Honda motor swap
05-07-2012, 09:12 AM
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You missed my point.
I know how much work goes into changing an engine internally for turbo or supercharging.
My question is WHY CHOOSE AN ENGINE THAT YOU HAVE TO DO ALL THIS WORK TO IN ORDER TO GET IT TO THE PERFORMANCE LEVEL YOU BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE AT IN THE FIRST PLACE???
That leads to a question of
WHY CHOOSE A CAR YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE ENGINE IN, AND THEN MASSIVELY MODIFY TO GET TO THE LEVEL OF PERFORMANCE THAT YOU THINK IT SHOULD HAVE?
By the time you add up all your money invested in this car, failed attempts at getting whatever god forsaken Honda engine dumped in it, failed attempts and fitting different transmissions and driveshafts in, and ultimately, having a worse handling and driving RX-8 than anyone who has a stock RX-8, you could have simply bought a better car.
Yes, the RX-8 looks nice, but part of the whole package is the engine, and the many benefits this engine has that enables the car to perform the way that it does.
Then again, you might be the type of person who can't think outside of their own limited experience. You know FWD Honda engines from Civics, and you might think they are the best engine on the planet, so naturally, you might want to dump it into anything that's better looking than a Honda Civic (pretty much every other car on the planet), because you might believe the Civic engine will make every other car better than it is.
BC.
I know how much work goes into changing an engine internally for turbo or supercharging.
My question is WHY CHOOSE AN ENGINE THAT YOU HAVE TO DO ALL THIS WORK TO IN ORDER TO GET IT TO THE PERFORMANCE LEVEL YOU BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE AT IN THE FIRST PLACE???
That leads to a question of
WHY CHOOSE A CAR YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE ENGINE IN, AND THEN MASSIVELY MODIFY TO GET TO THE LEVEL OF PERFORMANCE THAT YOU THINK IT SHOULD HAVE?
By the time you add up all your money invested in this car, failed attempts at getting whatever god forsaken Honda engine dumped in it, failed attempts and fitting different transmissions and driveshafts in, and ultimately, having a worse handling and driving RX-8 than anyone who has a stock RX-8, you could have simply bought a better car.
Yes, the RX-8 looks nice, but part of the whole package is the engine, and the many benefits this engine has that enables the car to perform the way that it does.
Then again, you might be the type of person who can't think outside of their own limited experience. You know FWD Honda engines from Civics, and you might think they are the best engine on the planet, so naturally, you might want to dump it into anything that's better looking than a Honda Civic (pretty much every other car on the planet), because you might believe the Civic engine will make every other car better than it is.
BC.
Even if you swap a F20C into the Rx-8 like MM gonna do, you still have to deal with tons of issues, and hmm seriously does F20C really perform that much better? S2000 vs Rx-8 sure S2000 is faster, but it's also lighter. F20C weights about the same vs 13B-MSP. and when u swap it u completely destroy the balance of the car. IF you gonna do a swap at least go for something big like a C26A(if Honda is your cup of tea)
but I doubt OP has the knowledge nor the dough to complete a C26A swap.
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05-07-2012, 10:12 AM
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Honda Engines ? LOL
Rotary is not cool? LOL
20B > Any Honda Engines Any day, hell even 13B-REW > Anything Honda Offers anyday.
Honda is for kids who doesn't know better. or should I say, CAN'T HANDLE anything better.
I take a 2jz over ANYTHING Honda offers anyday. you failed.
Rotary is not cool? LOL
20B > Any Honda Engines Any day, hell even 13B-REW > Anything Honda Offers anyday.
Honda is for kids who doesn't know better. or should I say, CAN'T HANDLE anything better.
I take a 2jz over ANYTHING Honda offers anyday. you failed.
You are really going be shelling out a lot of money for any swap with the rx-8 from what I read so far. If you are not "rolling in the dough" I highly suggest getting a car that already has the engine option that you want. Preludes(Though not as good looking imo) with the fabled H22 make good power and are pretty solid. Perhaps instead of swapping an engine in the RX-8 you should consider some of your other options.
I know that making a switch to rotary is scary, but any engine is prone to failure at basically any time without proper maintenance. I suggest researching the rotary more, you can start by reading some of the FAQs for people considering rotary as they have really helped me a lot. It is true that there isn't a lot of aftermarket in the way of N/A for the rx8 that is actually effective but the Rx8 is not a straight line type of car.
