Lexus reveals $375,000 LF-A at Tokyo Auto Show
10-23-2009, 12:03 PM
#77
jersey fresh
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Boston, MA
Posts: 3,688
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The reason its 375k is not because its ahead of the curve technically, its because toyota designed and researched all its technology in house (when it of course existed already in a 3rd party company.)
I'm not bashing the research poured into it, but don't claim its the cream of the crop.
I'm not bashing the research poured into it, but don't claim its the cream of the crop.
10-23-2009, 12:15 PM
#78
whines all the way home
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Towson/Baltimore, MD
Posts: 7,402
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes
on
2 Posts
Ummm did I miss something, If corvette were to have released the ZR1 at 500 units I bet it would have been much higher than $375K and then the public would be reacting the same way,,, Exclusivity comes at a price, especially when there are such high expectations,,,
Exactly,,, and they even advertise that in the promo video,,, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDsXsdNgov0
Last edited by Rotr8; 10-23-2009 at 12:18 PM.
10-23-2009, 12:35 PM
#79
Power!!
Yeah but even at 1000 or 2000 units it's still pretty exclusive and it would have cut the overhead cost per car in half or even by 4X. I know the carbon fiber work is pretty expensive, which may be the major cost driver in this case but it seems like they could have gotten the cost down a lot more and still been very exclusive.
Again I'm not knocking the car. Just the price point.
Again I'm not knocking the car. Just the price point.
10-23-2009, 12:54 PM
#80
^ honestly i do agree with you thats when the fun starts BUT they need to make it economical and thats what i doubt they will be able to do in the next 5 or even 10 years coz they can throw the technology into a 370z but if they wanna charge 300k for it they might as well make only 500 coz i dont think anyone wants a 370z for 300k or even 200k see what i mean?
10-23-2009, 01:05 PM
#81
whines all the way home
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Towson/Baltimore, MD
Posts: 7,402
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes
on
2 Posts
yeah well Nissans only source for any R&D is JGTC, not nearly the same as F1,,,
Series like ALMS, JGTC, BSTC, etc etc is where you take yrs to improve on what youve got and bring it to its highest level of performance, its a evolution, thats why the newest base model corvette can spank the **** out of a Z06 from three yrs ago, F1 is a whole different animal, where you are forced to "invent" new technology every few months just to have a prayer at a decent spot on the grid,,,
I kinda aggree alittle with everyone who is slamming the price point but again its not about the price and its not about bringing that tech to people like us who cant afford a $375K car, its about a new begining for Toyota, saying "we're ready to take on the world, we know we are the best car manufctuer, and heres another reason we thought we show all of you"
Series like ALMS, JGTC, BSTC, etc etc is where you take yrs to improve on what youve got and bring it to its highest level of performance, its a evolution, thats why the newest base model corvette can spank the **** out of a Z06 from three yrs ago, F1 is a whole different animal, where you are forced to "invent" new technology every few months just to have a prayer at a decent spot on the grid,,,
I kinda aggree alittle with everyone who is slamming the price point but again its not about the price and its not about bringing that tech to people like us who cant afford a $375K car, its about a new begining for Toyota, saying "we're ready to take on the world, we know we are the best car manufctuer, and heres another reason we thought we show all of you"
10-23-2009, 01:18 PM
#82
Registered
I think ppl forget,
1. the car weighs 3.2k pounds. You must ask your self, how can a car with a V10 as a engine weigh that much. Well its pretty easy, its the material they used to build the car. The car pretty much weighs as much as RX8. So the material they used, must cost them a pretty penny.
Just like Ferraris, mclarens, astons etc.
2. the Technolgy in this car, must cost a alot also.
How many cars do you know, that allows you to set how the engine will preform on a fly? besides Ferrari, Mclarens, Aston etc?
3. i know when you look at this car, it doesnt say 375k. but your forgetting, what is the price to actually build this car? everything in this car was hand built pretty much, just like your mcarlens, Astons, ferrari. So pretty much your paying for , Technogly, etc, not on how the car looks.
