Honda motor swap
05-07-2012, 03:36 PM
#51
For Example :
Not Rice at all !
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05-07-2012, 03:44 PM
#52
Wow now I have seen it all a ricelovintrollwannajackwithrx8ownerscauseiamdumb.. ..
f-this I am gonna sell my 8 and get a real sports car..this one should fit the bill...
http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/cto/3001639915.html
f-this I am gonna sell my 8 and get a real sports car..this one should fit the bill...
http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/cto/3001639915.html
05-07-2012, 03:50 PM
#53
Wow now I have seen it all a ricelovintrollwannajackwithrx8ownerscauseiamdumb.. ..
f-this I am gonna sell my 8 and get a real sports car..this one should fit the bill...
http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/cto/3001639915.html
f-this I am gonna sell my 8 and get a real sports car..this one should fit the bill...
http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/cto/3001639915.html
Needs tlc and someone to finish it up. Will make an awesome ride with just a little more work. Basically needs the front bumper installed and smoothing out the other panels to get ready for paint.
The engine needs the head installed but all of its there including new gaskets (complete gasket kit included)
I bought this with the head,intake manifold and throttle body missing and replaced all of it. Previous owner had it sent off to have it upgraded and never received it back.
Has racing 4 point bucket seats and six faze gauges as a kit already installed. The tranny was upgraded with a race clutch etc but not too sure the exact details.
Was a good running car before the head was removed to be upgraded. With a little effort and tlc this would be an awesome car for someone.
It also has pretty nice 18" rims so over all it's a good starting point. The wide body kit alone was almost $1,500
Have cash in hand and make an offer along with your name and number.
The engine needs the head installed but all of its there including new gaskets (complete gasket kit included)
I bought this with the head,intake manifold and throttle body missing and replaced all of it. Previous owner had it sent off to have it upgraded and never received it back.
Has racing 4 point bucket seats and six faze gauges as a kit already installed. The tranny was upgraded with a race clutch etc but not too sure the exact details.
Was a good running car before the head was removed to be upgraded. With a little effort and tlc this would be an awesome car for someone.
It also has pretty nice 18" rims so over all it's a good starting point. The wide body kit alone was almost $1,500
Have cash in hand and make an offer along with your name and number.
OH WOW. Not rice at all. and that **** is so worth it.
05-07-2012, 04:01 PM
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SSC Ultimate Aero. The car that dethroned the Veyron, till the SS version. The car has never been taken to it's actual top speed yet. But it is wind tunnel tested to over 270mph. The car actually does come with 1287HP stock.
http://www.sscnorthamerica.com/ultimate-aero.php
http://www.sscnorthamerica.com/ultimate-aero.php
05-07-2012, 04:26 PM
#56
Yet you post a picture of a civic.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_C...xth_generation)
05-07-2012, 05:22 PM
#59
You missed my point.
I know how much work goes into changing an engine internally for turbo or supercharging.
My question is WHY CHOOSE AN ENGINE THAT YOU HAVE TO DO ALL THIS WORK TO IN ORDER TO GET IT TO THE PERFORMANCE LEVEL YOU BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE AT IN THE FIRST PLACE???
That leads to a question of
WHY CHOOSE A CAR YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE ENGINE IN, AND THEN MASSIVELY MODIFY TO GET TO THE LEVEL OF PERFORMANCE THAT YOU THINK IT SHOULD HAVE?
By the time you add up all your money invested in this car, failed attempts at getting whatever god forsaken Honda engine dumped in it, failed attempts and fitting different transmissions and driveshafts in, and ultimately, having a worse handling and driving RX-8 than anyone who has a stock RX-8, you could have simply bought a better car.
Yes, the RX-8 looks nice, but part of the whole package is the engine, and the many benefits this engine has that enables the car to perform the way that it does.
Then again, you might be the type of person who can't think outside of their own limited experience. You know FWD Honda engines from Civics, and you might think they are the best engine on the planet, so naturally, you might want to dump it into anything that's better looking than a Honda Civic (pretty much every other car on the planet), because you might believe the Civic engine will make every other car better than it is.
BC.
I know how much work goes into changing an engine internally for turbo or supercharging.
My question is WHY CHOOSE AN ENGINE THAT YOU HAVE TO DO ALL THIS WORK TO IN ORDER TO GET IT TO THE PERFORMANCE LEVEL YOU BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE AT IN THE FIRST PLACE???
That leads to a question of
WHY CHOOSE A CAR YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE ENGINE IN, AND THEN MASSIVELY MODIFY TO GET TO THE LEVEL OF PERFORMANCE THAT YOU THINK IT SHOULD HAVE?
By the time you add up all your money invested in this car, failed attempts at getting whatever god forsaken Honda engine dumped in it, failed attempts and fitting different transmissions and driveshafts in, and ultimately, having a worse handling and driving RX-8 than anyone who has a stock RX-8, you could have simply bought a better car.
Yes, the RX-8 looks nice, but part of the whole package is the engine, and the many benefits this engine has that enables the car to perform the way that it does.
Then again, you might be the type of person who can't think outside of their own limited experience. You know FWD Honda engines from Civics, and you might think they are the best engine on the planet, so naturally, you might want to dump it into anything that's better looking than a Honda Civic (pretty much every other car on the planet), because you might believe the Civic engine will make every other car better than it is.
