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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by vyndictive
also, i fixed wikipedia to say what i want now.
in the wankel engine, also called a rotary engine, the rotors drive the eccentric shaft, which could be considered the equivalent of the crankshaft in a piston engine, but not really.
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 02:36 PM
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camshafts drive the valves of a piston engine. rotaries have no valves.

if i am not mistaken, the eccentric shaft connects to the flywheel like a crankshaft would. thus making them more similar. so, yes DB, in this case, wikipedia is more right than wrong.

LOL Vyn on the addition to wiki...

and where's jon in all this conversation?
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Shinka_MJR
and where's jon in all this conversation?
Probably wondering why the **** there's a discussion about camshafts/crankshafts going on in this forum.

It's an e-shaft. It doesn't act like a camshaft or a crankshaft.
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Shinka_MJR
God i hate to do this to you bro... lol



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crankshaft#Rotary_engines

next time, don't pick on ym hatch =p

no hard feelings... i'll buy ya a beer friday.

I don't care what Wiki says. An eccentric shaft is closer to a camshaft then a crankshaft, appearance and function wise.....

A camshaft has eccentric lobes on it.... a crankshaft does not....


I'll still take your beer on friday
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 02:45 PM
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Shinka_MJR
camshafts drive the valves of a piston engine. rotaries have no valves.

if i am not mistaken, the eccentric shaft connects to the flywheel like a crankshaft would. thus making them more similar. so, yes DB, in this case, wikipedia is more right than wrong.

LOL Vyn on the addition to wiki...

and where's jon in all this conversation?
By your logic:

Crankshafts move the rods that are connected to the pistons. Rotaries have no pistons or rods.

And if I'm not mistaken by the picture I just posted, the eccentric shaft has eccentric lobes on it, much like a camshaft, thus making it more similar. So in this case, wiki is wrong.



I'm having fun with this
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by RK
Probably wondering why the **** there's a discussion about camshafts/crankshafts going on in this forum.

It's an e-shaft. It doesn't act like a camshaft or a crankshaft.
Shut up with your logic Ryan!!!! Can't you see we are trying to pass time here with a completely irrelevant conversation that has absolutely nothing to do with actual real life facts and is all based upon a matter of misinterpreted opinion
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 03:04 PM
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On our next topic in the series "**** that we're talking about even though our cars don't have them" we're going to discuss the following exciting topics in this special feature including:

"the pros and cons of front wheel drive"

"Valves: Natures velvet rope"

"Rear windows that roll down... who cares?"

And the series finale.... "Torque - why only hillbillies and the homeless need it"
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 03:08 PM
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I think there should be another topic involving timing belts and cable driven throttle bodies
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Vyndictive

"Rear windows that roll down... who cares?"
ROFL, tell that to the civic del Sol owners.


got yer lobes right here brian, lol



yick...
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 03:15 PM
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^^^Ok that's just wrong. How the hell are those gonna open my valves?
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Vyndictive
On our next topic in the series "**** that we're talking about even though our cars don't have them" we're going to discuss the following exciting topics in this special feature including:

"the pros and cons of front wheel drive"

"Valves: Natures velvet rope"

"Rear windows that roll down... who cares?"

And the series finale.... "Torque - why only hillbillies and the homeless need it"
I have torque.....
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 05:00 PM
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Man, what have I started??

I don't care what fagipedia says, MAZDA says it's a Doc...errr...eccentric shaft.() Since they made the damn thing they can call it whatever they want!

Whatever. I guess it passes the time.

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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Shinka_MJR
and where's jon in all this conversation?
Sitting back with my bag of popcorn enjoying the show.
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Danc
I have torque.....
Pics of completed project or it never happened!

(we will also accept in-person proofing on Friday)

Also superchargers get more torque.

Neener.
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Vyndictive
I'll sell you "some" of the system for that price.
Hmmmph. I'll let Jon work on you.
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by tony_673
Hmmmph. I'll let Jon work on you.
Haven't I done enough work with Steve's car already?
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by RK
Pics of completed project or it never happened!

(we will also accept in-person proofing on Friday)

Also superchargers get more torque.

Neener.
I like the second option more. I'm trying to figure out if I have a boost leak or my turbo is supposed to whine like a banshee. I should get some video of that..
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Danc
I like the second option more. I'm trying to figure out if I have a boost leak or my turbo is supposed to whine like a banshee. I should get some video of that..

