StealthFox

respect, you are not one to talk about giving respect, you are one of the most disrespectful people i've met, you always love to bring up something with me on various threads because im younger than you. ask anyone that knows me half well on this board and see what they think of my respectfulness. and the only one i'd be calling an ******* is you, because frankly i've never had any problems(and generally dont) except with you directing (often uncalled for)inflammatory comments towards me because you feel you're superiority of age(and time on your hands to have over 3,000 posts on a forum of a car you dont even own) needs to be pounded into me.

dwill9578

Well anyway, I drove a STI on Sat. Local dealship has "a lot" of room on a blue one not prepared for sale. Said he had more room onthe blue than the white with gold rims. That color sticks out BAD but my payment would go up slightly, insurance would go down slightly so it would almost be a wash, except i'd be payin now for 48 months. I LOVE the 8, and most likely will keep it...i think but if there is any car out there for a decent amount of money the STI is the ONLY car I would get rid of my 8 for. In same day i checked out a couplel EVO's.....hated it! interior is as bad as bad gets and would not let me drive it, they begged me to drive the subie(didn't have too) point is the STI is great in many ways, so is the 8. Now i find myself wondering if I could live with the spoiler and the color.

StealthFox

you can always swap out the spoiler for something more conservative or nothing at all, i personally think that things like that are not a big deal, and can be changed easily. some people like the evos handling some say its crap, some dont mind the interior, some say its crap, but the general concensus for interior quality is that the STi is better. its also a bit faster too

Ike

I'm so damn sick of seeing World Rally Blue WRXs and STis, it's a great color but it's gotten a little tiresome. In fact I don't think the Blue sticks out much at all, so many car manufacturers have added a similar color since Subaru introduced it and it seems like 50% of the Imprezas on the road are WRB. On the other hand the white with gold wheels is damn sexy and the best combo for the STi IMO. As for the spoiler it's a very easy fix, simply go to NASIOC and post you want to swap trunks with someone with a WRB WRX in your area and you'll get swamped with pms and most likely make some cash in the process.

Steiner

I agree 100%. I had my more or less settled on silver or grey when I went STi shopping last winter. I've heard from many Scooby owners that Subaru is notorious for poor quality paint jobs...chipping, flaking, etc...so black and blue were out. And then...voila!...I wallked up on an '05 STi, white on gold.

It looked damn good. The salesman was a clown and was trying to sell me a silver '04...the last '04 STi on the lot...so he kept telling me how much the brakedust shows on the gold rims, how common white cars are, blah, blah, blah. I thinh it's a nice look though. If I ever replace the Enkei's on my Evo it will be tough to decide between black or gold rims. Both look really good on white cars IMHO.

StealthFox

the Enkei EVO5's that come the mitsu lancer evolution 8 are sooo nice, i would be hard pressed to swap them because they look great on the car. and about him selling you an 04' STi, you should have straight out told him you're not retarded and know what he's up to. and is your evo white?

dwill9578

I have to try to get over the looks, no there not bad and thats very subjective. But I love my Black 8 and it gets a lot of attention. I'd buy the STI for the drive not the way it looks, I love the way the hood shakes, I just like the way it drives period, to me the feeling of the vehicle is raw and un-polished and thats what I like. Good idea about trunk, alls I would want would be a tiny lip. As for color think I might go with that new for 05 silver if I was to go with one. Ike with ya on the blue but I workin them better than i could on the white. Plus the idea of such easy(inexpensive) hp gains sounds very nice too. WISH I COULD HAVE BOTH, i think they would be a great pair of cars to own!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ellar

If you had both, you'd be a stupid rich person.

StealthFox

i dont know about easy HP gains(still a bit easier than the 8 though which is one of the hardest) but stock its more than sufficient... the mods people commonly do are ecu, up/downpipe's w/o precats as well as a turboback(fujitsubo has been constatnly dyno proven by private parties to be the best on the market now for the STi) maybe a P&P turbo, intake, pulleys, flywheel, etc.

450 hp is no problem really if you have money but breaking into the 600's and above is a harder than a WRX.

Ike

Considering the uppipe in the STi there is no precat I'm not sure how one would go about removing the precat. There's also only 1 downpipes and that would be part of a TBE so not sure why you would need both. In addition TBE can cause boost creep so a lot of guys simply do downpipe and leave the rest if the exhaust stock. The Fujisubo stuff you're talking is nonsense, there is no best exhaust for the STi it's all about what you're after and I've seen no proof that it makes more power either.

P&P turbos are also silly and not used very often unless you're fitting a new turbo on a car, if you're going to take the time to remove a turbo and have to reinstall one people get new/larger turbo. Your last statement is also totally false and getting the STi into big HP numbers is cheaper and easier than it is with the WRX.

In other words, Dwill, if you end up with an STi don't listen to the kid for mod advice :p You can make some serious gains with just a downpipe and some engine management. You want another nice jump from there it's time to start thinking about a new turbo, upgraded fuel and an FMIC.