If i was to compare Ferrari/mclaren F1 car to say toyota/honda F1 car. you will notice that these cars look alike. but what makes Ferrai/Mclaren cost much over toyota/honda, is what they spent on technolgy.
which the same goes for this car.
now i am not defending lexus or anything. but its pretty obvious that building this car cost alot of money.
also like ferrari etc, they are not mass producing this car. which is also cost alot of money to do.
1. the car weighs 3.2k pounds. You must ask your self, how can a car with a V10 as a engine weigh that much. Well its pretty easy, its the material they used to build the car. The car pretty much weighs as much as RX8. So the material they used, must cost them a pretty penny.
Just like Ferraris, mclarens, astons etc.
2. the Technolgy in this car, must cost a alot also.
How many cars do you know, that allows you to set how the engine will preform on a fly? besides Ferrari, Mclarens, Aston etc?
3. i know when you look at this car, it doesnt say 375k. but your forgetting, what is the price to actually build this car? everything in this car was hand built pretty much, just like your mcarlens, Astons, ferrari. So pretty much your paying for , Technogly, etc, not on how the car looks.
If i was to compare Ferrari/mclaren F1 car to say toyota/honda F1 car. you will notice that these cars look alike. but what makes Ferrai/Mclaren cost much over toyota/honda, is what they spent on technolgy.
which the same goes for this car.
now i am not defending lexus or anything. but its pretty obvious that building this car cost alot of money.
also like ferrari etc, they are not mass producing this car. which is also cost alot of money to do.
10-23-2009, 01:19 PM
#83
^^ now you have a point and i know f1 is way ahead of anything technologically and i also agree its about toyota showing the world they got what it takes to build a supercar ... but see with deep enough pockets i think even kia could build one its about building something with limited resources and making it available to the public. take the 370z for instance (personally i dont like it) but **** that this is bang for the buck just like the GTR and the ZR1 and im not a racing fan but the zr1 doesnt have any f1 background yet its faster? and the zr1 is pretty dam exclusive plus it has the 'corvette" name to go with it .... and its not just the vette take the gtr too plus with only 500 being made its probably gonna land in car collections and in the hands of people who will "cruise" in it ... whats the fun in that ... do you see my point? i mean i think the car is pretty good looking and has some serious tech but when you can have better tech better looks at a lower price with a nametag like Ferrari what is the point of this car then? btw when r u gnna put out the hood vents i want them soo bad lol
10-23-2009, 01:25 PM
#84
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 2,047
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think ppl forget,
1. the car weighs 3.2k pounds. You must ask your self, how can a car with a V10 as a engine weigh that much. Well its pretty easy, its the material they used to build the car. The car pretty much weighs as much as RX8. So the material they used, must cost them a pretty penny.
Just like Ferraris, mclarens, astons etc.
2. the Technolgy in this car, must cost a alot also.
How many cars do you know, that allows you to set how the engine will preform on a fly? besides Ferrari, Mclarens, Aston etc?
3. i know when you look at this car, it doesnt say 375k. but your forgetting, what is the price to actually build this car? everything in this car was hand built pretty much, just like your mcarlens, Astons, ferrari. So pretty much your paying for , Technogly, etc, not on how the car looks.
If i was to compare Ferrari/mclaren F1 car to say toyota/honda F1 car. you will notice that these cars look alike. but what makes Ferrai/Mclaren cost much over toyota/honda, is what they spent on technolgy.
which the same goes for this car.
now i am not defending lexus or anything. but its pretty obvious that building this car cost alot of money.
also like ferrari etc, they are not mass producing this car. which is also cost alot of money to do.
1. the car weighs 3.2k pounds. You must ask your self, how can a car with a V10 as a engine weigh that much. Well its pretty easy, its the material they used to build the car. The car pretty much weighs as much as RX8. So the material they used, must cost them a pretty penny.
Just like Ferraris, mclarens, astons etc.
2. the Technolgy in this car, must cost a alot also.
How many cars do you know, that allows you to set how the engine will preform on a fly? besides Ferrari, Mclarens, Aston etc?
3. i know when you look at this car, it doesnt say 375k. but your forgetting, what is the price to actually build this car? everything in this car was hand built pretty much, just like your mcarlens, Astons, ferrari. So pretty much your paying for , Technogly, etc, not on how the car looks.