Anyways, forgive my skepticism, but if you do the swap I'll give you props for it just because it's expensive and hard work. I will also say this though, and I hope you give this some serious consideration, if you do not have a lot of money and you dump like 4k-6k on an rx8 and then easily have to pay 9k for a swap, I have a feeling that you might regret it, especially if you have to take out a loan to do the swap. if you have to take out a loan for the swap then SAVE YOUR MONEY AND DO NOT DO IT. Just my 2 cents. Good luck!
I know that making a switch to rotary is scary, but any engine is prone to failure at basically any time without proper maintenance. I suggest researching the rotary more, you can start by reading some of the FAQs for people considering rotary as they have really helped me a lot. It is true that there isn't a lot of aftermarket in the way of N/A for the rx8 that is actually effective but the Rx8 is not a straight line type of car.
Anyways, forgive my skepticism, but if you do the swap I'll give you props for it just because it's expensive and hard work. I will also say this though, and I hope you give this some serious consideration, if you do not have a lot of money and you dump like 4k-6k on an rx8 and then easily have to pay 9k for a swap, I have a feeling that you might regret it, especially if you have to take out a loan to do the swap. if you have to take out a loan for the swap then SAVE YOUR MONEY AND DO NOT DO IT. Just my 2 cents. Good luck!
Puts out numbers you could only dream of in your renesis.
You missed my point.
I know how much work goes into changing an engine internally for turbo or supercharging.
My question is WHY CHOOSE AN ENGINE THAT YOU HAVE TO DO ALL THIS WORK TO IN ORDER TO GET IT TO THE PERFORMANCE LEVEL YOU BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE AT IN THE FIRST PLACE???
That leads to a question of
WHY CHOOSE A CAR YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE ENGINE IN, AND THEN MASSIVELY MODIFY TO GET TO THE LEVEL OF PERFORMANCE THAT YOU THINK IT SHOULD HAVE?
By the time you add up all your money invested in this car, failed attempts at getting whatever god forsaken Honda engine dumped in it, failed attempts and fitting different transmissions and driveshafts in, and ultimately, having a worse handling and driving RX-8 than anyone who has a stock RX-8, you could have simply bought a better car.
Yes, the RX-8 looks nice, but part of the whole package is the engine, and the many benefits this engine has that enables the car to perform the way that it does.
Then again, you might be the type of person who can't think outside of their own limited experience. You know FWD Honda engines from Civics, and you might think they are the best engine on the planet, so naturally, you might want to dump it into anything that's better looking than a Honda Civic (pretty much every other car on the planet), because you might believe the Civic engine will make every other car better than it is.
BC.
I know how much work goes into changing an engine internally for turbo or supercharging.
My question is WHY CHOOSE AN ENGINE THAT YOU HAVE TO DO ALL THIS WORK TO IN ORDER TO GET IT TO THE PERFORMANCE LEVEL YOU BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE AT IN THE FIRST PLACE???
That leads to a question of
WHY CHOOSE A CAR YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE ENGINE IN, AND THEN MASSIVELY MODIFY TO GET TO THE LEVEL OF PERFORMANCE THAT YOU THINK IT SHOULD HAVE?
By the time you add up all your money invested in this car, failed attempts at getting whatever god forsaken Honda engine dumped in it, failed attempts and fitting different transmissions and driveshafts in, and ultimately, having a worse handling and driving RX-8 than anyone who has a stock RX-8, you could have simply bought a better car.
Yes, the RX-8 looks nice, but part of the whole package is the engine, and the many benefits this engine has that enables the car to perform the way that it does.
Then again, you might be the type of person who can't think outside of their own limited experience. You know FWD Honda engines from Civics, and you might think they are the best engine on the planet, so naturally, you might want to dump it into anything that's better looking than a Honda Civic (pretty much every other car on the planet), because you might believe the Civic engine will make every other car better than it is.
BC.
oh man, that car park at the same ******* spot every f-king day, even the street cleaning rules happens between midnight to 3am, and when I'm out to work around 4 am (yes I work this early), the car is already moved and parked at the SAME EXACT SPOT ! it looks so shitty that it caught my attention, and decided I should take a pic of it and tell all the Honda Fanboys/girls That their Civic is ******* garbage. 
mmm what? yes, all Honda fanboys/girls love Civic one way or another, even they drive a S2000, S2000 is great, Civic is not, it's a low end family cheap sedan but for some reason idiots think they are the fastest **** on earth.
****, yea u have a point, I better watch those hub caps, before vtec kicks in I better run my *** off.
mmm what? yes, all Honda fanboys/girls love Civic one way or another, even they drive a S2000, S2000 is great, Civic is not, it's a low end family cheap sedan but for some reason idiots think they are the fastest **** on earth.
