Official 2010 Formula 1 Season Discussion
08-30-2010, 12:30 AM
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Agreed. A mistake caused by him taking a bit too large risks though. But when he steers out to the left to go on Buttons left side he lost the rear of the car. And then the tail slapped back the other way and his nose picked up Button's side pod.
08-30-2010, 12:33 AM
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08-30-2010, 07:03 AM
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08-30-2010, 09:05 AM
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With six and possibly just five races to go in 2010, the psychological games are now well and truly in play by the main players.
After the Belgian GP on Sunday, McLaren's Martin Whitmarsh denounced Red Bull driver Sebastian Vettel as a "crash kid" for his "junior formula" crash into Jenson Button.
But fingers were also pointing in the other direction.
"Button braked early, Seb wanted to avoid him and lost it on a bump," Whitmarsh's Red Bull counterpart Christian Horner is quoted by Auto Motor und Sport.
Helmut Marko described Button as driving "so slow" at the time of the incident, but the reigning world champion hit back by insisting he "certainly didn't brake any earlier than usual".
Marko added: "He (Vettel) could not just sit behind Jenson. He was so slow that Sebastian was losing one second per lap to Hamilton."
Horner also said Hamilton was the "luckiest man in Belgium" for managing to drive out of a gravel trap prior to winning the race.
"Sometimes you ride your luck and he's had a bit of that this year," said the Briton.
It is also increasingly rumoured that the world championship could be curtailed to just 18 races, with South Korea only now laying the asphalt for the track surface.
Now 41 points behind the championship lead, a five-race run to the season finale would be a blow for Fernando Alonso.
"Our intention is to race in Korea," he told Spanish reporters on Sunday. "I have no information to the contrary so we should be there."
After the Belgian GP on Sunday, McLaren's Martin Whitmarsh denounced Red Bull driver Sebastian Vettel as a "crash kid" for his "junior formula" crash into Jenson Button.
But fingers were also pointing in the other direction.
"Button braked early, Seb wanted to avoid him and lost it on a bump," Whitmarsh's Red Bull counterpart Christian Horner is quoted by Auto Motor und Sport.
Helmut Marko described Button as driving "so slow" at the time of the incident, but the reigning world champion hit back by insisting he "certainly didn't brake any earlier than usual".
Marko added: "He (Vettel) could not just sit behind Jenson. He was so slow that Sebastian was losing one second per lap to Hamilton."
Horner also said Hamilton was the "luckiest man in Belgium" for managing to drive out of a gravel trap prior to winning the race.
"Sometimes you ride your luck and he's had a bit of that this year," said the Briton.
It is also increasingly rumoured that the world championship could be curtailed to just 18 races, with South Korea only now laying the asphalt for the track surface.
Now 41 points behind the championship lead, a five-race run to the season finale would be a blow for Fernando Alonso.
"Our intention is to race in Korea," he told Spanish reporters on Sunday. "I have no information to the contrary so we should be there."
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08-30-2010, 12:10 PM
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Well, well well what do we have here? The highest paid driver in this series goes to a driver who is not even close to winning a championship this year (well he does have 7 races to go to prove himself), also cries himself to sleep on a daily basis. Can y ou guess that driver?
