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ShinkaTeen, for the first time out of your 145 post you actually made me lmao. OP, 76 posts into this thread and you are still an idiot. Not for your very poorly thought out review but because you thought we would give a crap. Sorry, but I don't get it. I wouldn't go on a..... oh I don't know.... mustang forum and say the new ones suck, wouldn't go on a 350 forum and say they suck, however, I would go on a crossfire forum and say they suck, but that's just me. Best of luck with your future racing career!

PFSFD3S

So, you're not interested in honesty, only "feeling good" about the vehicle you drive?

The best drivers in the world call it like it is. Porsche factory drivers will honestly comment on a Porsche vehicle, without worrying if their owners get their feelings hurt.

That's why our cars get little respect, because of butthurt riceboys that know more about neon lighting than suspension geometry.

cogsNsprockets

No.. "our" cars get little respect only from the same people who minds are incredibly limited, unable to deal with the mere thought of being involved in driving a car, taking responsibility to actually do maintenence, unable to appreciate beauty in simplicity and simply want to zone out in this world.

Automatic transmissions make up about 94% of the cars out there today. Why? because when it comes down to it, driving just takes too much brainpower from these nitwits and its just too hard and too complicated to actually shift gears.

I belive in my heart of hearts that you should not be allowed ( barring some major disabiity) To drive any sports cars unless they are manual transmissions.) Don't like it? tough crap. Go drive your Corrola.

These same people are of the exact same mindset as the proletariats in the book 1984 by George Orwell.

Flat out scary!

Socr8tes

You're assuming the driver actually knows something about the vehicle he/she's evaluating. A fallacy in this case, I'm afraid.

ShottsCruisers

Wow! I luvved my Rx8 until I read MazdaMan423's ride eval. He definately has more experience than I in racing. I'm now very disapointed in my Rx8 and need to go shopping for a real car. Bummer.

dmc27

Try re-reading that post. Here's the breakdown: (imo of course, since I know Speed can speak for himself) Saying "for the first time out of your 145 post you actually made me lmao" is not the same as saying he's right, wrong, or otherwise. It may imply that SD doesn't find him amusing or finds him intolerable, but that really can't be determined from the post.

As far as the "honest" evaluation - there seems to be plenty of evidence that OP actually can't form and "honest" opinion considering he clearly robbed himself of the true feel & drivability of the 8 by shifting just as he got into the powerband. It reads as a completely ignorant opinion shared by someone who appears to be spiking the BS meter (aka a "troll"), or maybe he really has been driving rotary engines for years - the wrong way.

I would love to hear Dale's opinion of the 8 after another test drive which included a few redline shifts and some nice winding roads.

dmc27

PFSFD3S

Wow, are you being serious? I hope not.

Are you asserting that a Porsche factory test driver knows nothing about their vehicles, let alone an expertise in driving dynamics?

The irony lies in the fact that your screen name is that of one of the greatest thinkers in history. Associating you with that would be the fallacy, I'm afraid.

dmc27

More importantly, are you being serious?? Are you really assuming that Porsche factory drivers should be considered some of "the best drivers in the world?"

Or are you just defending your first post and considering yourself one of the "best drivers in the world?"

PFSFD3S

It was used as an example since, by industry standards, not mine, they generally are considered some of the best.

The fact that you would use that point to argue shows that you are interested in nothing more than displaying your automotive inferiority complex.

Newsflash- the RX8 [I]does[I] have a few faults. It's a great vehicle for sure, but you ladies are too insecure and defensive to talk reality.

Keep enjoying your state of denial!

dmc27

I'm not only secure enough to admit the 8s faults, I'm secure enough to embrace them, accept them, and enjoy the car for what it is rather than bash what it is not.

To point out the facts (such as low mpg, low torque, engine replacements, tranny issues, busted visors, fishbowl tails, etc., etc.) is one thing. To join here only to post an "evaluation" that is based on shifting at 6500 rpm despite a claim of long time rotary ownership is pretty weak, and just comes across as trolling. Especially when part of the evaluation is oversteer on one car and under on another when there's no difference in suspension on the cited stock models.

More directly to your point, because of the above reasons, this OP (which I can only assume is you) is obviously NOT a very knowledgable rotary driver. Which means you are defending an opinion that is not coming from one of the best in the world based on Porsche factory drivers and their critique of a Porsche. Frankly, I'm not sure what the hell your point was intended to be with that comparison.

But thanks for playing, your genious shines through when you lump everyone together in a "state of denial."

Socr8tes

I was referring to the OP's posts. I have no opinion on Porshe test drivers. Who got all butt hurt now?

PFSFD3S

You omitted one important fault: no Kleenex dispenser. You need them to wipe the tears away when mean people like me hurt your feelings trying to speak honestly about a vehicle.

FYI, I'm not the creator of this post, but I do have a knowledge base on these vehicles that seems to far eclipse yours.

I had a part in tuning several RX8s with the Canzoomer interface a couple of years back. I've corner weighted coilover setups on RX8s, and have friends that are actively campaigning them in SCCA. Have you done anything close to that??

You think you're such a smart guy, lets have a tete-a-tete concerning RX8 matters, in general and technical side as well. For example, do you even know what the EGT temps on the Renesis motor are on a stock tune compared to the 13B?

You would do yourself a favor by actually trying to learn something on here from knowledgeable people rather than flexing your e-muscles and sounding like an idiot to people in the know.

