Honda motor swap
05-05-2012, 07:59 PM
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Honda motor swap
I really want to buy an rx8 and swap the engine. I was thinking about putting a honda motor but I've never seen it done before.
I've seen a 1jz and 2jz which I'm leaning towards, but a honda engine would be cool because I'm familiar with them and would end up building the motor and slapping a large turbo on it.
Not interested in domestic engines.
I've seen a 1jz and 2jz which I'm leaning towards, but a honda engine would be cool because I'm familiar with them and would end up building the motor and slapping a large turbo on it.
Not interested in domestic engines.
05-05-2012, 09:39 PM
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i was gonna suggest the ls7 until u said that lol i wud go for a 20b bro. its a siick engine. 600hp is an accident with that engine. do ur homework tho, they sell kits and u can buy a fully built one for like 7g's. thats they way i wud go. honda motors in our car i dont think wud do to good. iv seen the 370 engine in there tho. thats another cool swap
but me, im all for the 20b
but me, im all for the 20b
05-06-2012, 02:55 AM
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Do you know what that means?
Thanks for the info, rotaries just aren't great engines. They are cool though.
Dear disciple, you have contributed nothing relevant or beneficial. Why would you say something so stupid? With that thinking, nobody would do motor swaps. Lol.
i was gonna suggest the ls7 until u said that lol i wud go for a 20b bro. its a siick engine. 600hp is an accident with that engine. do ur homework tho, they sell kits and u can buy a fully built one for like 7g's. thats they way i wud go. honda motors in our car i dont think wud do to good. iv seen the 370 engine in there tho. thats another cool swap
but me, im all for the 20b
but me, im all for the 20b
Dear disciple, you have contributed nothing relevant or beneficial. Why would you say something so stupid? With that thinking, nobody would do motor swaps. Lol.
05-06-2012, 03:05 AM
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there kinda is no point in this thread however an f20c/22c would be a proper swap 9k light weight etc. why use a such a new chassis for an experiment like that unless your rolling dough (money,stretch,paper,cheese, etc.) why not just use an old FC or S13/14?
05-06-2012, 09:29 AM
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I feel like your feeling that rotaries aren't great engines is because of how you're familiar with Honda's, as you say you are. I hope you're wearing your flame suit as the days go on for this.. I won't directly flame you, but as always, if you go through with it, I'll give you the props for doing so, but I won't say I'm a fan. But I do recognize hard work when I see it. Typically people talking of such swaps never go through with it once they realize all the work involved.
I have never heard of it being done. I've seen the swaps you've mentioned done, but no Honda ones. What were you planning on swapping in though? S2K powerplant? NSX?
Thinking about it, an MR Rx8 would be pretty unique at least. I think either of those would make the most sense personally, since we are talking about a rear wheel drive car. Don't make a FWD Rx8, lol.
I have never heard of it being done. I've seen the swaps you've mentioned done, but no Honda ones. What were you planning on swapping in though? S2K powerplant? NSX?
Thinking about it, an MR Rx8 would be pretty unique at least. I think either of those would make the most sense personally, since we are talking about a rear wheel drive car. Don't make a FWD Rx8, lol.
05-06-2012, 09:29 PM
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You started it with the stupid thing being posted.
Here, I'll show you:
I really want to buy an rx8 and swap the engine. I was thinking about putting a honda motor but I've never seen it done before.
I've seen a 1jz and 2jz which I'm leaning towards, but a honda engine would be cool because I'm familiar with them and would end up building the motor and slapping a large turbo on it.
Not interested in domestic engines.
I've seen a 1jz and 2jz which I'm leaning towards, but a honda engine would be cool because I'm familiar with them and would end up building the motor and slapping a large turbo on it.
Not interested in domestic engines.
How about instead of you automatically assuming that the RX-8 engine sucks, and you spend some time learning about it? You might as well do this research, because you're going to need to learn anyway if you decide to do an engine swap.
And to end my post, think about this:
Even if you can put a Honda engine into an RX-8, why would you really want to?
If you have to build up the engine, and then slap a turbo on it, doesn't that mean that the engine sucked to begin with if you had to make so many changes to it to get it to a state of likability?
Either choose a better, more interesting engine to swap in, stick with the Renesis engine, or don't bother buying the car.
BC.
05-06-2012, 10:57 PM
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That sounds awesome. Link? 
Hmm why was he banned? If I remember correctly was a popular, reliable member.
What do you mean? Not really rolling on dough... I'm sure I could get an rx8 with a bad motor for cheap.
Haha!
I don't mind being flamed. I was thinking more of a s2k engine, I never thought about an NSX engine but I don't even want to know the price of one. :P
Sweet man, ITR's are awesome, why would I want an electric motor though?
How was I bitching? I'm not really into internet arguing, but here we go:
1) I would want to because a piston engine is more flexible. I could change the internals, which I would have a wide selection to choose from. I could increase/decrease piston size, change camshafts, rods, valvetrain, anything. The rotary is only so limited on internal work. Plus, the only turbo kits I've seen for an RX go for $6,000+ why the hell would I want to spend $6,000 on a turbo kit?