I don't want to be that guy, but did you buy that turbo second hand?

If so....... did you check the shaft play in the turbo? 6-8 times out of 10 the reason a turbo is screaming is because the bearings are ****. If it is howling like you say it is then I would suspect the bearings are shot on it. Obviously this is just me speculating over the internet, and I would want to hear it first hand, but if it sounds like a twin screw supercharger then I would be extremely cautious of running it hard.

Now, I'm not trying to sound like a dick here, so don't take it that way, but we had a guy on a local forum with an MS3 that didn't listen to me no matter how much I told him he was wrong, and he ended up popping his motor on his MS3. I've been dicking with boosted cars for well over 10 year now and now have a decent amount of know how with how this **** works. If you need someone to come out and lend a hand then by all means let me know. I'll be glad to help you get this thing running proper. It very well could be something as simple as an oil line that isn't giving enough flow to the turbo.

Hit me up if you keep having problems.
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tiresmoker
I don't want to be that guy, but did you buy that turbo second hand?

If so....... did you check the shaft play in the turbo? 6-8 times out of 10 the reason a turbo is screaming is because the bearings are ****. If it is howling like you say it is then I would suspect the bearings are shot on it. Obviously this is just me speculating over the internet, and I would want to hear it first hand, but if it sounds like a twin screw supercharger then I would be extremely cautious of running it hard.

Now, I'm not trying to sound like a dick here, so don't take it that way, but we had a guy on a local forum with an MS3 that didn't listen to me no matter how much I told him he was wrong, and he ended up popping his motor on his MS3. I've been dicking with boosted cars for well over 10 year now and now have a decent amount of know how with how this **** works. If you need someone to come out and lend a hand then by all means let me know. I'll be glad to help you get this thing running proper. It very well could be something as simple as an oil line that isn't giving enough flow to the turbo.

Hit me up if you keep having problems.
Yep, second hand. Yes checked the shaft play and very little, if any, movement. I did find a minor leak in the oil return line today, but I fixed that up. I took some vids I'll see if they are any good and if so I'll post them.

More importantly, this only occurs under heavier throttle above 8psi or so. I'm just not flooring it for the time being.

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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 07:51 AM
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We weren't buckled up in that first video....


You should know better.

"Click it or ticket"

Turbo Sounds good though...
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 08:16 AM
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ROFL! Go Steve!
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 09:00 AM
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i watched both videos half dozen times each and couldnt discern anything that sounded bad or wrong. Though i do not make any claims to be a "turbo expert". i thought it sounded fine.

Brian (tiresmoker) would be the better judge i think.
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 09:29 AM
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You're gonna be at the boneyard on Friday right? If so I want to get a better listen at it then.

It sounded like there was a little something extra instead of just your "normal" turbo whistle. It was hard to tell though in the video, just because cameras obviously don't pick up all the sound that an ear would be able to hear.

I have a few more things to add to this but I gotta run out in the shop real quick. When I get back I'll elaborate.
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 11:50 AM
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ok lets see here. Essentially your turbo will be a lower pitch whistle upon spool up. Once it is spooled the pitch changes and it gets higher, that being said.....

One of the first things I would check is your oil feed line. Make sure there isn't a restriction (blockage in the line, kink in the line, etc..) Also make sure the little screen at the end of the line at the fitting on the turbo is clean (if there even is a screen) Basically when a turbo starts to lose oil pressure the bearing will heat up and howl like a sonofabitch.

Second. Make sure you don't have an exhaust leak at the downpipe to turbo exhaust housing. If you have one that will definately increase the turbo noise, since you are basically dumping exhaust right at the turbo and not routing it properly.

Third. Check all your piping. Make sure nothing has come loose. Are you using t-bolt clamps or regular hose clamps? Do the pipes have bead rolled ends on them? This is just good measure to do considering that some stuff will come loose typically after the first run or two (engine movement, stuff settling and adjusting itself...)



I almost wouldn't suspect a leak (air wise) unless you notice boost falling off or vacuum to be off/fluctuating.

Like I said, without being able to get a clear sample of what it sounds like (basically in person) I couldn't tell you if it is no big deal or if it is something to worry about. I'll take a good listen on friday. If I can think of anything else I'll be sure to post up.
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