dmc27

As are you. Trolls make the work day go by faster.


It's nice you want to save our misquided souls, but if you take the time to look around the site you'll find plenty of honest discussions about the 8s shortcomings. But, like this one, any thread started by someone who appears to come here just to tell us what we already know ends like this one.


You've got Nissan guy written all over you. Trolls have distinctive auras about them, I guess.


You still seem to be skirting the direct question about the original post that you seem to be defending. Instead you seem to going the way of a classic e-***** waver with each successive post.

Socr8tes

Oh good, you got it! I really had my doubts with your minimal reading comprehension skills.

dmc27

No.

You going to answer that question yet? Or at least make an outright statement about where the best shift points are to get the most of the Renesis?

PFSFD3S

I respect your opinion, but it doesn't take into account several factors.

The FD3S RX7 was built from 1993-2002, but only exported to the US 1993-1995. The Dollar/Yen ratio was causing all of the Japanese sports cars of the time to climb dramatically in price, thus limiting their popularity. Supra, 300ZX, MR2, 3000GT, etc. all died out during this time, so it wasn't just isolated to the Mazda.

Most in the automotive world would consider the 3rd gen car as the best ever produced. Stunning looks, performance, and popularity even today.

How do you explain the large amounts of RX8s languishing away on lots and several of you reporting discounts in the 5 digit range? Doesn't sound like the public is exactly embracing this car with open arms. Quite honestly, the media hasn't either.

PFSFD3S

Haha!!! Man, you guys are great. I almost feel guilty picking on you due to your limited knowledge base.

I'm gonna be really sad once high school starts back up again and you both will be unavailable to post during the day.

PFSFD3S

Man, seriously, you win. How can I compete with the quick wit you've displayed above? Did you go to comedy school?

In all seriousness, can you send me the DIY you wrote up on synchronizing the instrument panel lights to flash with each hit of bass on the subwoofers? I'd like to do that this weekend.

Thanks in advance.

RK

iTrader: (1)

Huh?

Car reviewers love the car. To the point where many of them have difficulty explaining why they love it even though that's what they're paid to do. I don't recall ever reading a car review that didn't laud the 8s driving experience even if some newer models are now relegating it back in the pack a bit for the <40k sports car market.

The 8 is languishing on lots for the same reason SUVs and other mass-produced sports cars are sitting on lots. Gas is too expensive to make this a daily driver so it's -mass- appeal has taken a hit. It's appeal to driving enthusiasts is still there and a lot of the resale market is being driven by those enthusiasts who now see used 8s as good hobby cars. Unless you've been hiding under a rock you'd know that. But that shouldn't mean squat to a person as accomplished as you. You should be able to 'win' your argument without using sales figures.

BTW - Ops problem, and yours apparantly too, is that you think this is the first post listing issues with the 8. It's actually the 1,439,342,321st post in this forum alone. The op presenting it like it was new was much more annoying then anything else. RX-8 owners have no issues discussing the limitations of the 8. Hell I stood up in a HPDE download session on Saturday and patiently explained that when I'm behind someone coming out of a turn and they brake on the exit that they need not attempt to wave me by. You slow me down below my power band and my car might as well have gotten stuck in mud.

So someone should have just put a link to the search function in response to the first post and we could all have been done with it instead of seeing this idiotic thread getting bounced again and again to the top of this forum.

PFSFD3S

It's funny that you mention this since I work in the auto industry and do analysis on this trending on a daily basis.

Auto industry taking a hit? Yes, a huge one, but let's look at RX8s competitive set: 350Z, S2000, and Boxter.

For the month of June 2008, Honda sold 7 times more S2000s and Nissan sold 11 times more 350Zs than Mazda sold RX8s, so don't tell me that it's a categorical similarity. Those are facts, not opinions.

TIV (Total Industry Volume) is going to be down over a million cars this year, but the RX8 is bleeding out at an extraordinary rate.

Care to make anymore assertions?

delhi

Oh did I just flush out an RX-7 fanboi who refuses to acknowledge that Mazda has already moved on? teehee.....

Care to share your source for the sale of the cars? vs. total volume produced. Without citing source.... you know what that makes you right?

Update**: I dug around, but only found comparable 08 june data for S2k,350z and rx-8. the s2k recorded 273 vs. rx-8 333. 350z....830. 7 and 11 times more than rx-8? You FAIL.

