Official 2010 Formula 1 Season Discussion
01-29-2010, 01:34 PM
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i bring you good news, if you are not a ferrari fan. i hope this rumor is true. 
Ferrari may already be working on a 'B' version of its newly launched F10 car.
Britain's Times newspaper referred to rumours "sweeping the Italian media" about the early performance estimates for the new single seater.
The report said it is feared the car is "not as good as the team were hoping for", despite Ferrari having stopped developing the F60 mid last season in order to focus on its successor.
Former Ferrari driver Gerhard Berger told Switzerland's Blick newspaper: "Even with Alonso, Ferrari's overall package is not as strong as it once was with Schumacher.
"They are now missing (Jean) Todt, (Ross) Brawn and the often underestimated designer (Rory) Byrne. And without the right people, soon you are lost," the Austrian added.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11001292...ion-of-new-f10
Ferrari may already be working on a 'B' version of its newly launched F10 car.
Britain's Times newspaper referred to rumours "sweeping the Italian media" about the early performance estimates for the new single seater.
The report said it is feared the car is "not as good as the team were hoping for", despite Ferrari having stopped developing the F60 mid last season in order to focus on its successor.
Former Ferrari driver Gerhard Berger told Switzerland's Blick newspaper: "Even with Alonso, Ferrari's overall package is not as strong as it once was with Schumacher.
"They are now missing (Jean) Todt, (Ross) Brawn and the often underestimated designer (Rory) Byrne. And without the right people, soon you are lost," the Austrian added.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11001292...ion-of-new-f10
01-29-2010, 05:43 PM
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These rumors always have to be taken with a grain of salt. I remember last year, before testing, the farrari was said that it was gonna be totally dominant. Obviously not true. Besides, the ferrari that shows up in bahrain will most likely be fairly different anyway, just as it always is.
01-29-2010, 06:47 PM
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stand up proud here i must!
Anyway Ferrari already complained about rule flaws that may bring another "rear diffuser scandal".
They said that those rules are too vague during a conference and that this may lead to too many different interpretations.
While I do agree that rules should be clear and not open to interpretations i think that this may link to well to what alfy reported regarding a "b" version already in the works
01-30-2010, 11:02 AM
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01-30-2010, 11:24 AM
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Ferrari thinks double diffuser saga could re-fire
Jan.30 (GMM) Ferrari is concerned the double diffuser legality controversy in formula one may be set to re-fire.
At the launch of the F10 on Thursday, technical director Aldo Costa said he thought at least one team was "on the limit" of legality with its 2010 design of the rear aerodynamic solution.
The initial emergence of double diffusers on the Brawn, Williams and Toyota cars last year caused great controversy, until the FIA said their rule interpretation was in fact legal.
"We were put in a very unpleasant position last year and we still think that the double diffuser is illegal," Costa told La Gazzetta dello Sport. "Maybe the saga will just carry on."
Ferrari's chief designer Nikolas Tombazis admitted: "The double diffuser allows a lot of room for experimentation and this is what worries us."
By the time of the McLaren launch on Friday, rumours were circulating that 2010 cars would be debuting 'triple' and 'quadruple' diffusers.
"We've got a fairly extreme incarnation (of double diffuser), but we won't be alone in that -- we believe we will see some pretty extreme solutions from our competitors as well," McLaren's engineering director Paddy Lowe said.
On the launch stage, the rear of McLaren's MP4-25 was tucked into a corner, and the diffuser itself was apparently covered.
All three 2010 cars seen so far - the Ferrari, McLaren and Williams - feature very high noses, to allow maximum airflow to much bigger diffusers.
Lowe denied Ferrari's fears that the diffuser rules are still unclear.
"We think the interpretation is very clear," he said. "In certain aspects we have sought guidance from the FIA and they have come out with very clear interpretation, understanding and guidance -- and we think that has been made available to all the teams.
"We are hoping for a much cleaner start to the season then we had a year ago in terms of the teams' collective understanding of the basis from which we go racing," Lowe added.
Jan.30 (GMM) Ferrari is concerned the double diffuser legality controversy in formula one may be set to re-fire.
At the launch of the F10 on Thursday, technical director Aldo Costa said he thought at least one team was "on the limit" of legality with its 2010 design of the rear aerodynamic solution.
