bose

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I'm 99% sure it's unlimited tunes for a 6 month period, not just flat out unlimited tunes. That would be ridiculous.

jmc23200

^ Agreed

And Marcux, if you cant uninstall the AP calibration because your car wont run, how was it running before you got the calibration?

Mr.&Mrs.Magic

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NO SIR!! This rule came into effect mths after I ordered my AP and only because the amount of tune request did become RIDICULOUS.

jmc23200- he just added a turbo thats why it doesn't run any longer

jmc23200

He could always try TDC Tuning in Concord, NH. I know they do Cobb AP work their. You would think the person installing the Turbo could get it to function properly though. May not have been the best of choices on the installer.

There is also KTR Performance in Ayer, MA and ESP in Sterling, MA. Don't know if they know about the 8 but I do know they do/use to do Cobb AP work. Just to name a couple.

Mr.&Mrs.Magic

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Do they do AP tunning for a rotary car? How can you blame the installer for a problem when he was told to buy the AP for EM and the turn around time was 2-3 days for tunes to make his vehical work?


SPEAKING TO SELF-"OK cool these places might be able to tune my car now I just have to figure out how to install the turbo and get it to drive there WITH NO FRIGGEN FI MAP!!!!"

jmc23200

I havent called to varify 8's but I know they do 7's at TDC. The others are just other Cobb AP places to check. He probablly hasnt even looked for one.

Anyway, I don't understand why you wouldnt go to a tuner to get the turbo isntalled in the first place, or atleast have another car you can use so waiting isnt a huge deal. IDK, we can agree to disagree.

bose

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You can drive an fi car without a map, ONLY if you DO NOT go into boost.

jmc23200

And dont hit 88 mph, or you will go back in time to when you didnt have the turbo

Mr.&Mrs.Magic

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like I said before for me it's not a problem and I do have another car to use.

Why would you have someone else put your turbo on as it's basically bolting on a few things and running a few lines not too difficult IMHO. Also i'm not a fan of paying for something i can do myself like adding a turbo but the tuning issue is a whole different ball game that i'm not willing to tackle.

And yes we can agree to disagree any time this is what the forum is for right?

marcux

Me and my local friend installed the turbo kit. He's been tuning for years. and I'm sure if you know anyone around the area, you probably know him. He's done tuning for synaptic 3 in the past. He's the perfect guy for the install, which went flawlessly. Problem is. he's a haltech guy. He suggested a different management system, but I wanted to use an access port because I wanted it done right.. I can't use stock tune, because of my intake. and not being able to go to boost, no thank you to blowing up my engine. I obviously seem like some complete idiot to you and never thought any of this out...

Kane

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Workin' on it.

Nemesis8

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Thumbs Up!

alienRX8

woot

Flashwing

Ok, I'm going to step outside of my realm as a BHR representative and instead come at this as a friend of Jeff's who has seen both sides of this issue.

Stop it, PLEASE just stop it. I seriously cannot take anymore of the whining, crying, complaining, moaning, and cry baby stuff I'm seeing in this thread. You are all adults so let's please act accordingly.

Everyone acts like they were duped into buying the accessport or that somehow you were forced into it. We both know that's not the truth. Nobody forced you to install those tuned calibrations, nobody forced you to install that turbo or supercharger without even having some kind of a base tune on hand.

As for not knowing the lingo or not understanding the process that's no excuse. I've spend the better part of 2 years researching, reading and working out the tuning process so I understood it. I refused to let Jeff tune my car unless I understood the in's and out's of what was happening. If I asked him what changes he made, I better understand because custom tuning brings about more responsibility.

There was always going to be a limited amount of tuning. Are you crazy enough to think that you were always going to get unlimited tunes? I suppose someone forgot to mention that when the 6 month restriction was imposed that EVERYONE was given a clean slate. So, many of you got a year's worth of tuning when you should have technically only gotten 6 months. No thanks for that one.

Part of the reason Hund is on board is to filter through the massive amounts of issues that come in via email. People sending incomplete logs, missing question information, logs that were taken with other calibrations than what was sent, missing calibrations, logs taken without warming the car up, logs taken in just one gear, logs taken without letting the STFT and LTFT settle in OR people asking daily "where is my accessport" or people demanding to know where their tune is an hour after sending in their information.

All of this distracts from the actual process of doing the tuning. Hund is here to straighten it out and it will be straigtened out. There are always options such as other services, or god forbid you learn to tune your car yourself...GASP!

I have watched this thread for months grow into this cry baby session and I simply could no longer sit by and be idle. I'm asking that you all give Hund and chance to turn things around and do so with a mature attitude.

I understand some of you have real complaints with issues beyond your control. However, crying over spilled milk doesn't clean up the mess. Let's worth together to resolve this situation.

