hondasr4kids

Actually I agree with him, not on the cavalier part which was just an expresion.

Merc63

So you want to agree with someone who is factually wrong? Ok.

globi

Merc63, I believe you made a good point with factual back up.
But you shouldn't get all riled up about someone that you believe sounds like a thirteen year old anyways. It's simply not worth the time.

canaryrx8

iTrader: (3)

nice project, could have done without the assholish "purist" comments on the site but whatever, I guess some people can't leave well enough alone.

camaro194

nice work. looks like it took alot of time and money to get it done right.

globi

For all the rotor heads. Here's a 350z with a 20B.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtIct...elated&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtiC7...elated&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldrpw...elated&search=

Merc63

So a Corvette in the same price ranges as the FD is the same as the FD other than the engine? You don't think that the FD looks better, is built better, or has better ergonomics? And you don't think that an FD retains all that when fitted with the V8? It's proven that the V8 doesn't ruin the balance or CG, and the exterior of the car isn't changed by putting a different engine in, so what exactly IS ruined?

If you say "soul" I'm gonna hunt you down and beat you sensless...

alfy28

soul is ruined

Merc63

And where, exactly, in a car is it's "soul." ? It's a mechanical device built by people (or more likely these days, robots). Where, exactly, on tat production line of mass produced mechanical devices, is teh station that installs a soul? Does the factory have invoices for it? Are they subcontracted? I didn't see a listing for it in my Haynes manual...

If you say the "soul" comes from the people that designed and built it, then I daresay a car lovingly hand assembled by it's owner has more soul than any mass produced car off of an assembly line...

Now I'ma gonna have to come find you...

rotary crazy

this threat its full of BS, you are takeing a completly modefied car and comparin it to a stock car?

I can move the 13b-rew in an fd 5 inches to the rear and 3 inches lower wiht out any problen IMAGEN WHAT THAT WILL DO TO THE CG AND THE BALANCE OF THE CAR?

put and all aluminun pport 20b in an fd, fit it as low as you can and as far back as you want and compare it to a v8 swap, dont tell me a 20b pport is not relayble, ever heard of lemas?

rotary enthusiast dont get fool! swaping a v8 into an rx-7 its not more than swaping a large engine into a car that came original with a small FI engine from the factory

you want to see art? check this out http://videos.streetfire.net/categor...CBD70EE2F7.htm

Umbra

26B in a corvette....

rotary crazy

one more thing the 1999/2002 rx-7 dynos at 280 to 290 rwhp so that would put it in 340 range really close to your 400 hp, im sure that wiht a couple of mods that pice of **** 13-b rew can make 400 hp.

mine with a t-78 a microtec and some injectors made 478 rwhp and im still on the same engine 3 years later! only change the seals a couple of times to make sure the engine was good.

alfy28

lol , btw the soul is ruined.

IronDonut

Holy crap!

So I was running some stats on my website traffic and it led me back to this conv thread. This bastard has really taken on a life of it's own.

http://www.irondonut.com

Superior piston power.

donut out.

Merc63

No, we're comparing what you can do with a certain amount of money. We're comparing different ways of coming up with a fun car.

Then do it. How many people have? And is it a bolt in? The V8 uses a bolt in mounting cradle and no mods to the chassis. You want to cut up your "rare" FD just to prove a point? Go right ahead.

Sure. I don't have the income of a small European nation to throw at it to achieve the same end result, so I'll stick with the V8 thank you. Unless YOU want to pay for the cost difference. It's not about being poor, it's about using my money wisely, and tossing cubic dollars at a project toy car just to fulfill your religious fervor is stupid.

It's Le Mans, and it's a 24 hour race. I don't know about you, but I plan on driving my cars for more than 24 hours. Reliability in a race is different than reliability in a daily driver.

English, mother f*er! Do you speak it?

Merc63

We don't get '99-2002 RX7s. From what I've read they made UP TO 280 flywheel hp, not 280-290 RWHP. What's the cost on duplicating that? And what't etorque band look like on the dyno?


How much money did it take to put on a larger, single turbo, computer and larger injectors? How much should I have spent on my N/A RX7 to duplicate that?

rotary crazy

y tu hablas español maric...n, y si se lo meti a tu madre

I put a 20 b engine on an rx-7 for less than 10,000 with a single turbo, so what?

dont come here thinking we are so stupid to think a v8 swap its and improvemend it is not!

the 1999 rx-7 made 280 to 290 RWHP, in japan they had a deal that no manufacturer publish more than 280hp

can a mod please close this threat?

rotary crazy

you can get a exhaust manifolt for $110 a turbo for $650 ( gt45r copy good for 500hp) and 2 larger injectors for $300 and an intercooler for $900.

hondasr4kids

An RX-7 with anything other than a rotary swaped in it is not an RX-7 is more of a kit car. After the swap is done yes you could have gotten a Vette not a ZO6.

GiN

...can't we all just get along?

The fact that anyone goes through the trouble of spending $10g on a car that is over 10 years old shows they value the machine to a "religious" extent for whatever reason. Normally people would just sell the car (or whatever's left of it) and get a new one right?

Whenever someone on this forum mentions doing a V8 swap, many dedicated rotary fans tend to pounce on him as some sort of pariah. As such, the people that come by the RX-7 and RX-8 forums talking about their V8-powered RXs will have a tendency to villify the rotary engine and its fans. Ah, the never-ending cycle.

I'd like to see a troll thread in a Corvette forum where some RX-V8 guy shows up and starts condemning the Corvette for ruining such a great engine like the LSx. It's a much better argument for a car itself when it has the same motor as those being trolled upon.

hondasr4kids

Oh I'm not saying that the motor is a POS or anything like that. Is more like putting ANY piston motor in a RX is like contrdicting its intended purpose. Most people with FD put piston motors in them because they are tire of dealing with them. If they knew what they where getting into, don't buy. I had 3 FDs,my frist one got stolen and totalled, my second one got sold with 202k miles on the ORIGINAL motor and my third had 93k when I sold it. Never had any issues with them and I drove them hard. If you treat a FD right and maintain it right, you will have less problems. People that do swap like this give the FD worst reputation that it already has.

Merc63

It's intended purpose was to be a relatively low cost, front engine, 2 seat, GT that made money for Mazda.


Most people that end up being tired of the rotary in the FD didn't know beforehand what they were getting into. They bought the car because it was light, looked excellent, and was priced right.

And why not put a powerful, reliable piston engine in a car that they already own and love the looks, ergonomics, build quality, suspension, etc of, when it's been proven that doing so does NOT remove the car's primary purpose: being a light, agile stylish 2 seat GT?



While you can say that about most cars, the fact is that the FD had problems right from the start. Even people that had extensive experience with other rotary cars had longetivity issues with them.

That's a load of horseshit. The RX7 lemon site was around before people started putting V8s in the FDs. V8 FDs are keeping interest in the car alive, and rekindling an interest in already dead examples that people normally wouldn't touch BECAUSE of the reputation of the RX7. Quit being a religious fanatic about a couple of spinning metal triangles. It's not like these people assraped your grandmother. They put a man made method of exploding dead dinosaurs into a man made machine that they own, that used a slightly DIFFERENT method of exploding dead dinosaurs as a means of making that machine move. And the end result is a lightweight, agile, stylish GT that is more than the sum of it's parts.