2) If you have to build up the engine, and then slap a turbo on it, doesn't that mean that the engine sucked to begin with if you had to make so many changes to it to get it to a state of likability? That is such an ignorant thing to say. Any engine (with the exception of a rotary or a factory turbo'd car) that you plan on turboing, need to have changed internals so that you don't fry your rings, crack ringlands, spin a bearing, or destroy your cylinder walls.
3) Rotaries are very unique, which I admire the engineering of. However, it's pretty rare to see one with a lot of miles (I'm sure you could show me otherwise), but buying a RX8 with 90,xxx miles or similar, it just wouldn't be worth it. Where a Honda motor, in contrast, last well over 250,000 or even 300,000 miles.
4) Saying that I need a more interesting swap is completely opinion-based, and your opinions are rather biased.
I have always admired the external structure of the car, I find it to be one of the most beautiful cars out there.
I feel like your feeling that rotaries aren't great engines is because of how you're familiar with Honda's, as you say you are. I hope you're wearing your flame suit as the days go on for this.. I won't directly flame you, but as always, if you go through with it, I'll give you the props for doing so, but I won't say I'm a fan. But I do recognize hard work when I see it. Typically people talking of such swaps never go through with it once they realize all the work involved.
I have never heard of it being done. I've seen the swaps you've mentioned done, but no Honda ones. What were you planning on swapping in though? S2K powerplant? NSX?
Thinking about it, an MR Rx8 would be pretty unique at least. I think either of those would make the most sense personally, since we are talking about a rear wheel drive car. Don't make a FWD Rx8, lol.
I have never heard of it being done. I've seen the swaps you've mentioned done, but no Honda ones. What were you planning on swapping in though? S2K powerplant? NSX?
Thinking about it, an MR Rx8 would be pretty unique at least. I think either of those would make the most sense personally, since we are talking about a rear wheel drive car. Don't make a FWD Rx8, lol.
Why are you bitching?
You started it with the stupid thing being posted.
Here, I'll show you:
You started the stupid, he continued it.
How about instead of you automatically assuming that the RX-8 engine sucks, and you spend some time learning about it? You might as well do this research, because you're going to need to learn anyway if you decide to do an engine swap.
And to end my post, think about this:
Even if you can put a Honda engine into an RX-8, why would you really want to?
If you have to build up the engine, and then slap a turbo on it, doesn't that mean that the engine sucked to begin with if you had to make so many changes to it to get it to a state of likability?
Either choose a better, more interesting engine to swap in, stick with the Renesis engine, or don't bother buying the car.
BC.
You started it with the stupid thing being posted.
Here, I'll show you:
You started the stupid, he continued it.
How about instead of you automatically assuming that the RX-8 engine sucks, and you spend some time learning about it? You might as well do this research, because you're going to need to learn anyway if you decide to do an engine swap.
And to end my post, think about this:
Even if you can put a Honda engine into an RX-8, why would you really want to?
If you have to build up the engine, and then slap a turbo on it, doesn't that mean that the engine sucked to begin with if you had to make so many changes to it to get it to a state of likability?
Either choose a better, more interesting engine to swap in, stick with the Renesis engine, or don't bother buying the car.
BC.
1) I would want to because a piston engine is more flexible. I could change the internals, which I would have a wide selection to choose from. I could increase/decrease piston size, change camshafts, rods, valvetrain, anything. The rotary is only so limited on internal work. Plus, the only turbo kits I've seen for an RX go for $6,000+ why the hell would I want to spend $6,000 on a turbo kit?
2) If you have to build up the engine, and then slap a turbo on it, doesn't that mean that the engine sucked to begin with if you had to make so many changes to it to get it to a state of likability? That is such an ignorant thing to say. Any engine (with the exception of a rotary or a factory turbo'd car) that you plan on turboing, need to have changed internals so that you don't fry your rings, crack ringlands, spin a bearing, or destroy your cylinder walls.
3) Rotaries are very unique, which I admire the engineering of. However, it's pretty rare to see one with a lot of miles (I'm sure you could show me otherwise), but buying a RX8 with 90,xxx miles or similar, it just wouldn't be worth it. Where a Honda motor, in contrast, last well over 250,000 or even 300,000 miles.
4) Saying that I need a more interesting swap is completely opinion-based, and your opinions are rather biased.
I have always admired the external structure of the car, I find it to be one of the most beautiful cars out there.
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05-07-2012, 03:16 AM
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What do you mean? Not really rolling on dough... I'm sure I could get an rx8 with a bad motor for cheap.
I don't mind being flamed. I was thinking more of a s2k engine, I never thought about an NSX engine but I don't even want to know the price of one. :P
I have always admired the external structure of the car, I find it to be one of the most beautiful cars out there.
I don't mind being flamed. I was thinking more of a s2k engine, I never thought about an NSX engine but I don't even want to know the price of one. :P
I have always admired the external structure of the car, I find it to be one of the most beautiful cars out there.
If you want to drive an RX-8 with an S2k engine, try driving an S2k. They are very similar in feel and performance, in my opinion. I can understand wanting the looks of the RX-8 but that's a lot of effort for a swap like that. You'd be better off keeping sticking with a stock renesis or getting an S2k. If you're investing in a swap, it should probably be a more significant swap.
