fidelity101

they would base that on the mazda3 then the mazda 2 is just too small.

some of the older Rx4s had piston engine variants I know.

Mazmart

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Part of the wagon thing is the sleeper approach, the unexpected. It's a great hauler and does not have to be tall. When you customize a wagon in the US, you differentiate yourself from others and have practicality at the same time.

Paul.

dynamho

TRIVIA: This is because the Speed6 has shorter gearing. It needs 3rd to hit 60mph.

pdxhak

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Ultimate sleeper, hot hatch, and utility vehicle for me.

TALAN7

I'll have no interest in this car if it's slow. Mazda, being a sporty car division needs to up the ante performance wise on their cars to really distance themselves from the other brands. In every segment Mazda needs to do this.

SayNoToPistons

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^ Well keep wishing, because in no way Mazda will become the Porsche of Japan .

SayNoToPistons

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Not to mention that this will be strictly a daily driver as the 8 or 7 will be the garage queen. I want something that is practical, efficient, yet great to look at and drive. Not to mention that I want a change from the typical American SUV/CUV. The CX-5 does it for me, but the Mazda6 wagon will do it even more.

MattMPS

I know there are many differences between US and Euro Motorists..but....

soccer moms cars here are mainly SUVs (every size) and small cars (a.k.a Mazda2)...

Wagons are used by males into 30-40's as daily driver

Bladecutter

If they did, would anyone here complain?

BC.

MattMPS

porsche currently build and sell (very well, indeed) "over-2-ton" diesel SUVs and fat-*** sedans....

SayNoToPistons

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No, but Mazda is not financially capable and won't have the brand identity of Porsche any time soon. Not to mention, Porsche has the economical power house (VW) to back them up in engineering R&D.

I was responding to the performance and success relevance of TALAN7's post.

TALAN7

But if Mazda is going to keep marketing itself as a performance division they need to up their performance. Take a look at this recent comparison of the Ford Escape, Honda CR-V, Kia Sportage, Mazda CX-5, VW Tiguan and you'll see that the CX5 is the slowest of the bunch, so much so that the tester really pointed out how slow it was. They like it and I like it too but Mazda keeps shooting themselves in the foot when the make sporty vehicles but then don't imbued them with the engines they deserve. The CX5 came in 2nd. Imagine if it had more power, the testers claimed it would've been in 1st. It would most likely outsell as well.

Ford Escape vs. Honda CR-V vs. Kia Sportage vs. Mazda CX-5 vs. Volkswagen Tiguan - 2012/2013 Compact Crossover SUV Comparison - Motor Trend

bse50

I drove different KIA sportage of different trims, own a 2.0 tdi tiguan as of last month and test drove a diesel cx5.
So i can fairly say that...Motor Trend's article is full of bullshit.

ASH8

US does not have the CX-5 Diesel YET..then we will see.

I get bored about the same $hit in the US..POWER...POWER...POWER.

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YOU JUST Don't Get it!

The 2.0l SA CX-5 is TUNE for Ecomomy..so get used to it..the world is sick of the US guzzling all the worlds Oil.......lol.....JK!

Duck for cover...incoming!

Jedi54

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I'd buy it if it had more power.

RIWWP

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I agree with you Ash...

TALAN7

I get it. It's tuned for economy, but I also have to merge onto the highway in the morning and need decent passing power. Mazda could've owned this division if they had just given us the engine they have in Europe

RIWWP

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^ they are?

Diesel for the US was delayed, but it is definitely on it's way...

fuztupnz

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Did someone say diesel?

Bladecutter

The CX-5 has decent passing power.
You just want more power, yet the same fuel economy.

Or, maybe you're choosing to make passes that aren't really the best time to make passes, if you really need that much more power.

BC.

Spin9k

If 0-60 mph in 9.4 sec (Motor Trend comparison) is fast enough for you all, you live in a VERY different world then we in the US of A, at least on the East Coast! That type of get up and nogo is bog slow, painfully slow, almost barge like slow. A Prius does 0-60 mph in ~10.4 sec - so it does beat that - but not by much. The eventual diesel may give better numbers, not really sure, but a diesel is never going to sell in the numbers Mazda needs to be a class leader in this country, and if they don't make big numbers in the SUV segment, they're in a heap of trouble here as that's what every Tom, Dick, and Jane seem to want.

Mazda needs to strike a balance between economy and general motive utility... and those numbers just ain't it.

RIWWP

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>70% of cars on the road have acceleration rates about in that range, if not slower. And people USE 0-60 in more like the 20 second range.


I'm sure you probably yell at them plenty as they clog up the on ramps and don't let you get up to speed.

The diesel will have markedly quicker times, because it's 20hp and 150ftlb more torque.... But still, MOST people don't buy their cars for power. They really don't. Even in the US. They don't buy cars for power. A very tiny segment does.

If you want some proof that the acceleration of the CX-5 is sufficient, take a look at the sales rates vs expectations. Take a look at Mazda having to double production capacity of the engine because of demand. Magazines that love to feature interesting cars, high performing cars, etc... are GOING to have a bias towards power. That doesn't make them even a significant portion of the consumer market, and as such you can't be influenced by what magazine's say about something as subjective as "enough" power.

No, you are one of the few, not one of the many here. Doesn't mean your desires are less valid, it just means that your opinions aren't held in the majority.



And besides, increase the power of the gas CX-5 and you drop the mileage AND increase the price. Two things Mazda can not afford to do. Mileage and price is what sells vehicles vs their competition for the normal public consumer, not power. NOT power. Power is tertiary at best.

Spin9k

Please provide source for this statistic.

RIWWP

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Eyeballs?


Take a look at the cars on the road when you drive. How many are older than 10 years old? 20 years old?

Next time you are at a light with another car, accelerate at a rate of ~10 sec 0-60, pretty good chance that you will be accelerating noticeably faster than the car next to you. Even you in the 8, don't do 0-60 in 6 seconds at every light. More like ~10-15 seconds.


Max performance numbers are NOT used on the road more than a fraction of the time, and even that fraction gets decried as being retarded, unsafe, reckless, crazy, nuts, etc...

Just pay attention to cars around you and what they are doing and it gets pretty obvious.

ASH8

This is what BUGS me about so called 'EXPERTS' in their field...in the USA.

Guys like Peter De Lorenzo an ex-GM Design guy who contributes on Autoline Daily (USA),
now the guys are well respected, but, like here in Australia ALL they talk about is GM products and how good it now is...I would call it Better, NOT BEST or Good.

Autoline talks about other Makes/Models/Brands, and when it comes to Mazda and SKYACTIV he says it is stupid, nonsensical, does not make any sense, but when compared to Fords Ecoboost, everyone understands what it means...REALLY...Do they? understand ECO-Boost?...no more nonsensical then Skyactiv.

How did the SA name happen?, well Mazda management said to it's head technicians, all 298 of them to think "the sky is the limit" when designing, experimenting, prototyping what we know of today.

So Mazda are reaping rewards with doubled planed production, some people do GET it Mr De-Lorenzo.

Perhaps YOU should read up a little on what it actually IS and MEANs, it is not nonsense it IS REAL ALL New Real life ENGINEERING.

You have to laugh when Bob Lutz says GM must be congratulated on "how" they have reduced so much weight on the all new ATS..BIG Deal.

Mazda ARE the kings of loosing weight.

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