Mazda is not a Ford, Ford does not own Mazda
08-16-2007, 05:39 PM
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Without Ford, Mazda would have been history years ago and Sumitomo Bank (the 2nd largest share holder of Mazda stock) would have liquidated the assets years ago.
Mazda and Ford have been together for just about 30 years now. Its not like it has been a bad relationship. They both have profited well from it. Both in tech and with products.
08-16-2007, 05:44 PM
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People's opinions won't change just because JDP says they're improving quality. It takes years to change opinions. Cars need to last longer than 5 years before falling apart. They need to go through a few winters without rusting. Everyone I know that owns a new "Furd" bitches about it. Everyone except the mustang fan boys. Which is funny, most of them are the ones with blown engines yet they're still pro-ford.
Also, if you havent notice, almost ALL Japanese cars will rust way earlier than american cars will....
Just a thought...
08-16-2007, 06:06 PM
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Good point, the JDP scores are indeed improving for the traditional North American vehicles..........and when they can maintain those superior scores for 10+ years in a row THEN they can start talking, otherwise they are still in the territory of one-shot wonder. And while it is true that Ford has controlling interest in Mazda that does not mean that Ford BUILDS them all. If my RX was assembled by some beer-guzzling redneck grade 3 dropout in a wife-beater NASCAR shirt I would be driving something else.
I want to see what happens with Honda and Toyota when they start producing the volumes as GM or Ford produce per year... (I'm not even counting Nissan)...
08-16-2007, 06:09 PM
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08-16-2007, 07:25 PM
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Then you don't know much.
GM is: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Daewoo, GMC, Holden, Hummer, Opel, Pontiac, Saturn, Saab and Vauxhal.
Toyota is: Daihatsu, Hino, Lexus and Scion.
Ford is: Lincoln, Mercury, Jaguar, Land Rover and Volvo, the last three of which are for sale. They just ditched Aston Martin.
VW is: Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, SEAT and Škoda.
What I laugh about is Daimler. They played Chrysler like a fiddle. They bought them up, raped them for their retail engine (until it wasn't profitable) then sold them off, keeping the only useful part - Mitsubishi. I suspect Chrysler will go completely under in a few years.
Yes - because in America, they are large companies. World-wide, they are just part of the noise.
A little behind on your numbers there, I see.
Toyota already passed everybody except GM and they are not even a whole million units behind (8 million vs. 8.9 million).
Japan already produces more vehicles than the entire US output (11.5M to 11.3M) - quite a stat for a country with less than half our population.
Toyota produces 130% more vehicles than Ford!
Its the other way around, unless you are talking about pre-1980 cars in which case it is a tie. What are you driving? A '76 Datsun?
Fiat does own Ferrari, as well as Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Iveco, Lancia and Maserati.
GM is: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Daewoo, GMC, Holden, Hummer, Opel, Pontiac, Saturn, Saab and Vauxhal.
Toyota is: Daihatsu, Hino, Lexus and Scion.
Ford is: Lincoln, Mercury, Jaguar, Land Rover and Volvo, the last three of which are for sale. They just ditched Aston Martin.
VW is: Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, SEAT and Škoda.
What I laugh about is Daimler. They played Chrysler like a fiddle. They bought them up, raped them for their retail engine (until it wasn't profitable) then sold them off, keeping the only useful part - Mitsubishi. I suspect Chrysler will go completely under in a few years.
Toyota already passed everybody except GM and they are not even a whole million units behind (8 million vs. 8.9 million).
Japan already produces more vehicles than the entire US output (11.5M to 11.3M) - quite a stat for a country with less than half our population.
Toyota produces 130% more vehicles than Ford!
Fiat does own Ferrari, as well as Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Iveco, Lancia and Maserati.
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08-16-2007, 08:03 PM
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eh, they get the government to bail them out again.
I was just about to say the same thing.
A little behind on your numbers there, I see.
Toyota already passed everybody except GM and they are not even a whole million units behind (8 million vs. 8.9 million).
Japan already produces more vehicles than the entire US output (11.5M to 11.3M) - quite a stat for a country with less than half our population.
Toyota produces 130% more vehicles than Ford!
Toyota already passed everybody except GM and they are not even a whole million units behind (8 million vs. 8.9 million).
Japan already produces more vehicles than the entire US output (11.5M to 11.3M) - quite a stat for a country with less than half our population.
Toyota produces 130% more vehicles than Ford!
08-16-2007, 08:21 PM
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Then you don't know much.
GM is: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Daewoo, GMC, Holden, Hummer, Opel, Pontiac, Saturn, Saab and Vauxhal.
Toyota is: Daihatsu, Hino, Lexus and Scion.
Ford is: Lincoln, Mercury, Jaguar, Land Rover and Volvo, the last three of which are for sale. They just ditched Aston Martin.
VW is: Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, SEAT and Škoda.
What I laugh about is Daimler. They played Chrysler like a fiddle. They bought them up, raped them for their retail engine (until it wasn't profitable) then sold them off, keeping the only useful part - Mitsubishi. I suspect Chrysler will go completely under in a few years.
Yes - because in America, they are large companies. World-wide, they are just part of the noise.
A little behind on your numbers there, I see.
Toyota already passed everybody except GM and they are not even a whole million units behind (8 million vs. 8.9 million).
Japan already produces more vehicles than the entire US output (11.5M to 11.3M) - quite a stat for a country with less than half our population.
Toyota produces 130% more vehicles than Ford!
Its the other way around, unless you are talking about pre-1980 cars in which case it is a tie. What are you driving? A '76 Datsun?
