Cobb AccessPORT Discussion
07-09-2008, 01:26 AM
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Saturday night he showed up at the car show and was playing this in the car. I think the heat has finally gotten to him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76HcLEunsws
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76HcLEunsws
07-09-2008, 03:20 AM
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ZOMG! when i first saw that i thought it was PimpDaddyWelfame - Beat the Bitch(who talks too much)!!
i need to find that one, and 'A ***** and a Knife' for you!!! GOOD ****!
i need to find that one, and 'A ***** and a Knife' for you!!! GOOD ****!
07-09-2008, 09:39 AM
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What you're missing is that the service being provided is a way to get your car up and running properly. For Jeff's service, usually the first one or two maps are all you need before your vehicle is properly functional. This was true for me and I am FI with a 470 hp turbo in my car. If he can get it right for me that quickly, it's a cakewalk for the NA folks. The remainder of the tunes he offers is basically to fine tune your map in case you find issues such as cruise map (cat save) being too rich or too lean, or whatever minor tweaks you suddenly desire (Even lower fan turn on temps, for example).
07-09-2008, 11:08 AM
#3332
I'm going to a dyno day on sunday, I'll have my AP by friday night, and my midpipe will be on before saturday. Then I'm going autocrossing on saturday. Is it possible/potentially dangerous to find the correct base tune on friday night/saturday at the autocross/sunday morning, then fine-tune tweak on the dyno? Or should I just say forget it and wait till after the dyno day to install all my stuff, then I'll have a baseline for my mods?
I was in the same situation, it's kind of frustrating. Got the AP the day before the dyno. Even though I found the right calibration and the fuel trim was correct, it was still running very rich and there was no gain in horsepower. It took another 2 weeks to get an updated map (which appears OK, AFR's seem OK), but I'll have to go back to the dyno to see if there were any gains. You might have to do the same in a few weeks....but maybe you should leave the cat in for this run, and consider it a good baseline power measurement.
PS- you did initially specify to Jeff that the tune should be for a catless car, right?
07-09-2008, 12:46 PM
#3333
Anyways, it's not a bad idea how you're doing it, because if you ever put the OEM cat back on, you have an appropriate map for it.
Good luck!
07-09-2008, 04:21 PM
#3335
When you initially order, you specify the year, transmission, any non-OEM intakes and midpipe, among other things. So the set of 10 maps comprising the "base calibration" is actually fairly specificalyl set up for your car already. There's a good chance it will work well just like that. The idea is that if you have other issues like what I was describing above, then you email him and get it tweaked.
Anyways, it's not a bad idea how you're doing it, because if you ever put the OEM cat back on, you have an appropriate map for it.
Good luck!
Anyways, it's not a bad idea how you're doing it, because if you ever put the OEM cat back on, you have an appropriate map for it.
Good luck!
edit: he does ask for that when you email later... (at least that's the impression I got...) you run the map after evaluating the STFT and then after running the appropriate map for 150 miles (believe that's what it said) you send all that specific information. Hopefully he, or someone else, will correct me if I'm wrong
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07-09-2008, 04:38 PM
#3336
really? I didnt order mine and the guy only asked if I was n/a or FI... never asked about midpipe, intake etc. All that he had was year, MT, and N/A I think...
edit: he does ask for that when you email later... (at least that's the impression I got...) you run the map after evaluating the STFT and then after running the appropriate map for 150 miles (believe that's what it said) you send all that specific information. Hopefully he, or someone else, will correct me if I'm wrong
edit: he does ask for that when you email later... (at least that's the impression I got...) you run the map after evaluating the STFT and then after running the appropriate map for 150 miles (believe that's what it said) you send all that specific information. Hopefully he, or someone else, will correct me if I'm wrong
From the first post in this thread:
Purchasers of the AccessPORT will also receive an e-mail asking for the following:
Quote:
1) Real Name
2) Forum Name (if you are on the RX-8 Forum)
3) E-mail address you used to purchase your AccessPORT
4) Year of manufacture of your RX-8
5) Model (M/T, A/T)
6) Location (specifically, if you are in California or have a California model)
7) Induction (normally aspirated, turbo, supercharger)
8) Fuel injectors (if different from stock)
9) MAF/intake setup (custom, MazSport, OE, GReddy, etc.)
