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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by DeViLbOi
I did not lock the VFAD open. I will need to read up on that one some more before i do it because if I remember correctly it hurts throttle response on the low end which is what I wanted to increase.
hurts throttle response.... really?
So does that mean that everyone who removed their VFAD is screwed

Also, you don't need to "lock" it open.
The valve only closes when 10psi of vacuum is applied to the actuator.
Simply disconnecting the hose somewhere between the actuator and the solenoid is good enough (since vacuum is always kept in the line with a vacuum chamber and one-way valve).
But feel free to read-up on it if you want.

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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 07:15 AM
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Wait did I miss something? Removing baffles in the airbox increases throttle response? Like how much? If it's a decent amout then I am going to do this.

I reallly need to look around the forum more.
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by tiresmoker
Wait did I miss something? Removing baffles in the airbox increases throttle response?
Here is the DIY:
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...ghlight=intake

Originally Posted by tiresmoker
Like how much? If it's a decent amout then I am going to do this.
Hey... its free, just don't expect much.
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 08:14 AM
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Brian - it is night and day. I highly recommend doing it ASAP. For the two screws that you remove it was well worth the mod. I did not have to reset my ECU like the DIY said. I did not remove the screens like the DIY had suggested so maybe that is why the tone didn't change or require the ECU reset.

Jon - I don't remember where I read it. I am going to read around and I might end up doing it when I get back from Indy. Went out this morning and thought that last night might have been just something mental with the response. NEWP! Car went from a blast to drive to being perfect. w00t w00t
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 08:17 AM
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But that mod is not BS legal..................................
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 08:20 AM
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John- I always say to people, "Its your car, do what makes you happy!"
And it sounds like you are happy with the mod so I won't say anything.

As far as the VFAD goes, if you disconnect the vacuum line from the VFAD and find out that you "lost low end torque", you can simply reconnect it.
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 08:30 AM
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Jon - That requires me to know where said vacuum line is. :P Car is off getting detailed now but I'll play with it later.
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 08:35 AM
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If you had your airbox out, you probably saw it laying on top of the undertray
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DeViLbOi
Jon - That requires me to know where said vacuum line is. :P Car is off getting detailed now but I'll play with it later.
Paying someone to clean your car....

Sellout...
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by docgatorx8er
But that mod is not BS legal..................................

Don't you have an AP for Red Racer? that's not BS legal

And I guess it's a good thing I'm not in BS. sweet.

Jon, thanks for the link. If I feel up to it after my hockey game tonight I may try this out.
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Vyndictive
Paying someone to clean your car....

Sellout...
Exterior detail...and yes...I didn't feel like waxing my car 3 times today back to back.
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Jon316G
If you had your airbox out, you probably saw it laying on top of the undertray
There was nothing on the undertray when I took it out. Is it the 1/8" hose that was always seeming to be in the way?
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by tiresmoker
Don't you have an AP for Red Racer? that's not BS legal
ACTUALLY because it is a tuning device, and not a mechanical change, it is legal.........

Now you owe me a beer. Or I owe you a beer. Or, Oh heck, let's just go get beers.

(This post does not condone the use of alcohol in any way and is intended for the recipient so intended)
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 10:07 AM
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i did that DIY last fall. seemed to work just as explained. I didn't remove the screens though. not so sure i'd want to. i thinkt he DIY recommends one but not both. dont remember and dont care enough to look it up. mine are still in place though. If you're going to do the DIY, i recommend also dropping in a new K&N filter and dump the pos oem one that is in there right now.
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by DeViLbOi
There was nothing on the undertray when I took it out. Is it the 1/8" hose that was always seeming to be in the way?
Simple answer, yeah. That would be the line going to the VFAD
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by docgatorx8er
ACTUALLY because it is a tuning device, and not a mechanical change, it is legal.........
Not quite Doc.

http://cms.scca.com/documents/Solo_R...Solo_Rules.pdf

13.9 ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
A. The make of spark plugs, points, ignition coil and high tension
wires is unrestricted including spark plug wires having an in-line
capacitor.
B. On cars made prior to January 1, 1968, any ignition system
using a standard distributor without modification may be used.
C. Ignition settings may not be adjusted outside factory specifications.
D. No changes are permitted to electronic engine management
systems or their programming.


AP maps should not be used when you're running.
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 10:16 AM
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I thought we were talking about beer.............
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by docgatorx8er
ACTUALLY because it is a tuning device, and not a mechanical change, it is legal.........

Now you owe me a beer. Or I owe you a beer. Or, Oh heck, let's just go get beers.

(This post does not condone the use of alcohol in any way and is intended for the recipient so intended)
Really? I always thought that retuning the car wasn't legal in stock classes. Weird...

Either way, who really cares right?

We can all have beers at the next meet!

*Disclaimer: I am not advocating the consumption of alcoholic beverages before operating a motor vehicle. Caution should be exercised before said consuption occurs so that the proper measures have been taken to obtain a sober driver behind the wheel of said motor vehicle*
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by tiresmoker
Simple answer, yeah. That would be the line going to the VFAD
If I only knew what the vfad looked like. :P
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DeViLbOi
If I only knew what the vfad looked like. :P

One sec.... Here are pic of VFAD. You'd have to remove your bumper to see it, or take out your airbox stick your head in the hole and look towards the front of your car.


also, there is a nipple that you cap off behind the throttle body. Remember the one Ryan's car that I found that didn't have the cap on it at Nelsons Ledges, causing him a vacuum leak? That is what you cap off. Or you could just cut the line and cap it, but it is easier just to remove it and cap it after the throttle body.
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by DeViLbOi
If I only knew what the vfad looked like. :P
Ya know the VFAD vacuum line is the one I didn't 'plug' after I changed out my intake. There should be a pic in this thread where it needs to be plugged against the throttle body. There is a line from the throttle body (if you're standing in front of your car looking at the engine it comes out under the right side of the throttle body). That rubber line goes under/over the intake duct and into the intake itself.

That's the VFAD vacuum line. I'll see if I can find a pic of the cap I have where my VFAD used to be.

EDIT: Here's an image of the intake from this thread. No idea what post it was in but my money is that this is a Jon post.



The dashed line that ends in the throttle body is your VFAD vacuum line.

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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 10:32 AM
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Jon said you just had to disconnect the VFAD vacuum line to have it stay open. No capping...just unplugging. Which is why i think it is that little one that I kept moving around last night. When I get my car back this afternoon I will snap a picture of it and post it to make sure Im doing the right hose.
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by DeViLbOi
Jon said you just had to disconnect the VFAD vacuum line to have it stay open. No capping...just unplugging. Which is why i think it is that little one that I kept moving around last night. When I get my car back this afternoon I will snap a picture of it and post it to make sure Im doing the right hose.
You need to cap it or you will have a vacuum leak which will throw a CEL and potentially cause your car to have worse performance then with the VFAD.
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 11:03 AM
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Speaking of AutoX I think I'm out from Eastlake this Sunday. Too much to do and it's 50/50 it'll rain. Plus I'm still (slowly) leaking coolant which is generally not advisable in autocrossing.
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Jon316G
Simply disconnecting the hose somewhere between the actuator and the solenoid is good enough (since vacuum is always kept in the line with a vacuum chamber and one-way valve).
See...no capping. I assume that this means I have to get the hose between the vacuum valve thingy and the green vfad electrical connection. Yes?
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