SayNoToPistons

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Cry your hearts out, it will be a rotary range extender Toyota Yaris iA.

9krpmrx8

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^ This.

200.mph

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preppie i aint no tree hugger but im talking about the batteries. read an article about the mining of materials for them last month but again as long as the d bags driving prius have better feelz. im not saying the super hybrid cars are bad in any way but any of the hybrid cars out now i could afford suck *****. rotary range extender is not a rotary powered car

sonicsdaman

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rx9 owners be all like

9krpmrx8

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It will be a proof of concept maybe but no hybrid buyer will buy anything rotary versus the competitions piston engine hybrids.

Mazda should focus on a sports car and forget the rotary. Reliability, Fuel economy, and performance are a realistic goal, but not with a rotary.

NotAPreppie

We should start a heretic group.

I agree and think that continued rotary development is a fool's errand.

BigCajun

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9krpmrx8

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The funniest part is that all the articles reference "RX-9" which is just made up by these blogs. The RX-9 was a four door turd made by Mazda in the 70's, I highly doubt they will re use the name on Halo car.


But what is even funnier is all the guys with "friends" at Mazda who swore a rotary powered sports car was coming soon and this guy just said what we have thought all along.

BigCajun

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sonicsdaman

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Hey who knows maybe the fancy swinging doors would look good on the 929(rx-9) wagon

UnknownJinX

And yet Honda kept the MT option for the new Accord, which doesn't even sell that well. They dropped the V6 and Coupe for the new Accord, but not MT. Let that sink in for a second.

Dodge charges a grand extra for the MT Challengers, and the MT sales aren't bad.

MINI Coopers sell about 30% MT models, while half of MX-5s sold are MT. When I went to the local Mazda dealership, there are tons of MX-5 with a stick shift.

Yeah, everyone understands that MT is less efficient nowadays and can be a pain in the traffic, but I still want it. It sounds unreasonable, but how do you reasonably explain things like joy and fun? You can't. MT is still far from dead.

In order to keep the revs high in the new rotary, I highly doubt a torque converter can work. After a certain RPM, torque converters just generates more heat than power.

Agreed.

What's the alternative, just flushing 50+ years of R&D down the drain?

Brettus

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Two more new rotary patents from Mazda:

https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...postcount=3644

9krpmrx8

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I agree with this guy:

Brettus

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I think what I did with my Siamese is better than either of those two designs .

sinkas

So the range extender had peri exhaust and 2 dummy side plate exhaust ports...

NotAPreppie

Yah, they want to be able to say that you can get an Accord for XYZ dollars.

Got data to back this up? I'm curious about the breakdown in trim levels, especially with the Challengers and MINIs.

I know. I didn't say it's dead. I just said the hysteria is funny. Either they're going away or they aren't and there isn't much that customers in low-volume demographics are going to be able to do about it.

This is why torque converters have lock-ups.

Gotta know when to fold. That said, your apparent characterization of that possibility is flawed. It's not like they didn't make money off of most of that R&D already.

UnknownJinX

Accord isn't even going to be that cheap, especially with the Honda Sensing standard with the 2018 models. This will likely bump the price up.

Honda claimed that they listened to the "Save the MT" crowd. I don't care if that's true or not, but I think I will give Honda some respect just because they are keeping the MT.

2016 Challenger Hellcat sales figure: Sales Numbers Just Proved What We All Knew: Dodge's Hellcats Are Hits

MINI "manual up" ads: Mini Sticks Up for the Stick in Manual-Transmission Ads ? Adweek

Welp, I know Porsche learned a dear lesson from the angry fans when they offered a limited edition without the MT option once.

Even with the 5% MT sales, that's not a small number of people. If they stop making MT in North America, I'd actually look into how to import cars from Europe, where MT is still thriving.

There are always ways.

Don't they only engage when you are going at a constant speed?

Lock up clutches are not that new, and yet AT RX-8 still have a lower redline due to the torque converter.

You do have a good point there. Definitely overlooked that.

Here, it sounds like some people are saying it's the time for the rotaries to end... which is kinda sad. We will see what happens.

BigCajun

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I don't think people are saying it's time, just realize that they aren't practical anymore without some type of breakthrough which hasn't presented itself.
I'm sure if there were a way to make it better Mazda would have announced it, or it would have leaked out by now.
I think people would live with it's other flaws if it were able to meet the modern emission standards.

ASH8

Mazda still working on rotary engine; needs more money

Mazda still working on rotary engine; needs more money

“At that time, last two years, I expected better from the business. Unfortunately our business has not so rapidly increased, therefore we need more time to do that.

“We have twice had bad experience for rotary engines for our financial situation, therefore we have to carefully consider and carefully decide how to do that. Some of the stakeholders and shareholders cannot allow it at this moment. Therefore, if we can get more robust business structure, I can explain it, I can get approval. If it’s needed.”

NotAPreppie

It's one of the things that has improved recently. Interestingly, in this area when marketing ***** talk about "fuel economy" they can also be said to be talking about power. This is because it's about making the most amount of useful power from a given amount of fuel. If you're heating up a torque converter, you're wasting energy. Efficiency means using less fuel for a given amount of power or making more power for a given amount of fuel.

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The SkyActiv drivetrain in my 6AT CX-3, while not the peppiest thing in the world, is still fun to drive. Tap the paddle-shifter to downshift and it blips the throttle and shifts easily as fast as I could in my 6MT RX-8. No, it's not as engaging but it's a damn far cry from the shitbox transmissions from 10-15 years ago.

I am in that heretical crowd. Mazda have the know-how to make an AMAZING sports car but they're too pig-headed about building the perfect rotary (regardless of transmission choice, these are two different discussions). Sure, they'd lose a few rotary purists but I would bet dollars-to-donuts that they would gain more sales overall.

comebackqid

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gotta agree with you preppie I daily a BM1 (2015 mazda 3 sGT) with the Auto and it isn't half bad not as fun as manual but hey when ever I find myself taking angeles crest home makes the car much more enjoyable.

9krpmrx8

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Anyone who whines about no manual has just never driven a DCT car or tuned (yes you can flash tune transmissions now) ZF Auto with substantial power.

BigCajun

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There's an aesthetic value to 3 pedal driving.
More is not always better for some people like myself.
No disputing the speed and power superiority, but there's something missing.
Kinda like streaming music and listening to vinyl albums.
There's a subtle, indefinable satisfaction to it.

9krpmrx8

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Yeah but I think if you drove an M3 or something similar you would feel different. I mean I love the 6MT in the 8, but I just know most of the people who bash autos just have not driven a decent one because I used to think the same way.

200.mph

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ive driven ferraris, pooches, and lambos with paddle shifters and i still prefer a fooking clutch pedal