If i was to compare Ferrari/mclaren F1 car to say toyota/honda F1 car. you will notice that these cars look alike. but what makes Ferrai/Mclaren cost much over toyota/honda, is what they spent on technolgy.
which the same goes for this car.
now i am not defending lexus or anything. but its pretty obvious that building this car cost alot of money.
also like ferrari etc, they are not mass producing this car. which is also cost alot of money to do.
Toyota in this case, started from a clean sheet, engine AND platform.
________
PAXIL ATTORNEYS
Last edited by Renesis_8; 09-11-2011 at 03:24 PM.
10-23-2009, 01:41 PM
#85
Registered
The best example for me to use is, PS3 Vs 360.
When you look at both consoles, they are pretty much equal.
But when you actually look to see what made the PS3 cost 600.00 at launch, vs 360 300.00. then you might get a bigger picture why this car cost so much
1. PS3 came with Blue Tooth, were 360 is infrared . so we know blue tooth will cost more then infrared. Because blue tooth is new technology ,where infrared has been out for mannnnny years.
2. Blu ray drive for the ps3, where 360 uses DVD. The price for Blu ray driver was way more then the dvd technology that has been out for 10 years prior.
3. Wifi for the ps3, and hardconnect, were 360 is just hardconnect.
So when you take all what I have listed for the ps3, and use the same tech as the 360. The price for the ps3, would have been the same as the 360. But since PS3 has new technology, then your paying the price of what the technogly would cost during that time period.
Which pretty much what lexus has done. The tech you see in this car, you will not see it in your vette, or GTR, or any mass produce car today.
The technology in this car, will be out for your conventional cars. But not any time soon.
When you look at both consoles, they are pretty much equal.
But when you actually look to see what made the PS3 cost 600.00 at launch, vs 360 300.00. then you might get a bigger picture why this car cost so much
1. PS3 came with Blue Tooth, were 360 is infrared . so we know blue tooth will cost more then infrared. Because blue tooth is new technology ,where infrared has been out for mannnnny years.
2. Blu ray drive for the ps3, where 360 uses DVD. The price for Blu ray driver was way more then the dvd technology that has been out for 10 years prior.
3. Wifi for the ps3, and hardconnect, were 360 is just hardconnect.
So when you take all what I have listed for the ps3, and use the same tech as the 360. The price for the ps3, would have been the same as the 360. But since PS3 has new technology, then your paying the price of what the technogly would cost during that time period.
Which pretty much what lexus has done. The tech you see in this car, you will not see it in your vette, or GTR, or any mass produce car today.
The technology in this car, will be out for your conventional cars. But not any time soon.
10-23-2009, 02:00 PM
#87
Registered
Its like sitting inside a Lotus, EVo etc. they dont come with fancy gadgets , but yet how they perform, determines how much tehy cost.
when you look at ferrari, it also doesnt come with lots of fancy gadgets. but your paying for how they built the car, how many hands (not machines) touched this car, what type of material was used to keep the car light, and the engine.
LFA your paying for all the new technogly what you see in the cockpit, and the rest is built like ferrari's (hand stitched seats, etc).
10-23-2009, 04:05 PM
#88
whines all the way home
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Towson/Baltimore, MD
Posts: 7,402
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes
on
2 Posts
^^ now you have a point and i know f1 is way ahead of anything technologically and i also agree its about toyota showing the world they got what it takes to build a supercar ... but see with deep enough pockets i think even kia could build one its about building something with limited resources and making it available to the public. take the 370z for instance (personally i dont like it) but **** that this is bang for the buck just like the GTR and the ZR1 and im not a racing fan but the zr1 doesnt have any f1 background yet its faster? and the zr1 is pretty dam exclusive plus it has the 'corvette" name to go with it .... and its not just the vette take the gtr too plus with only 500 being made its probably gonna land in car collections and in the hands of people who will "cruise" in it ... whats the fun in that ... do you see my point? i mean i think the car is pretty good looking and has some serious tech but when you can have better tech better looks at a lower price with a nametag like Ferrari what is the point of this car then? btw when r u gnna put out the hood vents i want them soo bad lol
The ZR1 has yrs upon yrs of development wrapped up from ALMS, doesnt have any new tech it just makes what it has work better than everyone else, just like I said before,,,
My stuff will be done when its done, that thread has gotten way off track, it was initially intended to show people how to build things and why I was building them, the last couple pages have just been "when can I buy it", I really had no intention from the begining to sell the stuff but I can, when all of it is finished,,,
10-23-2009, 04:51 PM
#89
Registered
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 621
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Lamborghini Gallardos don't cost in the $300s, Murcielagos do. And to be honest, if I'm paying 375K on a supercar, it wouldn't be a Toyota. I'm getting a Murcielago LP640-4.