****, yea u have a point, I better watch those hub caps, before vtec kicks in I better run my *** off.
05-07-2012, 11:19 AM
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05-07-2012, 11:47 AM
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Op, i don't think your going to find much help or support on this. You have to understand most people on here are going to be rotary enthusiast, and hate the idea of using a different engine in a Rx8. But if you are successful most people will respect the work. I would.
05-07-2012, 11:52 AM
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Those who can, do. Those who can't, go piston.
Keep Honda engines where they belong. In Honda's! The same goes for LS conversions. They exist so they can move overly heavy fat American cars around all day. The reason to have a rotary car is to have a rotary! That's it. Honda's belong on streets getting high gas mileage with commuters behind the wheel. They belong nowhere else for no other purpose. I had one for 10 years. Great little daily driver.
Keep Honda engines where they belong. In Honda's! The same goes for LS conversions. They exist so they can move overly heavy fat American cars around all day. The reason to have a rotary car is to have a rotary! That's it. Honda's belong on streets getting high gas mileage with commuters behind the wheel. They belong nowhere else for no other purpose. I had one for 10 years. Great little daily driver.
05-07-2012, 12:18 PM
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Don't know what's so funny? I never said rotaries aren't cool. Oh and there are no fast Honda's out there. Only super fast rotaries.
Good insight. Only intelligent post I've seen thus far.
No actually, this one's mine.
Puts out numbers you could only dream of in your renesis.
Isn't that the point of being a car enthusiast? If I wanted to buy a car that came with performance I'd be satisfied with, I'd go buy a GTR and not do a single thing to it. That wouldn't be any fun.
Oh you again? Jesus, did you even finish high school? I don't even like civics...
Good insight. Only intelligent post I've seen thus far.
No actually, this one's mine.
Puts out numbers you could only dream of in your renesis.
Isn't that the point of being a car enthusiast? If I wanted to buy a car that came with performance I'd be satisfied with, I'd go buy a GTR and not do a single thing to it. That wouldn't be any fun.
Oh you again? Jesus, did you even finish high school? I don't even like civics...
I like this game. This is my other car.
1200HP at the crank, stock.
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05-07-2012, 12:23 PM
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No actually, this one's mine.
Puts out numbers you could only dream of in your renesis.
stock for stock how much power you are making again?
if you wanna talk about modified, someone already making 450 rwhp on Renesis. on a 1.3L engine, mmm what is urs again ?
Isn't that the point of being a car enthusiast? If I wanted to buy a car that came with performance I'd be satisfied with, I'd go buy a GTR and not do a single thing to it. That wouldn't be any fun.
Oh you again? Jesus, did you even finish high school? I don't even like civics...
05-07-2012, 12:29 PM
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All you're concentrating on is mo'powwa.
The RX-8 is not a mo' powwa car.
Its forte is handling.
But we do understand why you are here, hoping someone here will give you the green light to shove a Honda engine into an RX-8.
Honda makes dull cars.
The outside looks dull.
The interiors look dull.
The owners are typically quite dull.
The dealers are just as dull.
But for some reason, certain people seem to think that taking one of their dull engine's, replacing every single internal part with heavy duty stuff, and then slapping a big old turbo on it suddenly makes a dull engine not dull anymore.
Then, they have a dull car with an expensive engine in it, to try and make up for all the dullness. Then they realize that their car is still dull, and start looking for other cars. Just like you, they find the RX-8.
They automatically assume that the RX-8's engine is dull, and a Honda engine would be better, as long as there's a Honda engine, with a big old turbo powering it instead of the Rotary engine. Somehow, you think putting $6k into a Honda engine, and then spending another $10k+ on getting that Honda engine to fit and work inside of an RX-8 is better than pumping that same $16k+ into an RX-8 engine.
Then they get mad that people on the RX-8 forum tell them its better if they leave their Honda motor inside of a Honda, and then you wind up with a thread just like this one.
You have two choices:
Go back to you normal Honda powered car groups, and stay there.
Move on to a different engine design, and learn something about the rotary engine, and learn why the RX-8 was designed with it, instead of a piston engine, and why we're trying to get through to you that you should stick with the Renesis engine if you do buy an RX-8.
BC.
05-07-2012, 12:30 PM
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I used to have a 2000 Civic EX. It's little 1.6 liter engine produced 127 horsepower. The SI version (which was the "fast" one) was 160 hp.