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/162562/...arns_most.html
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/162562/...arns_most.html
1. ???????????????? €30m 5th
2. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes €16m 2nd
3. Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari €16m N/A
4. Felipe Massa Ferrari €14m 6th
5. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes €9m 4th
6. Michael Schumacher Mercedes Grand Prix €8m 9th
7. Nico Rosberg Mercedes Grand Prix €8m 7th
8. Robert Kubica Renault F1 €7.5m 8th
9. Rubens Barrichello Williams F1 €5.5m 11th
10. Mark Webber Red Bull Racing €4.2m 1st
11. Jarno Trulli Lotus Racing €3m 19th=
12. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing €2m 3rd
13. Heikki Kovalainen Lotus Racing €2m 19th=
14. Timo Glock Virgin Racing €1m 19th=
15. Nico Hülkenberg Williams F1 €700,000 15th
16. Pedro de la Rosa Sauber €500,000 17th
17. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber €500,000 12th=
18. Vitaly Petrov Renault F1 €400,000 12th=
19. Jaime Alguersuari Scuderia Toro Rosso €400,000 18th
20. Sébastien Buemi Scuderia Toro Rosso €400,000 16th
21. Adrian Sutil Force India F1 €200,000 10th
22. Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India F1 €200,000 14th
23. Lucas Di Grassi Virgin Racing €200,000 19th=
24. Bruno Senna Hispania Racing €150,000 19th=
25. Karun Chandhok Hispania Racing €Nil 19th=
26. Sakon Yamamoto Hispania Racing €Nil 19th =
Teams:
1. Ferrari €60m 3rd
2. McLaren-Mercedes €25m 2nd
3. Mercedes Grand Prix €16m 4th
4. Renault F1 €7.9m 5th
5. Red Bull Racing €6.2m 1st
6. Williams F1 €6.2m 7th
7. Lotus Racing €5m 10th=
8. Virgin Racing €1.2m 10th=
9. Sauber €1m 8th
10. Scuderia Toro Rosso €800,000 9th
11. Force India F1 €400,000 6th
12. Hispania Racing €150,000 10th=
2. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes €16m 2nd
3. Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari €16m N/A
4. Felipe Massa Ferrari €14m 6th
5. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes €9m 4th
6. Michael Schumacher Mercedes Grand Prix €8m 9th
7. Nico Rosberg Mercedes Grand Prix €8m 7th
8. Robert Kubica Renault F1 €7.5m 8th
9. Rubens Barrichello Williams F1 €5.5m 11th
10. Mark Webber Red Bull Racing €4.2m 1st
11. Jarno Trulli Lotus Racing €3m 19th=
12. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing €2m 3rd
13. Heikki Kovalainen Lotus Racing €2m 19th=
14. Timo Glock Virgin Racing €1m 19th=
15. Nico Hülkenberg Williams F1 €700,000 15th
16. Pedro de la Rosa Sauber €500,000 17th
17. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber €500,000 12th=
18. Vitaly Petrov Renault F1 €400,000 12th=
19. Jaime Alguersuari Scuderia Toro Rosso €400,000 18th
20. Sébastien Buemi Scuderia Toro Rosso €400,000 16th
21. Adrian Sutil Force India F1 €200,000 10th
22. Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India F1 €200,000 14th
23. Lucas Di Grassi Virgin Racing €200,000 19th=
24. Bruno Senna Hispania Racing €150,000 19th=
25. Karun Chandhok Hispania Racing €Nil 19th=
26. Sakon Yamamoto Hispania Racing €Nil 19th =
Teams:
1. Ferrari €60m 3rd
2. McLaren-Mercedes €25m 2nd
3. Mercedes Grand Prix €16m 4th
4. Renault F1 €7.9m 5th
5. Red Bull Racing €6.2m 1st
6. Williams F1 €6.2m 7th
7. Lotus Racing €5m 10th=
8. Virgin Racing €1.2m 10th=
9. Sauber €1m 8th
10. Scuderia Toro Rosso €800,000 9th
11. Force India F1 €400,000 6th
12. Hispania Racing €150,000 10th=
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08-30-2010, 02:09 PM
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Well, well well what do we have here? The highest paid driver in this series goes to a driver who is not even close to winning a championship this year (well he does have 7 races to go to prove himself), also cries himself to sleep on a daily basis. Can y ou guess that driver?
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/162562/...arns_most.html
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/162562/...arns_most.html
08-30-2010, 02:20 PM
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08-30-2010, 02:31 PM
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Only if vet would of stayed calm, he would of been able to pass button due to frong wing. Just my opinion. Its very sad that I pretty much laughed during the whole race due to vet making all kinds of mistakes. The guy was just all over the place and it was just to funny to watch.
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08-30-2010, 02:43 PM
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I dont know, after rewatching yesterday race during lunch. Horners Golden Boy was driving like some mad clown. I bet webber laughs every single race watching Golden Boy Vet make all these type of mistakes. I do feel sorry for the kid, (well not really, but I do try though) I hope he does better for the rest of the season. All i know is I just want webber ahead of him, because I just like watching Vet get all cry baby like. I mean how offten do you get to laugh while watching F1?
08-30-2010, 04:31 PM
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Frankly it is embarrassing.....
Senna was "Similar", but Senna had Skill, *****, Talent, Charisma and could REALLY drive.