It's that or:
A. Save money and get an Audi R10 (an Audi R8 with the Gallardo's V10; Audi does listen to automotive criticism)
or
B. Put in an extra 100K and get a Murcielago LP670-4 SV ... a hyper-car http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4qyFnu1etA
[EMBED]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4qyFnu1etA[/EMBED]
... I'm a Lambo fan.
It's that or:
A. Save money and get an Audi R10 (an Audi R8 with the Gallardo's V10; Audi does listen to automotive criticism)
or
B. Put in an extra 100K and get a Murcielago LP670-4 SV ... a hyper-car http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4qyFnu1etA
[EMBED]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4qyFnu1etA[/EMBED]
... I'm a Lambo fan.
Last edited by crimson-rain; 10-23-2009 at 05:03 PM.
10-23-2009, 05:32 PM
#91
whines all the way home
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Towson/Baltimore, MD
Posts: 7,402
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes
on
2 Posts
Track focused LFA may be in the works,,,
Autoblog - http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/23/l...used-stripped/
We're still trying to wrap our heads around yesterday's drive of the Lexus LFA, but before we give up the goods on Toyota's first V10-powered hypercar (check back on Monday), we cornered Paul Williamsen, the National Manager of Lexus College, about ToMoCo's plans to offer a harder, track-focused LFA.
In the last few years of development, Lexus considered building several more LFAs to be used in a one-make spec series to pit wealthy privateers against each other, further accentuating the LFA's extensive motorsport involvement. That plan fell by the wayside when Toyota decided to limit production to just 500 units.
However, Lexus is actively considering offering owners the option to purchase a decontented LFA, stripped of its luxurious, tech-laden interior and fitted with more track oriented features to be used as a weekend racer. A final decision hasn't been made yet, but Williamsen was clear that these hardened LFAs would have to be created out of the current allocation, as Lexus is intent on keeping production to a "hard" 500 units. Considering that nearly all the components fitted to the LFA were derived from prototypes that ran at the 24 Hours of Nurburgring and other events (the suspension remains adjustable for corner balancing and nearly all the components on the race cars were serialed production pieces), it wouldn't take much to turn the LFA into a tried-and-true racer with a few thoughtful, minimal mods.
Autoblog - http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/23/l...used-stripped/
We're still trying to wrap our heads around yesterday's drive of the Lexus LFA, but before we give up the goods on Toyota's first V10-powered hypercar (check back on Monday), we cornered Paul Williamsen, the National Manager of Lexus College, about ToMoCo's plans to offer a harder, track-focused LFA.
In the last few years of development, Lexus considered building several more LFAs to be used in a one-make spec series to pit wealthy privateers against each other, further accentuating the LFA's extensive motorsport involvement. That plan fell by the wayside when Toyota decided to limit production to just 500 units.
However, Lexus is actively considering offering owners the option to purchase a decontented LFA, stripped of its luxurious, tech-laden interior and fitted with more track oriented features to be used as a weekend racer. A final decision hasn't been made yet, but Williamsen was clear that these hardened LFAs would have to be created out of the current allocation, as Lexus is intent on keeping production to a "hard" 500 units. Considering that nearly all the components fitted to the LFA were derived from prototypes that ran at the 24 Hours of Nurburgring and other events (the suspension remains adjustable for corner balancing and nearly all the components on the race cars were serialed production pieces), it wouldn't take much to turn the LFA into a tried-and-true racer with a few thoughtful, minimal mods.