Fiat does own Ferrari, as well as Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Iveco, Lancia and Maserati.
GM is: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Daewoo, GMC, Holden, Hummer, Opel, Pontiac, Saturn, Saab and Vauxhal.
Toyota is: Daihatsu, Hino, Lexus and Scion.
Ford is: Lincoln, Mercury, Jaguar, Land Rover and Volvo, the last three of which are for sale. They just ditched Aston Martin.
VW is: Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, SEAT and Škoda.
What I laugh about is Daimler. They played Chrysler like a fiddle. They bought them up, raped them for their retail engine (until it wasn't profitable) then sold them off, keeping the only useful part - Mitsubishi. I suspect Chrysler will go completely under in a few years.
Yes - because in America, they are large companies. World-wide, they are just part of the noise.
A little behind on your numbers there, I see.
Toyota already passed everybody except GM and they are not even a whole million units behind (8 million vs. 8.9 million).
Japan already produces more vehicles than the entire US output (11.5M to 11.3M) - quite a stat for a country with less than half our population.
Toyota produces 130% more vehicles than Ford!
Its the other way around, unless you are talking about pre-1980 cars in which case it is a tie. What are you driving? A '76 Datsun?
Fiat does own Ferrari, as well as Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Iveco, Lancia and Maserati.
Well, I had a Mazda Mx6 1990 - Rusted.
My 1994 Toyota Tercel sitting in my driveway - rusting....
My 1989 Mercury Grand Marquis - almost no rust....
Am I missing something...?
08-16-2007, 08:32 PM
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"No way dude...i saw an LS1 fight godzilla and the LS1 beat godzilla and it looked in the air and was like what do you think of that god? And god was like bring it bitch, so they fought and the LS1 beat god and now the LS1 is god because its the greatest thing ever"
Sorry can't help it, my last car was a 02 WS6
08-16-2007, 08:54 PM
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I have to say, I believe Rust is all based on where you are going to live.. I highly doubt MM has to worry about Rust being in AZ all that much, where as living here in NE where they like to Salt the roads, rust is a bit more of a concern.
08-16-2007, 09:06 PM
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08-16-2007, 09:41 PM
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Japanese cars from the '80s tended to loose their fender and QP edges.
American cars tended to rust everywhere - especially the frames and flat panels.
Only American cars seem to generate rust across the hood and roof.
No, they can't.
08-16-2007, 10:47 PM
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Wouldn't dream of it!
And here, because Mustangs can't handle, you can look at the documentation all the way back to 1988 that shows their numerous top finishes in SCCA sanctioned racing mean absolutely nothing! And, this is only from one race team!
http://www.steeda.com/highlights/
Of course you'll probably just skip over it and assume I made it up or whatever, or the "highlights" are biased, I don't mind.
And here, because Mustangs can't handle, you can look at the documentation all the way back to 1988 that shows their numerous top finishes in SCCA sanctioned racing mean absolutely nothing! And, this is only from one race team!
http://www.steeda.com/highlights/
Of course you'll probably just skip over it and assume I made it up or whatever, or the "highlights" are biased, I don't mind.
08-16-2007, 11:33 PM
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my friend just brought a 2003 gt mustang and he already had to replace his alternator and his window is getting stuck. It only has 34k miles on it.
All i got to say.
All i got to say.
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08-17-2007, 12:16 AM
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Why?
Without Ford, Mazda would have been history years ago and Sumitomo Bank (the 2nd largest share holder of Mazda stock) would have liquidated the assets years ago.
Mazda and Ford have been together for just about 30 years now. Its not like it has been a bad relationship. They both have profited well from it. Both in tech and with products.
Without Ford, Mazda would have been history years ago and Sumitomo Bank (the 2nd largest share holder of Mazda stock) would have liquidated the assets years ago.
Mazda and Ford have been together for just about 30 years now. Its not like it has been a bad relationship. They both have profited well from it. Both in tech and with products.
I think ailing Ford is dependent on Mazda for cash. If Mazda owned the shares, Mazda can reinvest the funds into its own operations instead of Ford siphoning it out to save itself.
08-17-2007, 12:30 AM
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I have yet to sit in an American-built late-model Ford with more than 10k miles on it that isn't missing some significant pieces of trim and finishing components. Don't get me started on the groaning, creaking, popping, snapping and squeaks that even brand-new Mustangs exhibit as soon as you start to push them.
as for the noises inside, well, guess thats why you put a louder exhuast on it.
btw- i'd be glad to prove what kind of pos my slow *** mustang is to anyone that thinks of it so.
better bring your A game.
08-17-2007, 12:51 AM
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Yeah, but you hardly drive that thing, Tony!
Besides, you wouldn't know if anything was creaking over that screaming banshee at the end of that belt!
Your car is designed to do one thing really, really well. We don't need to drag you out to Tortilla Flats again to point that out, do we?
Besides, you wouldn't know if anything was creaking over that screaming banshee at the end of that belt!
Your car is designed to do one thing really, really well. We don't need to drag you out to Tortilla Flats again to point that out, do we?
08-17-2007, 12:55 AM
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if i had left it with the stock turning stuff in it yea. just commenting on your milage deal. because 46k is still 46k.
and honestly, i do plan to try the flats again with the front sway bar on. as the car honestly felt rather good, just lacked a lot in the front roll category. lolz....
and honestly, i do plan to try the flats again with the front sway bar on. as the car honestly felt rather good, just lacked a lot in the front roll category. lolz....