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Old 03-26-2008, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by joff
(I was that Pettit 6 port owner)

It went great! The AP tune seems perfect and once in boost, holds such a steady 11.0 AFR that I almost don't believe it true. Have about 75 miles logged so far with it and no LTFT and STFT is also about spot on (+- only a few percent). Looking forward to some dyno tuning later next week.

I don't know if its me, but since bumping up the OMP output it seems compression is up. When I get off the gas, engine braking seems more pronounced than it was with the Int-X.

Idle is set IIRC at 1050RPM. 950 RPM idle also was okay, but only when the engine was already warm. Starting it cold with 950 RPM idle was unstable.
Congrats!
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Jeff:
What are your thoughts on the effects some of these conservative tunes (1B, 2, etc) could have an an N/A's Cat.

We see some of these things going out in stock form but do you think it'll get better / worse / or the same with changing the fuel trims / AFR's?


Just throwing out questions as they pop up or throwing out questions that other members might have...
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I'm always wondering if the Mazsport Ignition Module is incorprated in any of the stages, or considering when designing a tune. Also waiting on Razz1's reports since he was investigating. I know the Mazport Ignition was never designed to be a power mod, but it has proven to provide a few. Just wondering if the Cobb will let us tap into more of its potential.
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Originally Posted by qtwre
Question about fuel trims... Is it expected that they bounce around as you drive or should they pretty much always stay at 0?
The STFT will bounce all over the place. The LTFT will have several discrete steps across the load range, but the STFT is continuous.

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I assume that it's safer to have the PCM pulling fuel rather than adding it. It will eventually learn itself into the right place anyway, right?
Correct.

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Awesome! Did you end up using a screen between the MAF housing and air filter?
No.

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Jeff:
What are your thoughts on the effects some of these conservative tunes (1B, 2, etc) could have an an N/A's Cat.
Tuning will kill the CAT eventually. No way around it.
The more conservative the A/Fs, the longer the CAT life.
If someone is that worried about the CAT, they probably shouldn't be looking for more power.

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I'm always wondering if the Mazsport Ignition Module is incorprated in any of the stages, or considering when designing a tune.
No. No reason to. I expect the ignition to work on the target car.
An ignition upgrade is a corrective mod.
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Announcement -

The Cobb AccessPORT is now available for the 4-port automatic.

I have not verified it on the 6-port automatic yet.

If there is someone in the Phoenix area that has a 6-port auto, let me know.

So, all you autotragic people: clicky!
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I figured that's why Phil is so excited.
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I'm not sure why everyone seems to be having so many problems with aftermarket intakes and exhausts. I installed the Cobb Stage 1 on my S/C kit (sans pulleys), the AFRs are right where they're supposed to be, the LTFT is dead on 0, and I have a straight pipe where the CAT used to be.
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Originally Posted by morkusyambo
I'm not sure why everyone seems to be having so many problems with aftermarket intakes and exhausts. I installed the Cobb Stage 1 on my S/C kit (sans pulleys), the AFRs are right where they're supposed to be, the LTFT is dead on 0, and I have a straight pipe where the CAT used to be.
Its a car-by-car thing.

I almost missed the "sans pulleys" part and shot coffee out of my nose.

You can stick the MM Pettit calibration on there when I send it to you.
I just need to port it to your year.
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Cool. As you know, I will not be able to use it right away. But that is okay, because you're going dyno tuning next week (yay!), and i'll be able to start with those maps.

The AP really needs a custom mounting device for the dash, or console. I'll eventually rig something up.
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Originally Posted by w0rm
Just wanted to say that MM got me a tune that is set to run a little richer for my setup and my scary lean AFRs have gone away. Just did a few test runs last night but didnt but any serious time into it yet. AFRs seemed to range peg around 11.2 - 12.4 for most of the range 5500+ WOT.
Much better than the high 14s, low 15 I was seeing previously.
We will need to get you to the Level 2 version of that once you are satisfied that the A/Fs and fuel trims are stable.
We want to see 12.8:1 - 13.3:1 or so in those same ranges.

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Cool. As you know, I will not be able to use it right away.
You should be able to use it immediately, even without the S/C hooked up.
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Announcement -

The Cobb AccessPORT is now available for the 4-port automatic.

I have not verified it on the 6-port automatic yet.

If there is someone in the Phoenix area that has a 6-port auto, let me know.