StealthFox

where did you get the idea i said the uppipe had a precat? and TBE's do gain power, and there are a few out there that are better than the others, as with everything. there is dyno proof that you will gain power(hell there's even been quite a few dyno's that show aftermarket catbacks for the 8 will give 1-2hp) and the reason why its easier to get into big hp first is because its already in big HP from the factory. plus "big HP" is a very subjective term, say 300hp to a honda tuner and they'd be impressed, say 300hp to a person who drag races muscle cars and you'll see otherwise. i was giving him all of the easier and popular options to do, so you can whine and bitch about whatever products you think do and dont get power all day long and no one will give a ****, you dont even OWN an STi and have never modded one, so you're about as qualified as me in giving people advice on modding cars neither of us own or have personally modified. and ike, to tell you the truth, if i were someone else i'd take my advice instead of 99% of the other members on this board that would just say "STi? are you nuts, go out and buy yourself a real car instead of wasting 33k on a econobox with a park bench sitting on the roof you moron"

Ike

You didn't understand a word of what I said so I won't bother going further on why the things you said are misguided.

crimson-rain

RX8: $27,000.00
Greddy turbo kit: $3500.00
The look on an STi driver's face after beating him in the corners and leaving him on the straight ... priceless.

$27000 + $3500 = $30500 < $33000

The STi buyer wanted more power so he paid more for more power. If I want more power in my 8 I'll have to pay for more power.

dwill9578

the look on the STI's face when he drives by later cause his car is still running AND has a warrenty. 33k is A LOT for a car thats expensive to repair with no warrenty. I am not capable of doing intense work to a 8 so thats out of the question for me. I got two dealer beatin each other it's great, thinkin i might get it for under 400 a month

FLybOi drE

the STI might have us from the line...but heck...once we start taking turns? forget it...comparing an STI's handling to an 8 is like comparing **** to chocolate...I LOVE MY 8 =)

Ike

The STi has you just about everywhere, from a roll, off the line, on a skidpad, in a slalom, and on a track... About the only way you're going to take one out stock for stock is an autox with R compounds.

dwill9578

from what you just posted about the new WRX, think I might have to wait

Ike

Yeah, seems likea good idea to hold out til August, maybe you'll like the new WRX or STi better. If you don't then you'll probably be able to get a good deal on an 05.

dwill9578

good point, I'll just have to "make do" with my 8 jk

crimson-rain

Don't get me wrong. The STi is a beast. It CAN handle. It CAN pull. And it will beat the crap out of MANY cars on the road.

As far as just competing with an STi with an 8, YOU WILL NEED TO VOID YOUR WARRENTY. I can't say I've driven an STi but I have driven it's rival the EVO. These are some sick cars. The 8 would NEED FI to compete with those two. As far as an 8 out handling an STi, I would say yes it can. But not by much aka I hope you can drive. Remember it's an FR against an AWD. Different driving methods entirely.

Anyway, (know offence Ike), I'm not concerned with the STi, EVO, or 350Z. I want my 8 to go against the 2007 Skyline GT-R and the new Supra. The RX-7 was in their league when it was out, IMO the RX-8 has almost everything it needs ... except the power.

Steiner

This would have been really funny if the poster wasn't actually being totally serious.

An STi would abuse an RX-8 in nearly any road environment, track layout or situation imaginable....stock for stock or mod for mod. In reality (to quote the original poster) the STi is chocalate and the RX-8 is **** when you compare performance of the two vehicles.

124Spider

I'm always amazed at posts where someone compares cars that they haven't driven for real. Nobody who has driven both a stock RX-8 and a stock WRX STi could possibly make that statement. The STi is faster, quicker, handles very, very well (it is in A Stock, while the RX-8 is in B Stock), and is easy to modify. I don't much like its looks, but it's a remarkable car, and a remarkable value.

That doesn't make it "better" than an RX-8, for most people's wants (and you certainly are justified in loving your RX-8), but I would take a stock STi over a stock RX-8 for track, drag or autocross, head-to-head (especially on a wet day :p ).

StealthFox

VERY good point, but you also forgot about the part that you're driving in style and comfort as well, which is worth way more than 70hp that the sti has stock on a n/a rx8, now paying less for a turbo 8 than an sti while being close or superior to it in performance aspects and doing it in style is the best.

i dont think you'd beat them with raw power still though theyd still have a bit on you, but at least i'd be happy im putting about the same power down with 6 psi of boost compared to 18(please correct and flame me to bloody hell if im a few psi off ike ) im scared that the little 4 banger might blow up from all the pressure, but then again those boxer engines are really tough and can handle a lot ive heard

BlueEyes

I think the STi's run about 1 bar, which is 14 or 15 psi. Really, not that much for a factory turbo car. It always amazes me how shocked people are when I tell them about a 944 turbo I race that ran 24 psi. They're shocked because they are used to slapping turbos on engines not designed for them. And, I would rather run 15 psi on an engine designed for it than 6 on an engine designed to be NA

StealthFox

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