Thank you for listening to my rant...we now resume our regular program.

PerSmitt

I think it would help tremendously if people could somehow get feedback on how far back in the queue they are. For example I have a track meet the 2nd of May where I would want to have at least the 10krpm limiter instead of 9 (That was the main reason why I bought the AP).

I sent in my logs a bit more than 3 weeks ago and got a confirmation email that they were received but nothing else. I would have liked to know that I am this far back in the queue and I can expect a new tune at this and that date.

Would that be possible to arrange in any way? I think it would take away a lot of complaining. I also think taking away the statement of 48 hours turnaround on the webpage would help making us understand. Right now that feels like false marketing.

neXib

Yeah, of course you are not to blame. How could you know that when he told us to attach the file, that he actually wanted it ATTACHED, right? If I tell you to send me a picture I'm fine with you sending me the source code of the picture in text format. Same thing

To be honest dude, a lot of us have seen all your posts in your process, and many of us also helped you along when you had questions or tried to steer you in the right direction. Everyone has got questions sometimes, but don't try to make it look like you've done everything correctly from the start. I have never waited more than 3 weeks for a new map, that was during the holidays, and the average has been a week. And I doubt I'm "special".

Also, you don't even need to open Excel to send him the maps if you do everything exactly in the logging.

PerSmitt

I see this from both sides. To someone who is not comp-savvy at all will see the word attach as the translation "brought together with the rest". For us who are used to emails we know attached is a "keyword" and has a very specific meaning.

Magic seems to have learned now and all is good from now on. Its easy to forget for us comp-wizards that there are people who don't find it as natural as us.

That is good news indeed for me. Then I hope I have a new tune pretty soon. (Unless it has fallen between the chairs somewhere along the line)

Mr.&Mrs.Magic

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Jeaasusss christ you guys a ******* morons.
Flashwing- No one is acting like a gun was put to their head wtf. We made a decision based on what we heard and were told and went with it. Think of going to a restaurant being told they have the best food in your area. Of course your going to go and check it out. Now when you get there and order your food imagine for 1 second that it takes 2 hours to get your meal. I'll bet your going to be a bit upset but of course if you say something about the wait your just bitching, whining, and crying right. Give me a damn break!
Believe me if I had some to help me learn how to tune my car I would be all for it but from my position and area it's without a question impossible. Not all of us have access to the master tuner like you do. Hell you just said you've been at it for 2 yrs and you have complete access to jeff. How do you expect someone to go it alone with tid bits of info from various people who's opinion differ from week to week. I guess some of us are just retards like me and that's why I save dumb asses from their selves everyday.
You say there was always a cap on the amount of tunes for the start I say B.S. you sir are a LIER. In the first 6 mths of release there was never a mention of a time cap. I suppose that why we went to war with Iraq right. To free them from saddam right, again B.S. It was for WMD's and nothing more. And your statement about lingo not being an excuses is also a pathetic attempt to cover someones butt for being a picky *******. I am done with you sir as you are a lier and no better than anyone else simply because you can tune a car. Some of us have more important endeavors like going to fight for you and save your life when you wrap your car around a pole.

Nexib- I have nothing much for you. Again how quickly you forget the past

onefatsurfer

I have a question about my logs. I just did my WOT runs and I realized the AP didn't actually start logging until i was at 3548 RPMS in 2nd gear. Is that low enough to get the majority of tuning and can be fixed in the next round? Or should I go back out after work and do another WOT run?

Mr.&Mrs.Magic

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Rember you have to follow MM's instruction to the letter anything else will be deleted with out discrimination.

ATTACHED means attached

Flashwing

Well congratulations sir as you've just lost your argument completly by making this a complete personal attack.

Flashwing

Starting your logs from about 3500 RPM's is just fine. That's where I have always done my logging. You are able to capture your fuel trims prior to going into open loop where the majority of the tuning is.

So, yes your logs would be fine at that rpm range. Ensure you have a 2nd and 3rd gear WOT log each, a cruise log following the instructions provided and if you can take an idle log that would help as well.

onefatsurfer

I should split up the 2nd and 3rd gear WOT logs? I did them all in one log.. Not a big deal, I'm a whiz with excel

Flashwing

It's easier IMO to do two seperate logs. I'll do a WOT in 2nd, slow down to 3500 RPM's and do a WOT in 3rd gear with a seperate log.

Having them in one log should be fine as you can still tell the difference.

You shouldn't have to do anything within excel if the logs are done right. If anything, I just label the logs "2nd gear", "3rd gear" etc. to make sure there's no mixup.

PerSmitt

Ok, I'm confused now. When I took my logs the instructions were to keep it at 4200 RPM for 30+ seconds. I did not take any WOT logs. What did I miss?