Vet just has a head that matches his appeal, and I want to Slap it..
Senna was "Similar", but Senna had Skill, *****, Talent, Charisma and could REALLY drive.
Vet just has a head that matches his appeal, and I want to Slap it..
08-30-2010, 07:31 PM
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08-30-2010, 07:39 PM
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Vettel really showed lack of maturity and it reminded me so much of the incident where he hit Webber. He has a fair amount of skill but he's far from the complete package.
I will maintain that Lewis Hamilton is THE complete package. He still has more to learn and attain but he brings more to the table than any other driver out there. He has shown what he can do in the same car against top players and what he can do in a lesser car (To some extent) as well. Button is not on par with Lewis and neither was Nando. Lewis is aggressive and calm at the same time. Calculated and skillful.
Paul.
I will maintain that Lewis Hamilton is THE complete package. He still has more to learn and attain but he brings more to the table than any other driver out there. He has shown what he can do in the same car against top players and what he can do in a lesser car (To some extent) as well. Button is not on par with Lewis and neither was Nando. Lewis is aggressive and calm at the same time. Calculated and skillful.
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08-30-2010, 11:45 PM
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Vettel really showed lack of maturity and it reminded me so much of the incident where he hit Webber. He has a fair amount of skill but he's far from the complete package.
I will maintain that Lewis Hamilton is THE complete package. He still has more to learn and attain but he brings more to the table than any other driver out there. He has shown what he can do in the same car against top players and what he can do in a lesser car (To some extent) as well. Button is not on par with Lewis and neither was Nando. Lewis is aggressive and calm at the same time. Calculated and skillful.
Paul.
I will maintain that Lewis Hamilton is THE complete package. He still has more to learn and attain but he brings more to the table than any other driver out there. He has shown what he can do in the same car against top players and what he can do in a lesser car (To some extent) as well. Button is not on par with Lewis and neither was Nando. Lewis is aggressive and calm at the same time. Calculated and skillful.
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08-31-2010, 05:14 AM
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Vettel really showed lack of maturity and it reminded me so much of the incident where he hit Webber. He has a fair amount of skill but he's far from the complete package.
I will maintain that Lewis Hamilton is THE complete package. He still has more to learn and attain but he brings more to the table than any other driver out there. He has shown what he can do in the same car against top players and what he can do in a lesser car (To some extent) as well. Button is not on par with Lewis and neither was Nando. Lewis is aggressive and calm at the same time. Calculated and skillful.
Paul.
I will maintain that Lewis Hamilton is THE complete package. He still has more to learn and attain but he brings more to the table than any other driver out there. He has shown what he can do in the same car against top players and what he can do in a lesser car (To some extent) as well. Button is not on par with Lewis and neither was Nando. Lewis is aggressive and calm at the same time. Calculated and skillful.
Paul.
We also have a team of pussies. A couple of **** drops from the sky and they immediately called him for a pit stop. Ferrari is really making every possible effort NOT to win the championship!
Massa is like many brazilian drivers, has serious high and extremely low races. Senna was of course an exception but he had troubles with schumacher as well.
Definitely, that's why sooner or later we'll bring the empire back and school all the britons again :p
08-31-2010, 09:33 AM
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08-31-2010, 11:43 AM
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Vettel really showed lack of maturity and it reminded me so much of the incident where he hit Webber. He has a fair amount of skill but he's far from the complete package.
I will maintain that Lewis Hamilton is THE complete package. He still has more to learn and attain but he brings more to the table than any other driver out there. He has shown what he can do in the same car against top players and what he can do in a lesser car (To some extent) as well. Button is not on par with Lewis and neither was Nando. Lewis is aggressive and calm at the same time. Calculated and skillful.
Paul.
I will maintain that Lewis Hamilton is THE complete package. He still has more to learn and attain but he brings more to the table than any other driver out there. He has shown what he can do in the same car against top players and what he can do in a lesser car (To some extent) as well. Button is not on par with Lewis and neither was Nando. Lewis is aggressive and calm at the same time. Calculated and skillful.
Paul.
Its funny when the BBC announcers are saying that Hamilton sounded like he was just chilling out on a sofa chair when he was on the radio talking to his team. That just shows how calm Hamilton is.