Quote:
1) Real Name
2) Forum Name (if you are on the RX-8 Forum)
3) E-mail address you used to purchase your AccessPORT
4) Year of manufacture of your RX-8
5) Model (M/T, A/T)
6) Location (specifically, if you are in California or have a California model)
7) Induction (normally aspirated, turbo, supercharger)
8) Fuel injectors (if different from stock)
9) MAF/intake setup (custom, MazSport, OE, GReddy, etc.)
07-09-2008, 04:42 PM
#3337
When you purchase the AccessPORT on my site, you select from the following menu:
Then, when your AccessPORT ships, you receive this email (which is reproduced in the very first post of this thread, if you care to read it):
Once you receive it, you will receive a copy of the e-mail that I posted here.
- Cobb AccessPORT RX-8 2004 M/T NA
- Cobb AccessPORT RX-8 2004 M/T FI
- Cobb AccessPORT RX-8 2005 M/T NA
- Cobb AccessPORT RX-8 2005 M/T FI
- Cobb AccessPORT RX-8 2006 M/T NA
- Cobb AccessPORT RX-8 2006 M/T FI
- Cobb AccessPORT RX-8 2007 M/T NA
- Cobb AccessPORT RX-8 2007 M/T FI
- Cobb AccessPORT RX-8 2004 A/T NA
- Cobb AccessPORT RX-8 2004 A/T FI
- Cobb AccessPORT RX-8 2005 A/T NA
- Cobb AccessPORT RX-8 2005 A/T FI
- Cobb AccessPORT RX-8 2006 A/T NA
- Cobb AccessPORT RX-8 2006 A/T FI
- Cobb AccessPORT RX-8 2007 A/T NA
- Cobb AccessPORT RX-8 2007 A/T FI
Attached is a copy of your invoice/receipt.
Your UPS tracking number is:
Your AccessPORT will arrive pre-loaded with the appropriate calibrations for your application.
When you "install" the AP, select "MM YYYs TT AA vXx_0.ptm" as your starting map.
Start the car and while it warms up, select "live data" on the AP an scroll through the options until you get to "short term fuel trim".
Watch that value and, once the car is nearly warmed up, take it around the block.
If the STFT is a negative value, you will use one of the files that end in "b". If it is a positive value, you will use a file that ends in "a". THIS IS THE ONLY TIME WHEN THIS CALIBRATION TECHNIQUE IS VALID. ONCE THE CALIBRATION HAS BEEN INSTALLED FOR A FEW DRIVE CYCLES, THIS METHOD NO LONGER APPLIES.
MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_0.ptm - start file, no trim
MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_1a.ptm - adds 2%
MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_2a.ptm - adds 4%
MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_3a.ptm - adds 6%
MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_4a.ptm - adds 8%
MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_5a.ptm - adds 10%
MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_1b.ptm - subtracts 2%
MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_2b.ptm - subtracts 4%
MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_3b.ptm - subtracts 6%
MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_4b.ptm - subtracts 8%
MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_5b.ptm - subtracts 10%
If the fuel trim is off the scale in one direction or another, you must contact MazdaManiac for adjustments.
Once the idle trim is correct (a few % one way or another is totally no big deal - in fact, up to 12% is acceptable since the PCM can go up to 22% before it starts to struggle), drive around in various conditions less that high load and see if the LTFT stays within +/-6% or so of the idle trim.
If so, you are good to go!
It is NOT unusual for there to be +/-12% or less LTFT after several days of driving.
Watch your A/Fs at high load. If they start to swing too lean or too rich, you must contact MazdaManiac for adjustments.
You should be seeing high 13's in some high-load conditions, mid 13's in most high-load conditions and high 12's in other high-load conditions.
A/Fs should be 14 - 16 everywhere else and 20+ when you lift the throttle.
