Mazda is not a Ford, Ford does not own Mazda
08-16-2007, 03:01 PM
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People's opinions won't change just because JDP says they're improving quality. It takes years to change opinions. Cars need to last longer than 5 years before falling apart. They need to go through a few winters without rusting. Everyone I know that owns a new "Furd" bitches about it. Everyone except the mustang fan boys. Which is funny, most of them are the ones with blown engines yet they're still pro-ford.
08-16-2007, 03:08 PM
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Good point, the JDP scores are indeed improving for the traditional North American vehicles..........and when they can maintain those superior scores for 10+ years in a row THEN they can start talking, otherwise they are still in the territory of one-shot wonder. And while it is true that Ford has controlling interest in Mazda that does not mean that Ford BUILDS them all. If my RX was assembled by some beer-guzzling redneck grade 3 dropout in a wife-beater NASCAR shirt I would be driving something else.
08-16-2007, 03:08 PM
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it don't matter to me because you can't take away the thrill.and by the way our rx8 keys are refabbed escort keys.i checked i know and i don't care!it just has a pats chip in it with a different head.so what who cares and did anyone get paid for this advertisment?even ford g.t. owners take a second and even a third look when i drive past them!!
08-16-2007, 03:10 PM
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People crack me up. For the most part its all the same.. I used to work for Cummins (which is majority owned by Ford) & people would gripe & complain about how their Powerstroke did this & did that so much better, etc.. Than I had a guy come in & put on over 300,000 miles in a year & a half & never had a damn problem..
Every company has their good & bad. You laugh at the Ford boys & their *blown* engines, yet how many here have had their engines crap out, yet you still bought the Mazda didnt you?
Every company has their good & bad. You laugh at the Ford boys & their *blown* engines, yet how many here have had their engines crap out, yet you still bought the Mazda didnt you?
08-16-2007, 03:11 PM
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Good point, the JDP scores are indeed improving for the traditional North American vehicles..........and when they can maintain those superior scores for 10+ years in a row THEN they can start talking, otherwise they are still in the territory of one-shot wonder. And while it is true that Ford has controlling interest in Mazda that does not mean that Ford BUILDS them all. If my RX was assembled by some beer-guzzling redneck grade 3 dropout in a wife-beater NASCAR shirt I would be driving something else.
So...where's the compartment for your throwing stars?
08-16-2007, 03:12 PM
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I test drove a fast Stang once.
I remember thinking - "This car's a pig, I wonder what kind of driver would like this?"
I remember thinking - "This car's a pig, I wonder what kind of driver would like this?"
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08-16-2007, 03:14 PM
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Does anyone know for a fact if ford still provides resources to Mazda? With the huge increase in sales the last 5-6 years, I'm sure they're self-sufficient.
08-16-2007, 03:16 PM
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Isn't the C1 (?) platform (3/Europe Escort/etc.) based more on a Ford of Europe/Volvo than an original Mazda design?
Not that it matters.
If something works, why reinvent the wheel.
What I would really like to see (if it can fit) would be an RX8 car with the 2.3T MS3 motor. Sell it as a Ford product if you have too. I think this motor is heavier, but with 263 hp and 280 torque it should fly.
Personnaly I like having Ford with Mazda. With the invincible giant Toyota is becoming Mazda might need the help.
Not that it matters.
If something works, why reinvent the wheel.
What I would really like to see (if it can fit) would be an RX8 car with the 2.3T MS3 motor. Sell it as a Ford product if you have too. I think this motor is heavier, but with 263 hp and 280 torque it should fly.
Personnaly I like having Ford with Mazda. With the invincible giant Toyota is becoming Mazda might need the help.
08-16-2007, 03:16 PM
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I think ProCharger GT would just settle for going at this point. In the couple years we have worked together I don't think his car has been "running" for more than a week straight.
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08-16-2007, 03:17 PM
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There are some extremely impressive track mustangs - I know they don't handle as good in the twisty's stock vs. stock against an RX8, but check out these sites, and you'll see what I'm talking about:
http://www.griggsracing.com
http://www.maximummotorsports.com
http://www.griggsracing.com
http://www.maximummotorsports.com
08-16-2007, 03:18 PM
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Ahem...it was VALVE SPRING trouble, not manifold w/ mechanic kittah! That cat doesn't know as much as his resume says he does...
Anyway, the bike will smoke you...and it's probably slower than the GT was on the old 4.6L.
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08-16-2007, 03:23 PM
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I think the majority of us that have driven Fords understand the difference in philosophy between the marques.
The real issue is fit and finish.
Ford vehicles feel "worn" when they are brand new and, with very few exceptions, become worn almost immediately. I have yet to sit in an American-built late-model Ford with more than 10k miles on it that isn't missing some significant pieces of trim and finishing components. Don't get me started on the groaning, creaking, popping, snapping and squeaks that even brand-new Mustangs exhibit as soon as you start to push them.
The real issue is fit and finish.
Ford vehicles feel "worn" when they are brand new and, with very few exceptions, become worn almost immediately. I have yet to sit in an American-built late-model Ford with more than 10k miles on it that isn't missing some significant pieces of trim and finishing components. Don't get me started on the groaning, creaking, popping, snapping and squeaks that even brand-new Mustangs exhibit as soon as you start to push them.
08-16-2007, 03:27 PM
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I think the majority of us that have driven Fords understand the difference in philosophy between the marques.
The real issue is fit and finish.
Ford vehicles feel "worn" when they are brand new and, with very few exceptions, become worn almost immediately. I have yet to sit in an American-built late-model Ford with more than 10k miles on it that isn't missing some significant pieces of trim and finishing components. Don't get me started on the groaning, creaking, popping, snapping and squeaks that even brand-new Mustangs exhibit as soon as you start to push them.
The real issue is fit and finish.
Ford vehicles feel "worn" when they are brand new and, with very few exceptions, become worn almost immediately. I have yet to sit in an American-built late-model Ford with more than 10k miles on it that isn't missing some significant pieces of trim and finishing components. Don't get me started on the groaning, creaking, popping, snapping and squeaks that even brand-new Mustangs exhibit as soon as you start to push them.
But their engines are unstoppable and have been touched by the hand of God...
08-16-2007, 03:39 PM
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08-16-2007, 03:44 PM
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