info flying around.
I have tried my best to avoid personal opinions in this thread, all I states was the facts as I know it. There are BM staff bashing here, rumors about how the RX-8 might not be the 250hp 6MT, the G35C might be modded, the S2000 driver is the best, BM is biased....... a lot of false info flying around.
There you go AGAIN. Caught you again in another lie.
You state that there is "a lot of fase info flying around". The G35 was modded, ACCORDING to your own words here on the FRESH ALLOY FORUM. Here are your exact words, "CPV35SukairainKupe".
Unfortunately no, the JDM Skyline that was used in the video had standard aluminum pedals, better tires, Nismo suspension tweaking and ECU tuning that gives the same power as the 350Z. So the Skyline Coupe is like a souped up G35C. So I wonder whether or not a G35C would be able to do the same on Tsukuba given the same conditions.
If you want to post, tell the truth. I have respect for whoever posts here, If they honestly come here and it be sincerely and truthful in purpose. You try to do that, but you're not quite there yet.
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Dang,
chenpin beat me to it, while I was in the middle of the post. Oh, well. Instead of deleting my post, it's just more evidence against Skyline Mechanic.
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Originally posted by Skyline Maniac
I spoke up about the G35C because many posters were most interested in the comparison between the RX-8 and the G35C. I share my knowledge of the G35C since I actually have one. I'd share my thoughts of the RX-8, but I havn't driven one yet. All I got on the RX-8 is some pamphlets, magazines, reviews, and this video that no one else on the forum seems to have.
Why are some of you accusing me of bashing RX-8 when I shared this info. Understandably the results from the video did not favor the RX-8 on paper, but don't flame me for that. I got the BM video, it's about the RX-8, so I took my time, typed it out and thought some of the RX-8 fans might want to know about it. (Great info IMO) Now just watch the damn video and leave me alone.
I spoke up about the G35C because many posters were most interested in the comparison between the RX-8 and the G35C. I share my knowledge of the G35C since I actually have one. I'd share my thoughts of the RX-8, but I havn't driven one yet. All I got on the RX-8 is some pamphlets, magazines, reviews, and this video that no one else on the forum seems to have.
Why are some of you accusing me of bashing RX-8 when I shared this info. Understandably the results from the video did not favor the RX-8 on paper, but don't flame me for that. I got the BM video, it's about the RX-8, so I took my time, typed it out and thought some of the RX-8 fans might want to know about it. (Great info IMO) Now just watch the damn video and leave me alone.
I for one appreciate your comments, even if they are a little biased. Without objective counterpoints, this forum would degenerate quickly into the Virtual Church of Mazda, devoted to Rx-8 worship. No harm in challenging the performance attributes of the car, since its clearly being marketed as a sports car. Not to say that you'll convert us, but keep it up anyhow.