BC.
why not do this swap? a guy in one of my lectures tried to convince me to f20 swap my rx8 but i love the rotary a bit too much to give it up for an extra 5-10 mpg + im sure it would ruin that perfect weight distribution we've got.
05-07-2012, 05:32 PM
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Insistent, trying to clearly make a point, and trying to emphasize that the OP can get his goals much easier and more readily with a different chassis that is already quite far along.
But not angry.
Maybe you meant NYCGPS
05-07-2012, 05:36 PM
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This has been bothering me all day.
Are you attempting to show how viable it is to have an engine that puts out less than 80 horsepower for over half of it's rev range, and then spikes to over 300 horsepower for the rest? And only to the front wheels...
Are you saying that we should dream about only being able to put down 70 ft/lbs of torque for over 3,500 RPM of rev range?
Are you attempting to show how viable it is to have an engine that puts out less than 80 horsepower for over half of it's rev range, and then spikes to over 300 horsepower for the rest? And only to the front wheels...
Are you saying that we should dream about only being able to put down 70 ft/lbs of torque for over 3,500 RPM of rev range?
05-07-2012, 05:40 PM
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05-07-2012, 05:42 PM
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it is a huge factor when owning an rx8 in the u.k, with fuel being £1.41 per litre. when you have a blown rotary and have to spend a couple thousand £ getting it rebuilt, why wouldn't you consider the other options? when i was talking about it, it was just a mere conversation not going too far into the implications of the entire process.
05-07-2012, 05:44 PM
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it is a huge factor when owning an rx8 in the u.k, with fuel being £1.41 per litre. when you have a blown rotary and have to spend a couple thousand £ getting it rebuilt, why wouldn't you consider the other options? when i was talking about it, it was just a mere conversation not going too far into the implications of the entire process.
05-07-2012, 05:46 PM
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it is a huge factor when owning an rx8 in the u.k, with fuel being £1.41 per litre. when you have a blown rotary and have to spend a couple thousand £ getting it rebuilt, why wouldn't you consider the other options? when i was talking about it, it was just a mere conversation not going too far into the implications of the entire process.
The math just doesn't make any sense
if you're doing it for "I can do it" factor, sure. if you want to save some mpg, then I have to say no.
05-07-2012, 05:47 PM
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I think that's a perfect example of a "dyno queen", and not at all appealing.
05-07-2012, 06:56 PM
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I would say it will cost more than DOUBLE to get a F20C (if that's what you're talking about) into the RX-8. That's assuming you can do most of the work yourself. not to mention, what happens if something goes wrong down the path? it will cost even more to fix (and more time) cuz it's a swap. Most people sell their "1337 swap" back out simply because they can't handle the cost anymore.
The math just doesn't make any sense
if you're doing it for "I can do it" factor, sure. if you want to save some mpg, then I have to say no.
The math just doesn't make any sense
if you're doing it for "I can do it" factor, sure. if you want to save some mpg, then I have to say no.
05-07-2012, 07:08 PM
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i have no idea what the relative costs would be putting the engine in, but i have seen many failed engine swaps before mostly jap engines into 3 series the hardest part being.. well getting it to run with the electronics. but the conversation of doing the swap was purely hypothetical with the chance of me actually doing it.. well nil. if i ever did have thousands of disposable monies to throw around for an engine swap i doubt id be b*tching about fuel costs at all!
Engine cost + custom material cost + labor cost = total cost
Engine will run couple grand, custom material means raw material to make a bracket, expect to fail a dozen time to try to get the right measurement. but the real killer is the labor cost, if you can't do it yourself and hire some "professional" to do it, hoho, assume they charge you 100 bux an hour. even at just 50 hours will cost you 5K. what about tuning? you obviously need Standalone EMS, and you will get all kinds of funny CEL with the standalone EMS, more labor cost (and more part cost)
yeah ...
05-07-2012, 07:20 PM
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Cost estimates (in USD)
Swapping a 20B into the RX-8: $20,000 to $30,000
Swapping a 13B REW into the RX-8 (same dimensions, basic engine eternal points): $15,000
Swapping a 13b MSP into the NB Miata: $10,000 to $12,000
Swapping an LSx into the RX-8: $25,000 to $35,000
Costs reduced incrementally the more you can do yourself, increased if you add things like engine rebuilds to the engine going in. It's not really based on the power the engine makes, just how different the engine going in is from the engine coming out. It could cost you nearly the same to put in a V8 as to put in an I4, simply because of how much different they are from a rotary.
No one does a swap for a financial benefit. None.
Swapping a 20B into the RX-8: $20,000 to $30,000
Swapping a 13B REW into the RX-8 (same dimensions, basic engine eternal points): $15,000
Swapping a 13b MSP into the NB Miata: $10,000 to $12,000
Swapping an LSx into the RX-8: $25,000 to $35,000
Costs reduced incrementally the more you can do yourself, increased if you add things like engine rebuilds to the engine going in. It's not really based on the power the engine makes, just how different the engine going in is from the engine coming out. It could cost you nearly the same to put in a V8 as to put in an I4, simply because of how much different they are from a rotary.
No one does a swap for a financial benefit. None.
05-07-2012, 07:37 PM
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I'm going to go over to a Corvette forum and ask about doing a rotary swap into one. I'm sure those guys will fully understand the question and logic behind it! What's to understand?