FI cars should see high 11's to low 12's while in boost.
At all other throttle conditions, A/Fs should be in the mid 14s or slightly higher and 20+ on throttle lift.
Watch your A/Fs through the "equivalence ratio" display in live data.
These files follow this naming convention:
MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_Yy.ptm
MM = MazdaManiac. This ensures that your file is an actual MazdaManiac calibration.
YYYY = Your vehicle's model year
s = State. This is either blank for "Federal" or a "C" for California. There are actually quite a few California models out there in other states so if you believe your car is a Federal model but your Federal files are "grayed-out" in the install screen, you are actually driving a California model.
TT = Transmission. MT is Manual and AT is Automatic
AA = Induction. If you are Normally aspirated, this will say "NA". If you are turbo it will say "TURBO" if you have the Pettit supercharger, it will say "PETTIT"
v = this means "Version"
Xx = Series. There are many different series of flashes. The larger "X" will be a whole number from 1 to 7. The small "x" will be a lower case letter from "a" to "d"
Yy = Sub-Flash. The Large "Y" is an incremental change in the MAF calculation. Each successive number from "1" to "7" is a 2% change in the MAF calibration. The small "y" indicates if this increment is positive ("a") or negative ("b").
Your UPS tracking number is:
Your AccessPORT will arrive pre-loaded with the appropriate calibrations for your application.
When you "install" the AP, select "MM YYYs TT AA vXx_0.ptm" as your starting map.
Start the car and while it warms up, select "live data" on the AP an scroll through the options until you get to "short term fuel trim".
Watch that value and, once the car is nearly warmed up, take it around the block.
If the STFT is a negative value, you will use one of the files that end in "b". If it is a positive value, you will use a file that ends in "a". THIS IS THE ONLY TIME WHEN THIS CALIBRATION TECHNIQUE IS VALID. ONCE THE CALIBRATION HAS BEEN INSTALLED FOR A FEW DRIVE CYCLES, THIS METHOD NO LONGER APPLIES.
MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_0.ptm - start file, no trim
MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_1a.ptm - adds 2%
MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_2a.ptm - adds 4%
MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_3a.ptm - adds 6%
MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_4a.ptm - adds 8%
MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_5a.ptm - adds 10%
MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_1b.ptm - subtracts 2%
MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_2b.ptm - subtracts 4%
MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_3b.ptm - subtracts 6%
MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_4b.ptm - subtracts 8%
MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_5b.ptm - subtracts 10%
If the fuel trim is off the scale in one direction or another, you must contact MazdaManiac for adjustments.
Once the idle trim is correct (a few % one way or another is totally no big deal - in fact, up to 12% is acceptable since the PCM can go up to 22% before it starts to struggle), drive around in various conditions less that high load and see if the LTFT stays within +/-6% or so of the idle trim.
If so, you are good to go!
It is NOT unusual for there to be +/-12% or less LTFT after several days of driving.
Watch your A/Fs at high load. If they start to swing too lean or too rich, you must contact MazdaManiac for adjustments.
You should be seeing high 13's in some high-load conditions, mid 13's in most high-load conditions and high 12's in other high-load conditions.
A/Fs should be 14 - 16 everywhere else and 20+ when you lift the throttle.
FI cars should see high 11's to low 12's while in boost.
At all other throttle conditions, A/Fs should be in the mid 14s or slightly higher and 20+ on throttle lift.
Watch your A/Fs through the "equivalence ratio" display in live data.
These files follow this naming convention:
MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_Yy.ptm
MM = MazdaManiac. This ensures that your file is an actual MazdaManiac calibration.
YYYY = Your vehicle's model year
s = State. This is either blank for "Federal" or a "C" for California. There are actually quite a few California models out there in other states so if you believe your car is a Federal model but your Federal files are "grayed-out" in the install screen, you are actually driving a California model.