05-07-2012, 03:57 AM
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Honda Engines ? LOL
Rotary is not cool? LOL
20B > Any Honda Engines Any day, hell even 13B-REW > Anything Honda Offers anyday.
Honda is for kids who doesn't know better. or should I say, CAN'T HANDLE anything better.
I take a 2jz over ANYTHING Honda offers anyday. you failed.
Rotary is not cool? LOL
20B > Any Honda Engines Any day, hell even 13B-REW > Anything Honda Offers anyday.
Honda is for kids who doesn't know better. or should I say, CAN'T HANDLE anything better.
I take a 2jz over ANYTHING Honda offers anyday. you failed.
05-07-2012, 05:54 AM
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You are really going be shelling out a lot of money for any swap with the rx-8 from what I read so far. If you are not "rolling in the dough" I highly suggest getting a car that already has the engine option that you want. Preludes(Though not as good looking imo) with the fabled H22 make good power and are pretty solid. Perhaps instead of swapping an engine in the RX-8 you should consider some of your other options.
I know that making a switch to rotary is scary, but any engine is prone to failure at basically any time without proper maintenance. I suggest researching the rotary more, you can start by reading some of the FAQs for people considering rotary as they have really helped me a lot. It is true that there isn't a lot of aftermarket in the way of N/A for the rx8 that is actually effective but the Rx8 is not a straight line type of car.
Anyways, forgive my skepticism, but if you do the swap I'll give you props for it just because it's expensive and hard work. I will also say this though, and I hope you give this some serious consideration, if you do not have a lot of money and you dump like 4k-6k on an rx8 and then easily have to pay 9k for a swap, I have a feeling that you might regret it, especially if you have to take out a loan to do the swap. if you have to take out a loan for the swap then SAVE YOUR MONEY AND DO NOT DO IT. Just my 2 cents. Good luck!
I know that making a switch to rotary is scary, but any engine is prone to failure at basically any time without proper maintenance. I suggest researching the rotary more, you can start by reading some of the FAQs for people considering rotary as they have really helped me a lot. It is true that there isn't a lot of aftermarket in the way of N/A for the rx8 that is actually effective but the Rx8 is not a straight line type of car.
Anyways, forgive my skepticism, but if you do the swap I'll give you props for it just because it's expensive and hard work. I will also say this though, and I hope you give this some serious consideration, if you do not have a lot of money and you dump like 4k-6k on an rx8 and then easily have to pay 9k for a swap, I have a feeling that you might regret it, especially if you have to take out a loan to do the swap. if you have to take out a loan for the swap then SAVE YOUR MONEY AND DO NOT DO IT. Just my 2 cents. Good luck!
05-07-2012, 08:51 AM
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2) If you have to build up the engine, and then slap a turbo on it, doesn't that mean that the engine sucked to begin with if you had to make so many changes to it to get it to a state of likability? That is such an ignorant thing to say. Any engine (with the exception of a rotary or a factory turbo'd car) that you plan on turboing, need to have changed internals so that you don't fry your rings, crack ringlands, spin a bearing, or destroy your cylinder walls.
I know how much work goes into changing an engine internally for turbo or supercharging.
My question is WHY CHOOSE AN ENGINE THAT YOU HAVE TO DO ALL THIS WORK TO IN ORDER TO GET IT TO THE PERFORMANCE LEVEL YOU BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE AT IN THE FIRST PLACE???
That leads to a question of
WHY CHOOSE A CAR YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE ENGINE IN, AND THEN MASSIVELY MODIFY TO GET TO THE LEVEL OF PERFORMANCE THAT YOU THINK IT SHOULD HAVE?
By the time you add up all your money invested in this car, failed attempts at getting whatever god forsaken Honda engine dumped in it, failed attempts and fitting different transmissions and driveshafts in, and ultimately, having a worse handling and driving RX-8 than anyone who has a stock RX-8, you could have simply bought a better car.
Yes, the RX-8 looks nice, but part of the whole package is the engine, and the many benefits this engine has that enables the car to perform the way that it does.
Then again, you might be the type of person who can't think outside of their own limited experience. You know FWD Honda engines from Civics, and you might think they are the best engine on the planet, so naturally, you might want to dump it into anything that's better looking than a Honda Civic (pretty much every other car on the planet), because you might believe the Civic engine will make every other car better than it is.
BC.
05-07-2012, 09:07 AM
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oh man, that car park at the same ******* spot every f-king day, even the street cleaning rules happens between midnight to 3am, and when I'm out to work around 4 am (yes I work this early), the car is already moved and parked at the SAME EXACT SPOT ! it looks so shitty that it caught my attention, and decided I should take a pic of it and tell all the Honda Fanboys/girls That their Civic is ******* garbage.
mmm what? yes, all Honda fanboys/girls love Civic one way or another, even they drive a S2000, S2000 is great, Civic is not, it's a low end family cheap sedan but for some reason idiots think they are the fastest **** on earth.
****, yea u have a point, I better watch those hub caps, before vtec kicks in I better run my *** off.