A high horsepower Civic has 2 very large problems that are tough to correct. One is that it is wrong wheel drive....err....I mean front wheel drive. The second problem is that it's a Civic. I'm going to send this in to this website: http://www.anti-rice.com/
Silly ricers.
A high horsepower Civic has 2 very large problems that are tough to correct. One is that it is wrong wheel drive....err....I mean front wheel drive. The second problem is that it's a Civic. I'm going to send this in to this website: http://www.anti-rice.com/
Silly ricers.
05-07-2012, 02:48 PM
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Why is it funny? cuz we're looking at an idiot. we all having fun, ya know ?
ahhh It's a Civic? oh ****, I just pee in my pants.
post out numbers of your stock Civics, Oh wait, What? ur 1985 Civic DX only made 50 fwhp??? ****.
stock for stock how much power you are making again?
if you wanna talk about modified, someone already making 450 rwhp on Renesis. on a 1.3L engine, mmm what is urs again ?
I surely did, and that's how I know Honda sucks. Cuz Honda is for ppl who can't even finish high school = you.
ahhh It's a Civic? oh ****, I just pee in my pants.
post out numbers of your stock Civics, Oh wait, What? ur 1985 Civic DX only made 50 fwhp??? ****.
stock for stock how much power you are making again?
if you wanna talk about modified, someone already making 450 rwhp on Renesis. on a 1.3L engine, mmm what is urs again ?
I surely did, and that's how I know Honda sucks. Cuz Honda is for ppl who can't even finish high school = you.
05-07-2012, 02:54 PM
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Okay, if owning and driving a GTR isn't any fun, then YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
All you're concentrating on is mo'powwa.
The RX-8 is not a mo' powwa car.
Its forte is handling.
But we do understand why you are here, hoping someone here will give you the green light to shove a Honda engine into an RX-8.
Honda makes dull cars.
The outside looks dull.
The interiors look dull.
The owners are typically quite dull.
The dealers are just as dull.
But for some reason, certain people seem to think that taking one of their dull engine's, replacing every single internal part with heavy duty stuff, and then slapping a big old turbo on it suddenly makes a dull engine not dull anymore.
Then, they have a dull car with an expensive engine in it, to try and make up for all the dullness. Then they realize that their car is still dull, and start looking for other cars. Just like you, they find the RX-8.
They automatically assume that the RX-8's engine is dull, and a Honda engine would be better, as long as there's a Honda engine, with a big old turbo powering it instead of the Rotary engine. Somehow, you think putting $6k into a Honda engine, and then spending another $10k+ on getting that Honda engine to fit and work inside of an RX-8 is better than pumping that same $16k+ into an RX-8 engine.
Then they get mad that people on the RX-8 forum tell them its better if they leave their Honda motor inside of a Honda, and then you wind up with a thread just like this one.
You have two choices:
Go back to you normal Honda powered car groups, and stay there.
Move on to a different engine design, and learn something about the rotary engine, and learn why the RX-8 was designed with it, instead of a piston engine, and why we're trying to get through to you that you should stick with the Renesis engine if you do buy an RX-8.
BC.
All you're concentrating on is mo'powwa.
The RX-8 is not a mo' powwa car.
Its forte is handling.
But we do understand why you are here, hoping someone here will give you the green light to shove a Honda engine into an RX-8.
Honda makes dull cars.
The outside looks dull.
The interiors look dull.
The owners are typically quite dull.
The dealers are just as dull.
But for some reason, certain people seem to think that taking one of their dull engine's, replacing every single internal part with heavy duty stuff, and then slapping a big old turbo on it suddenly makes a dull engine not dull anymore.
Then, they have a dull car with an expensive engine in it, to try and make up for all the dullness. Then they realize that their car is still dull, and start looking for other cars. Just like you, they find the RX-8.
They automatically assume that the RX-8's engine is dull, and a Honda engine would be better, as long as there's a Honda engine, with a big old turbo powering it instead of the Rotary engine. Somehow, you think putting $6k into a Honda engine, and then spending another $10k+ on getting that Honda engine to fit and work inside of an RX-8 is better than pumping that same $16k+ into an RX-8 engine.
Then they get mad that people on the RX-8 forum tell them its better if they leave their Honda motor inside of a Honda, and then you wind up with a thread just like this one.
You have two choices:
Go back to you normal Honda powered car groups, and stay there.
Move on to a different engine design, and learn something about the rotary engine, and learn why the RX-8 was designed with it, instead of a piston engine, and why we're trying to get through to you that you should stick with the Renesis engine if you do buy an RX-8.
BC.