So, all you autotragic people: clicky!
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once i put the money in the bank i will be ordering asap! this week!
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Originally Posted by morkusyambo

The AP really needs a custom mounting device for the dash, or console. I'll eventually rig something up.
I've been using a $5 universal cellphone holder with great success as a temporary solution
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I just chuck mine in the glove box after I unplug it.

I guess if you are monitoring data you need it in plain view.
I suggest putting it somewhere near the gauge cluster so that you aren't looking away from the rapidly advancing landscape!
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Originally Posted by w0rm
Just wanted to say that MM got me a tune that is set to run a little richer for my setup and my scary lean AFRs have gone away. Just did a few test runs last night but didnt but any serious time into it yet. AFRs seemed to range peg around 11.2 - 12.4 for most of the range 5500+ WOT.
Much better than the high 14s, low 15 I was seeing previously.
Same here. The second set I got from MM was much richer than the initial setup. Actually the initial maps weren't too off the chart but I was seeing > 14 in the 7000 RPM range. The newer maps have AFR pegged at 12.05 for most of the upper RPM range. I think this is encouraging since if he can get a perfect 12.05 on my car in a safe tune then (hopefully) it is just a matter of cranking it up a notch to get more power. I've been sending logs to MM. Hopefully they have been helpful to him and will benefit others who purchase in the future.
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This may be a little OT, but what's the best way to log an accurate AFR with an early model Canscan unit that's serial only? I'm using OBDScan v3.56r1 and the only way I've found is logging O2S1 and multiplying by stoich (14.7). It seems to be OK just for comparison, but I kinda doubt its accuracy.
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^ What type of logs? Bare .csv files? Or plotted charts?
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Bare csv. Then pulled into Excel to be manipulated.
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Originally Posted by jackhain
This may be a little OT, but what's the best way to log an accurate AFR with an early model Canscan unit that's serial only? I'm using OBDScan v3.56r1 and the only way I've found is logging O2S1 and multiplying by stoich (14.7). It seems to be OK just for comparison, but I kinda doubt its accuracy.
That's not a bad way to do it.

We can also discuss the output in terms of lambda so you don't have to do the multiplication.
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Originally Posted by jackhain
Bare csv. Then pulled into Excel to be manipulated.
Have a good Excel file? I'm having our resident senior engineer make one for me. It should be able to plot 9 data logs all on one chart. When she is finished, I'll post it up for all of us to use.
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Originally Posted by jackhain
I'm using OBDScan v3.56r1 and the only way I've found is logging O2S1 and multiplying by stoich (14.7). It seems to be OK just for comparison, but I kinda doubt its accuracy.
that's what I did for Razz's data using the scanalyzer. It should be pretty accurate, right?
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
That's not a bad way to do it.

We can also discuss the output in terms of lambda so you don't have to do the multiplication.
Doesn't matter to me. It's probably easier to keep referring to it as AFR since the AP reports it as that.

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Have a good Excel file? I'm having our resident senior engineer make one for me. It should be able to plot 9 data logs all on one chart. When she is finished, I'll post it up for all of us to use.
That would be really groovy. I would love to see that. I'm getting tired of setting up the same chart over and over again.

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that's what I did for Razz's data using the scanalyzer. It should be pretty accurate, right?
It's about as accurate as you can get without hooking up an exhaust gas analyzer (before the cat) and factoring in the difference.
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Originally Posted by Nemesis8
Have a good Excel file? I'm having our resident senior engineer make one for me. It should be able to plot 9 data logs all on one chart. When she is finished, I'll post it up for all of us to use.
its easier to understand xy scatter plots so you can put rpms on the x axis and other things on the y axis... instead of time of the x axis
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Originally Posted by r0tor
I've been using a $5 universal cellphone holder with great success as a temporary solution
this is a more expensive solution, but i think its well worth it

http://www.kudausa.com/kuda_mount_an...04-24-230.html

choose the ipod/cell phone holder and more than like the AP will fit nicely
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Originally Posted by rowteree
this is a more expensive solution, but i think its well worth it

http://www.kudausa.com/kuda_mount_an...04-24-230.html

choose the ipod/cell phone holder and more than like the AP will fit nicely
How many Inches does it stick out from the side? (in other words when my passengers knee hits it will it go flying off? The picture is really bad)


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