In fact S2k sale is -40.2% vs rx-8 at -34.6% YOY.
Worse still.... the 350z is enjoying a -52.8% YOY.
So which one is doing worse? It's simple grade 3 math.

mazda source: http://media.ford.com/mazda/article_...59&make_id=227
honda source: http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...01/091627.html
Nissan source: http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...01/091658.html

RK

iTrader: (1)

Well you were already slammed but as noted the RX-8 is losing sales as a daily driver due to fuel efficiency - again reiterating that total sales has no bearing on a review of the 8's driveability:

RX-8: 16-22 mpg
350x: 18-25 mpg
s2000: 18-25 mpg

This means as prices rise the daily cost of use of the 8 is getting significantly higher than it's direct competitors which affects sales to people looking for a daily driver. This does not affect sales to enthusiasts looking for a weekend or track car and sure as **** has no relation at all to ops original post.

You should probably create a new account to troll with now. This one is looking awfully crispy.

LionZoo

In addition to what delhi pointed out, if you truly analyzed the car industry you'd know that the RX-8 and the Boxster are far from direct competitors.

I think a lot of people in this thread wouldn't have problems if it seemed like the OP actually drove the car the correct way or even drove the car period. However, he still hasn't replied back with at which dealership he managed to find a R3 to testdrive and I don't think he will.

swoope

iTrader: (5)

wow,

op and the peter farrel supercars are both annoying as hell..

and i really hope this is not the real peter farrel. as i met him years ago at watkins glen, and he was a cool guy just starting out..

i will ask mister pfs, what is your purpose here, how did you find this thread as your first post here?

you are or know the op..

the op has his right to an opinion, but we have the right to point out its flaws... and there were many.

the two of you are acting so troll like it is silly.. the big thing that killed this for me is one car oversteered and one understeered.. and the op did not mention tire pressue.. if the guy is an instructor that should have been the first thing checked..

oversteer and understeer are 4 psi and two turns on the rear shocks away from each other..

carry on!

beers

MazdaMan423yrs

ACTUALLY READ (if you can, the whole way through):

My original post was NOT related to the thousands of other posts/threads about the RX-8s shortcomings, but rather to report on my experience test driving a new version of it. But that quickly, and childishly, got tossed aside. Apparently, many of you did not know about the host of changes Mazda made to it, but I did thanks, in part, to actually READING other threads on this forum.

The R3 I test drove is (was?) at Smail Mazda in Greensburg, PA. And yes, I drove the stink out of it, include numerous trips to the redline buzzer, in search of respectable acceleration. I never found any. I knew that, with only 5 miles on it, it would need broken-in. I never said that I limited my test drive to 6500rpm shifts. I also took the car fast enough around some bends that the tires didn't even have a chance to squeal, they just broke loose. The car was incredibly neutral and predictable, as it should be based on its reputation as a world-class handling car. I just didn't buy it because it wasn't fast enough. Why is that so hard to accept? BTW, 0-60 in 6 seconds is NOT fast by today's standards. There are numerous performance sedans, SUVs, and crossovers that can do that.

I know the suspensions for '04 and '06 RX-8s are the same. I never blamed the suspensions for one having understeer and one having oversteer. And, I am the one who brought up the possibility that alignment settings and/or incorrect tire pressures may have been the cause. I only brought it up as a reason why I was test driving a new one. By the way, early tests of the '04 did reveal too much oversteer, so Mazda made some adjustments to the factory alignment settings, starting with the '05 models I beleive. Underteer is preferred by most manufacturers because it's safer for unexperienced drivers during emergency manuevers, which might explain my experience with the '06 I drove on track. Cars like the RX-8 can easily be adjusted to go either way becasue they have a 50/50 weight distribution.

Regarding the fuel economy issue with the RX-8... It was never a factor to me, but the fact that you have to drive the car in the upper 1/3 of the rpm range to get any sort of power hurts the fuel economy even more. It only gets the rated economy tooling around in a high gear at low rpms. I can't imagine taking a multi-state trip on highways at 70-80mph with the RENESIS constantly humming along at 4K rpm... that would be plain annoying. I wouldn't tolerate the best handling car in the world for that.

As I mentioned, the 350Z is not a competitor to the RX-8 because it only has two doors and two seats. Same with the s2000. Just because they're real-wheel drive doesn't make them competitors. Same for the Mustang. IMO, the EVO and STX are more viable alternatives, even though they're AWD, becasue they have 4 doors and 4 seats, are performance-oriented, and becasue of their price-point. NOTE: "IMO" means in my opinion, and is not fact... opinions may vary, and cannot be "flawed".

I really don't care what you guys think of me. I'm not about to post my racing resume becasue all it would lead ot is a flood of hate mail/posts and/or SPAM. I never said I won every one of my races (another example of people not being able to read). I said I have won in each of the venues I have raced... autocross, drag race, road race, and time trials. And I only mentioned it to establish credibility, which according to you, is only established if I can post insults and call names. In the end, I am confident that I can turn faster laps in my Spec Miata than any of you can in your RX-8s, unless you have 14 years of racing experience and have won at all levels too, but I doubt it based on the childish responses.