The initial emergence of double diffusers on the Brawn, Williams and Toyota cars last year caused great controversy, until the FIA said their rule interpretation was in fact legal.
"We were put in a very unpleasant position last year and we still think that the double diffuser is illegal," Costa told La Gazzetta dello Sport. "Maybe the saga will just carry on."
Ferrari's chief designer Nikolas Tombazis admitted: "The double diffuser allows a lot of room for experimentation and this is what worries us."
By the time of the McLaren launch on Friday, rumours were circulating that 2010 cars would be debuting 'triple' and 'quadruple' diffusers.
"We've got a fairly extreme incarnation (of double diffuser), but we won't be alone in that -- we believe we will see some pretty extreme solutions from our competitors as well," McLaren's engineering director Paddy Lowe said.
On the launch stage, the rear of McLaren's MP4-25 was tucked into a corner, and the diffuser itself was apparently covered.
All three 2010 cars seen so far - the Ferrari, McLaren and Williams - feature very high noses, to allow maximum airflow to much bigger diffusers.
Lowe denied Ferrari's fears that the diffuser rules are still unclear.
"We think the interpretation is very clear," he said. "In certain aspects we have sought guidance from the FIA and they have come out with very clear interpretation, understanding and guidance -- and we think that has been made available to all the teams.
"We are hoping for a much cleaner start to the season then we had a year ago in terms of the teams' collective understanding of the basis from which we go racing," Lowe added.
02-01-2010, 02:17 PM
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I cant wait to see the diffusers! All the teams but Mclaren and Renault appear to be running the diffuser of their 09 car or an interim model. This is to keep those radical designs a secret surely. If the Mclaren and Renault are the an indication as to the diffusers this year, then i cant wait to see the Mercedes and Adrian Newey designs. The Renault diffuser is huge and the Mclaren has the diffuser from Hell!
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Clearer Pic here: http://www.f1technical.net/forum/vie...7495&start=630
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Clearer Pic here: http://www.f1technical.net/forum/vie...7495&start=630
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02-02-2010, 01:09 AM
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02-02-2010, 10:34 AM
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I AM A HAPPY MAN NOW! 
and I am sure I will be even HAPPIER after Wednesday's testing.
Move over Mclaren, the Japanese ROOKIE beat that guy named Hamilton and there is no way Button will be better.
Ferrari is BACK ladies.. and no crying allowed here.
Carlos
and I am sure I will be even HAPPIER after Wednesday's testing. Move over Mclaren, the Japanese ROOKIE beat that guy named Hamilton and there is no way Button will be better.
Ferrari is BACK ladies.. and no crying allowed here.
Carlos
02-02-2010, 10:38 AM
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Todays tests (Valencia):
1. Massa – Ferrari: 1:11.722
2. Kobayashi – Sauber: 1:12.056
3. Hamilton – McLaren: 1:12.256
4. Kubica – Renault: 1:12.426
5. Rosberg – Mercedes: 1:12.899
6. Barichello – Williams: 1:13.377
7. Buemi – Toro Rosso: 1:13.823
The first 4 are pretty close
1. Massa – Ferrari: 1:11.722
2. Kobayashi – Sauber: 1:12.056
3. Hamilton – McLaren: 1:12.256
4. Kubica – Renault: 1:12.426
5. Rosberg – Mercedes: 1:12.899
6. Barichello – Williams: 1:13.377
7. Buemi – Toro Rosso: 1:13.823
The first 4 are pretty close
02-02-2010, 11:04 AM
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Last few seconds of the race, Ferrari fans were going crazy. Until......,...
HAMILTON stole the show.
BUt yah, guess its just their nature.
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02-02-2010, 11:09 AM
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Typical ferrari fans, always assuming. I firgured you learned your lesson by now. I guess you quickly forgot about 2009 championship race. let me refresh your memory.
Last few seconds of the race, Ferrari fans were going crazy. Until......,...
HAMILTON stole the show.
BUt yah, guess its just their nature.
Last few seconds of the race, Ferrari fans were going crazy. Until......,...
HAMILTON stole the show.
BUt yah, guess its just their nature.
Testing has invaluble meaning but granted, nothing matters until the first race. However, I love seeing the Hamilton fanboys taking a backseat now.
Of course I remember but I also remember 2008 when Timo let Hamilton pass, so he could win the championship? WE ALL REMEMBER THAT!!!
Carlos