TT = Transmission. MT is Manual and AT is Automatic
AA = Induction. If you are Normally aspirated, this will say "NA". If you are turbo it will say "TURBO" if you have the Pettit supercharger, it will say "PETTIT"
v = this means "Version"
Xx = Series. There are many different series of flashes. The larger "X" will be a whole number from 1 to 7. The small "x" will be a lower case letter from "a" to "d"
Yy = Sub-Flash. The Large "Y" is an incremental change in the MAF calculation. Each successive number from "1" to "7" is a 2% change in the MAF calibration. The small "y" indicates if this increment is positive ("a") or negative ("b").
07-09-2008, 05:24 PM
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Personally I think Jeff really has no choice but to do this. There's no way he could sustain the demand otherwise.
The only gripe I have is the "for a period of six (6) months after the initial installation set is provided".
Personally, I don't intend on needing a change every month. My 8 is a long term project, as I'm sure is the case for a lot of people here. I would ask for a new tune maybe once or twice a year, max (seeing as I only drive it in summer).
Any chance we can remove that little piece of the sentence? An AP is high up on my TODO list but it might go down if I have a limited timeframe to request maps.
The only gripe I have is the "for a period of six (6) months after the initial installation set is provided".
Personally, I don't intend on needing a change every month. My 8 is a long term project, as I'm sure is the case for a lot of people here. I would ask for a new tune maybe once or twice a year, max (seeing as I only drive it in summer).
Any chance we can remove that little piece of the sentence? An AP is high up on my TODO list but it might go down if I have a limited timeframe to request maps.
07-09-2008, 05:40 PM
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6 months is actually quite a grace period, as most AP customer's cars can be done much sooner than this, and 6 months allow time for folks to change things and get recalibrated for free!
07-09-2008, 07:02 PM
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thanks Jeff... It is much appreciated... my RX8 thanks you! I filled out the questionaire last night and provided a spreadsheet of my WOT RPM, AFR, Load, MAF, and a few other pieces of data.
07-09-2008, 09:39 PM
#3342
Power!!
Jeff. Would you possibly offer a subscription service or the ability for people to purchase tuning in the future after their 6 months runs out?
I know $299 is still a competitive price relative to dyno tuning. I'd like to be able to purchase tuning from you if I decide to go turbo in the future etc.
I know $299 is still a competitive price relative to dyno tuning. I'd like to be able to purchase tuning from you if I decide to go turbo in the future etc.
07-09-2008, 10:48 PM
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07-09-2008, 10:52 PM
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Jeff. Would you possibly offer a subscription service or the ability for people to purchase tuning in the future after their 6 months runs out?
I know $299 is still a competitive price relative to dyno tuning. I'd like to be able to purchase tuning from you if I decide to go turbo in the future etc.
I know $299 is still a competitive price relative to dyno tuning. I'd like to be able to purchase tuning from you if I decide to go turbo in the future etc.
BTW - not only are the tunes free when you buy the AccessPORT and only $299 for a 6-month, 5-tune subscription, keep in mind that I normally charge $300 just for a single dyno session when someone brings in a car with XYZ engine management.
Last edited by MazdaManiac; 07-09-2008 at 11:00 PM.
07-10-2008, 12:18 AM
#3345
well, it seems today just doesnt want me to install this AP. Got it in, went to class for my test, got home and when I was finally able to give it a try, it turns out when my car had the PCM replaced, it now thinks it's a 2005 instead of a 2004. So I had to get the 2005 files from MM, he emailed them and I was busy doing stuff with friends at the time. So I finally finished all that crap, and mac is updating/under maintenance (I assume for mobileme and the new iphone stuff this week)... so again I'm waiting. Probably going to stay up till I get this done... dont have class till 4 anyways.
07-10-2008, 01:27 AM
#3346
Original Turbo 'd Auto !!
Jeff,
Are you happy with the data logs I gave you two weeks ago, or do you want me to make new ones?
If you want new ones, what data do you want and in what logged order?
Are you happy with the data logs I gave you two weeks ago, or do you want me to make new ones?
If you want new ones, what data do you want and in what logged order?
07-10-2008, 08:48 AM
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