As much as I do not care for Alonso, I really wished that him and Hamilton had worked things out. I believe that Mclaren would have been unstoppable if they were teammates. I do think Button is good, but he just doesn’t stand out like drivers such as Hamilton, Vet, Alonso, Kubica. I always feel that Hamilton is just carrying the team on his own, even though button is 10x better than Heiki. What I mean by that is, even if the car doesn’t favor the team, he always seem to manage to to beat out Button times with ease. It would have been really cool if Kimi was Hamilton team mate, because Kimi even though raced for Ferrari was my second fav driver in the series. The guy really knows how to race and when not to take chances, and if he did take chances he was very aggressive but smart like Hamilton. Which is why I wish kimi was still racing, for me he is way better then Alonso. And yes I use to call Kimi a drunk, but that was just jking around purposes.
As for Vet, he can be world champion this year, but the driver is only good when he is leading the pack. he isn't good when going up against vets in tier 1 class cars. He always seems like he has to touch them in some way. Watching the mistake he did with button, was like watching him hit Webber. That style of driving is not going help him any, he tries to overtake ppl in wrong points of the track, and ever single time he has doen that, he always f up. he sure is no hamilton or alonso in that Department.
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08-31-2010, 12:15 PM
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I agree with that, completely. That's why my noob comment about Nando. He did what Hamilton did last year at spa. Forced so much that he lost a good chance. Hamilton grew up more than Alonso, that's for sure. Alonso is the fastest guy and the best when it comes to driving, disappointing at times when it comes to racing.
We also have a team of pussies. A couple of **** drops from the sky and they immediately called him for a pit stop. Ferrari is really making every possible effort NOT to win the championship!
Massa is like many brazilian drivers, has serious high and extremely low races. Senna was of course an exception but he had troubles with schumacher as well.
Definitely, that's why sooner or later we'll bring the empire back and school all the britons again :p
We also have a team of pussies. A couple of **** drops from the sky and they immediately called him for a pit stop. Ferrari is really making every possible effort NOT to win the championship!
Massa is like many brazilian drivers, has serious high and extremely low races. Senna was of course an exception but he had troubles with schumacher as well.
Definitely, that's why sooner or later we'll bring the empire back and school all the britons again :p
I dont think Alonso is faster then hamilton. Reason why is, Alonso is only good when the car is good. If the car is not up to his liking he just seems to lax. Maybe he is trying his best to make the car faster, but from a F1 fan point of view, doesnt seem that is the case. Also if Alonso was faster then hamilton, he wouldnt had thrown a pissy fit while being at Mcarlen. Hamilton on the other hand shows us that he doesnt care if the car isnt up to par, he is going all out. We have seen how far ahead he finishes over this teammate in terms of spots.. If he wasnt pushing the car, he would be closer to his team mate finishing spots.
I feel that Button podium finshes were due to Driver error, pit stop error and pit wall error it seems.
Mcarlen wouldnt be were it is if Hamilton wasnt there. I honestly think that if it was just button and some other driver on the team, they would be some where further down the constructors. They are going up against a team that has the fastest cars, but only like 2 points away ( just checked, tehy are 1 point away )from being number 1 again. 2 drivers made that happen, but i feel one driver did most of the work as far as talking to the engineers for car developement.
so yah i really dont think alonso is the fastest and best driver on the track.
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08-31-2010, 12:44 PM
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08-31-2010, 06:38 PM
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08-31-2010, 07:17 PM
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It's funny; I've seen Lewis screw up, I've seen him ill treated, embarrassed, humiliated and defeated but never come off acting as pissed as Vettel while taking a podium finish no less. The stewards should have given him a further penalty for the disrespectful gestures during the drive through.
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09-01-2010, 02:19 AM
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It's funny; I've seen Lewis screw up, I've seen him ill treated, embarrassed, humiliated and defeated but never come off acting as pissed as Vettel while taking a podium finish no less. The stewards should have given him a further penalty for the disrespectful gestures during the drive through.
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09-01-2010, 05:34 AM
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I don't know who watched the BBC coverage of the F1 race, but Martin Brundle said Felipe Massa overshot the grid box "by 2 metres". No one mentioned anything during or after the race in the F1 news. Shouldn't that have been a penalty of some sort?