PaPaBear

What a crock of crap. RX-8 owners know different. That is why we are rotorheads. The RX-8 handled great and if you know how to play the gears and RPM's it goes like stink. Now go back to job at Ford (Fixed Or Repaired Daily).

PaPaBear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRiPSlx8PxA


A professional opinion.

xsnipersgox

fixed it for you.

MazdaMan423yrs

Just what I expected. Do you even know anything about the RX-8 that's pictured in your avatar? If you were a true "rotorhead", you'd know that it's not powered by a RENESIS rotary, it's powered by a suped-up old-school 20B because at that level of competition, the RENESIS wouldn't stand a chance:
http://www.speedsourceinc.com/index....&section=mazda

BTW, a "professional opinion" is still an opinion. The only difference is that somebody gets paid to make it

RK

iTrader: (1)

Jesus. You just can't stop digging, can you?

When you're in 6th travelling around 80mph you are getting 22-24 MPH at approx 4000 RPM and no one, not a single stock Mazda owner or passenger, has ever found it annoying. It is smooth, quiet, and fun whether you're on the PA Turnpike or on the flattest stretch of highway in Iowa.

You should learn to keep it short. The more you write the worse this thread gets.

RK

iTrader: (1)

Huh? He didn't mention anything about the SS cars. Why'd you bring that up? Did you just want to add in that the 8 makes for a great GT chassis?

BTW - How's my avatar? More evidence of how much this car sucks on tracks?

dmc27

Opinions can't be wrong. They can, however, be reached based on lack of or incorrect information. Which yours seemed to be, regardless of your race pedigree. It didn't help any that as soon as a few members didn't praise you for your completely unoriginal thoughts your response was to call people ignorant children. You and your buddy should just GTFO. Go post mundane, well known facts about other cars shortcomings on other forums as a first post and see what happens. The hypocrisy is unbelievable. Just go away.

Being a childish, ignorant person who is unwilling to discuss any flaws in my car and unable to read, I decided to have someone actually go and read your posts to me. Look what they found for me:

EDIT: Here's that post, since you seem to be confused as to what you said.

PaPaBear

My avitar has nothing to do with my opinion of what I drive and the other club members here. I cheer on SpeedSource as they are great buch of people and wish them nothing but success. Ford service just left you a message, your car is ready.

playdoh43

its too funny reading a selected few whose never been to the track before lecturing this dude who actually races at the track and is a performance driving instructor, not to mention a big mazda fan and a rotor head. (not refering to dmc)

get over it, its not the first time someone gave a negative review to the rx8, everyone has their opinions. i rather see people respectfully disagree than insult dude like a pack of raving fanbois.

FYI MazdaMan423yrs, I do detect that the rx8 can sometimes have slight understeer feeling, but relatively speaking compared to most performance cars, It is about as neutral as you can get. I personally think its one of the best handling cars out there. With a stiffened suspension that get rid of the body roll, itd would be a hell of a weapon on the track. The lack of power is a well known thing, but that dosnt prevent it from being very enjoyable, comfortable and fun to drive on the public roads. this is just my opinion as a neutral member of this forum.

xsnipersgox

i think the main thing is just this, what did you expect from a car that boasts 180 hp at the wheel? with a less than 150 ft/lb of torque? =/

i believe however, once u've driven a turboed rx8, you may like the car a lot more, power + handling.


i think you were expecting too much, and thus were dissapointed.. a deeper prior research into the car woulda saved you the "dissapointment"

tajabaho1

the OP is retarded, can we pls close this thread?

MazdaMan423yrs

Yes, that about sums it up. I definately had higher expectations, mainly because of the gearing changes. There was a lot of speculation as to how it might affect shift points, acceleration, RPM @ certain speeds, etc., but without being an enginner, the best was to find out was to test drive it. Since I already experience driving two RX-8s on track, I had a basis for comparison. Turbocharging a new car is out of the question becasue it would void the warranty.

Again, the point of my OP was not to belittle the RX-8 for it's shortcomings, but rather to report on the experience driving the new R3 version. I've already stated numerous times that the car can handle, there is no question about that. I already knew the '09s have the same (basically) RENESIS as all the previous model years (with some reliability enhancements), but because of that very fact, I expected the R3's gearing to improve the acceleration. That is all.

As for this forum mentality, I just can't beleive it. I've been a member of the RX7.com forum for many years. The general consensus is that RX-7 enthusiasts are MAZDA enthusiasts. They like all Mazdas. The mentality here is that if it's not an RX-8, it's nothing... not even another rotary-powered Mazda. That's like saying the only chicks you will bang have to be 5'4", 110 pounds, blonde, tan, and virgins. Man, you guys must be lonely.