Saying that Honda's are dull cars is purely an opinion. I didn't come here for opinions, for bashing, or to argue. I don't care if you like RWD over FWD, I don't care if you like 4 cylinders, 8 cylinders, or rotaries, I don't care if you dislike Honda's. To each their own.
My original question was asking if anyone has ever done it before. You guys are posting irrelevant arguments.
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05-07-2012, 03:01 PM
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Those who can, do. Those who can't, go piston.
Keep Honda engines where they belong. In Honda's! The same goes for LS conversions. They exist so they can move overly heavy fat American cars around all day. The reason to have a rotary car is to have a rotary! That's it. Honda's belong on streets getting high gas mileage with commuters behind the wheel. They belong nowhere else for no other purpose. I had one for 10 years. Great little daily driver.
Keep Honda engines where they belong. In Honda's! The same goes for LS conversions. They exist so they can move overly heavy fat American cars around all day. The reason to have a rotary car is to have a rotary! That's it. Honda's belong on streets getting high gas mileage with commuters behind the wheel. They belong nowhere else for no other purpose. I had one for 10 years. Great little daily driver.
Agreed. Honda's are for daily commuters. Even my V6 Accord is only suited to commute or travel fully loaded yet have some power to actually move forward.
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I used to have a 2000 Civic EX. It's little 1.6 liter engine produced 127 horsepower. The SI version (which was the "fast" one) was 160 hp.
A high horsepower Civic has 2 very large problems that are tough to correct. One is that it is wrong wheel drive....err....I mean front wheel drive. The second problem is that it's a Civic. I'm going to send this in to this website: http://www.anti-rice.com/
Silly ricers.
A high horsepower Civic has 2 very large problems that are tough to correct. One is that it is wrong wheel drive....err....I mean front wheel drive. The second problem is that it's a Civic. I'm going to send this in to this website: http://www.anti-rice.com/
Silly ricers.
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Hmm... You just called the Mazdaspeed body kit (a kit which is proven to have aerodynamic benefits, as well as improved cooling through greater airflow) a ricer kit, and seemingly ignored the thousands of Civic rust-buckets-with-ziptied-body kits around...
I don't expect the reception to your ideas will improve at all at this point.
I don't expect the reception to your ideas will improve at all at this point.
05-07-2012, 03:28 PM
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Why not ?
Saying that Honda's are dull cars is purely an opinion. I didn't come here for opinions, for bashing, or to argue. I don't care if you like RWD over FWD, I don't care if you like 4 cylinders, 8 cylinders, or rotaries, I don't care if you dislike Honda's. To each their own.
Honda has been going down hill since S2000 days, all their cars are DULL/BORING, just like Toyota, in some case, worst. they have no idea which direction they should go. No characters.
My original question was asking if anyone has ever done it before. You guys are posting irrelevant arguments.
As far as we know, nope.
Why? Cuz it's fuxking retarded to do so.
Not because of Swap or whatever, the point is why would you want to swap something that does not even give you a lot of benefits?
LMAOLOROFLCOPTER HAHAHAHAHAHA so f-king true.
I was talking about putting a RWD Honda engine into a Rx8. Why are you talking about civics and FWD? Plus, you are using the term 'ricer' wrong. It's not about what car you have, it's about what you do to it. Rx8 owners have more 'rice' than any Honda guys I know. Half of you guys have a mazdaspeed body kit or something similar, and a lot of you have wings. But I still don't call you guys 'ricers' because it's a silly insult. If someone enjoys being a ricer, so be it.
Why would you want to go thru all the commotions to swap some RWD honda parts into the RX-8? too much time? too much money? or just to show people that it can be done ?
if u have too much time and money, well then go ahead, we will just sit back and laugh at you.
but if u just wanna show people that it can be done, then I have to call you a fuxking moron, cuz with enough money, anything could be done, no need you or anybody to "proof" it.
and how is buying Factory-made body parts rice????
I find it hard to understand Honda-tard's logic, it fails so much, I don't know man, can I give up ?
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05-07-2012, 03:29 PM
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I was talking about putting a RWD Honda engine into a Rx8. Why are you talking about civics and FWD? Plus, you are using the term 'ricer' wrong. It's not about what car you have, it's about what you do to it. Rx8 owners have more 'rice' than any Honda guys I know. Half of you guys have a mazdaspeed body kit or something similar, and a lot of you have wings. But I still don't call you guys 'ricers' because it's a silly insult. If someone enjoys being a ricer, so be it.
Mazdaspeed Kits being rice!?
I feel like Rick Grimes waking up to a fucked up post-apocalyptic *** backwards world...