Please, continue to blah blah blah about not shifting at the right rpm, etc. Those ricer excuses really add comedy to my day!

dmc27

Ok, let's make it simple - do you find the OP's first post to be correct, valuable, and an overall fair & knowledgable evaluation of the rx8?

PFSFD3S

Yes, I feel that it was a fair evaluation in the respect that I felt the OP was trying to honestly communicate his opinion about the vehicle, not bash it.

Am I going to reserve final judgment until I personally drive an 09? Heck yes!

I've always thought that the factory gearing was too tall for the nature of the motor. I was and am looking forward to seeing if the 4.77 FD keeps the motor on boil a bit better.

Of course, anyone who loves the RX8 knows that it's essence is about chassis dynamics, so I'm looking forward to feeling the rigidity, suspension, rolling stock improvements as well.

dmc27

Do you believe the OP, based on the posts, took full advantage of what the rx-8 has to offer, thus getting a true feel for the car's ability?

Or did he leave a good amount of the car's potential unused by shifting at by 6500 rpm?

PFSFD3S

You know what, the truth of the matter is that the OP seems to have a strong knowledge base on properly driving vehicles, based on terminology used and experience listed.

I'd say that most people who truly know about N/A Rotaries understand that the motor must be kept in the upper third of the tach range in order to have any type of useable thrust. Unfortunately, in racing, midrange power can be very useful, especially in corner entry/exit situations. The Renesis doesn't exactly shine in this area, so people that select too high a gear or expect the car to have significant thrust at 4500 rpm will be met with disappointment. The OP seemed like he understood that, but was disappointed by the lack of power nonetheless.

Do you remember the Best Motoring Video featuring the RX8 when it was first released? They raved about it's balance and handling. It is beautiful in that area. Sadly, on track, it got pulled hard by every one of it's competitors, including a DC5 Integra R. It's just a fact that it is hurting in that area.

Luckily in Grand-Am, the RX8 has done well due to it's relative lightness, ease on tires due to it's inherent balance, and drivers who know how to drive the car.

Again, the RX8 is a superb drivers car, but lets get a little thicker skin and be able to discuss the glaring weaknesses with the hope of making them better, not ignoring them.

dmc27

That's not really an answer, is it? I'm not questioning the guy's "knowledge base on properly driving vehicles", I'm questioning his knowledge base on properly driving rotaries.

PFSFD3S

Dude, I'm finding it quite obvious that you don't know much about cars...at all.

I was trying to be civil and have a technically based conversation, but talking to you about this subject matter is like expecting my 2 year old daughter to understand quantum physics.

Re-read my second paragraph, Google "Rotary engines" or "Wankel engines", have a good cry on Shinka Teen's shoulder, then the both of you can go paint your brake calipers gold, or something.

If anyone else would like to honestly discuss technical traits of the RX8, please chime in. I'm tired of this "baby talk."

Socr8tes

I know you think you're doing the RX-8 community a huge service here with your revolutionary new ideas. Yes, you truly are a visionary. We are all humbled by your presence and owe you a debt of gratitude.

But you're not breaking any new ground. Ike took that honor years ago and I think most RX-8 owners are as well aware of the RX-8's shortcomings as they are its virtues.

I have no problem with pointing out any poster's divergence from reality in a respectful manor, but the OP obviously came here with the sole purpose of bashing the RX-8 and has contributed nothing else of value. If you read carefully, few people are debating that the car could use more horsepower, better fuel economy, etc.; we are simply questioning the OP's motive, tact and credibility.

dmc27

Somehow you have turned this thread into me not being able or willing to even see the 8s shortcomings let alone discuss them. Followed by calling people (including me) in this thread "ladies" who live in denial and provide "ricer" responses, who are unqualified to discuss cars. All while seeming to think that "feeling good" about the vehicle somehow precludes the ability to be honest about it.

Yet I'm the one who isn't being civil because I asked a yes or no question?

Your second paragraph leads me to believe you agree the OP didn't run the car right. So I honestly have no idea what your point is on this topic. I can only assume you're just waiting for me to lament my decision to buy an 8 instead of a Nissan Z. But I'm still quite happy with my decision to do so.

PFSFD3S

Wow Socr8tes, you have such a sophisticated sense of humor...was that sarcasm I detected in the first paragraph?

You, and many others obviously do have a problem with criticism. It's quite apparent. I generally don't like to rile feathers, but seriously, you guys are ridiculous! I've heard more excuses today than I've heard in a long time.

Not one of you has come back with a technical retort of any kind, just insults. Luckily my skin is a lot thicker than, well, all of yours.

PFSFD3S

You finished painting your calipers already?? You're good.

Again, the insecurity is strong with you. When have I ever mentioned a 350Z, Mustang, or any other vehicle you guys like to throw out as a defense mechanism?

I've seen a lot, and I mean A LOT, of blown up FI rotaries. I actually prefer NA, but until we see a 4 rotor Renesis, looks like you guys will still be circling the wagons against any outsider that questions your precious vehicle.

You guys are a lot of fun!

delhi

IMHO the RX-8 is the best overall rotary car that ever came out of Hiroshima combining daily driveability, balance, comfort, luxury, performance, price, looks etc. Obviously Mazda agrees or else they'd can this car like what they did with the rx-7 generations. The rx-8 appeals to a larger audience globally. That's also the reason why this dimunitive rotary powered cars seem to win the paid auto-scribes heart over its natural segment competition.

PFSFD3S

Both of you talk a lot about "properly driving" a rotary.

Have either of you ever even been on track with your 8s?

Anyone? Bueller?