10-23-2009, 05:56 PM
#93
funny you should mention, not Kia but Hyundai, - http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/22/v...-named-spirra/
The ZR1 has yrs upon yrs of development wrapped up from ALMS, doesnt have any new tech it just makes what it has work better than everyone else, just like I said before,,,
My stuff will be done when its done, that thread has gotten way off track, it was initially intended to show people how to build things and why I was building them, the last couple pages have just been "when can I buy it", I really had no intention from the begining to sell the stuff but I can, when all of it is finished,,,
The ZR1 has yrs upon yrs of development wrapped up from ALMS, doesnt have any new tech it just makes what it has work better than everyone else, just like I said before,,,
My stuff will be done when its done, that thread has gotten way off track, it was initially intended to show people how to build things and why I was building them, the last couple pages have just been "when can I buy it", I really had no intention from the begining to sell the stuff but I can, when all of it is finished,,,
10-23-2009, 06:17 PM
#94
Registered RX-8 User
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: PA/MD
Posts: 718
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
One of the best sounding road cars, but it is far from great looking. The rear is just ugly.
I understand the development and low production numbers are the reason for the price tag, but $375 for a toyota? I would take a Carrera GT, 2 x F430, 599, 3 x R8, 3 x ZR1 with a GT-R, Etc...
I understand the development and low production numbers are the reason for the price tag, but $375 for a toyota? I would take a Carrera GT, 2 x F430, 599, 3 x R8, 3 x ZR1 with a GT-R, Etc...
10-23-2009, 06:44 PM
#96
Registered
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: private area in south florida
Posts: 421
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
i figured that since this is lexus, a luxo brand, they would have tried to create someting a lil more mass produced at a cheaper price...perfect competetor for the Audi R8 maybe????
10-24-2009, 12:23 PM
#97
Forget the badge on the hood, if it was a prancing horse, people would be applauding it. And they would, because any way you slice it, this car is a supercar.
Obviously we'll find out more as people start driving them, but I'm quite excited about this car. Not because of the car, but because of the idea behind the car; and the fact that it comes from Toyota not a Ferrari, Lambo, etc.
Oh, and:
Last edited by BlueEyes; 10-24-2009 at 12:27 PM.
10-24-2009, 03:17 PM
#98
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 100
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I'd buy one, if I won the lottery.
It certainly would be very exclusive and in the supercar world-that is very nice. How many Spykers or Koenegseggs have you seen. I've never seen one. I looked high in low in Geneva, Zurich, London, Amsterdam, Madrid, Paris and Lisbon and the result was zilch.
Ferraris, Lambos, I see all the time in Miami, London and Amsterdam-not quite a dime a dozen. The Lex. will be a very rare breed.
I can't wait till they roadtest them against Ferrari, Lambos and a Spyker or Koenegsegg. Should be fun to see the end result.
Good to see Lex take the risk and produce a supercar that stand toe to toe with the Italians.
btw people who can afford these supercars usually have multiple supercars and $375k is chump change to them.
It certainly would be very exclusive and in the supercar world-that is very nice. How many Spykers or Koenegseggs have you seen. I've never seen one. I looked high in low in Geneva, Zurich, London, Amsterdam, Madrid, Paris and Lisbon and the result was zilch.
Ferraris, Lambos, I see all the time in Miami, London and Amsterdam-not quite a dime a dozen. The Lex. will be a very rare breed.
I can't wait till they roadtest them against Ferrari, Lambos and a Spyker or Koenegsegg. Should be fun to see the end result.
Good to see Lex take the risk and produce a supercar that stand toe to toe with the Italians.
btw people who can afford these supercars usually have multiple supercars and $375k is chump change to them.
Last edited by iwc3707; 10-24-2009 at 03:21 PM.
10-24-2009, 08:23 PM
#99
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 363
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think ppl forget,
1. the car weighs 3.2k pounds. You must ask your self, how can a car with a V10 as a engine weigh that much. Well its pretty easy, its the material they used to build the car. The car pretty much weighs as much as RX8. So the material they used, must cost them a pretty penny.
Just like Ferraris, mclarens, astons etc.
2. the Technolgy in this car, must cost a alot also.
How many cars do you know, that allows you to set how the engine will preform on a fly? besides Ferrari, Mclarens, Aston etc?
3. i know when you look at this car, it doesnt say 375k. but your forgetting, what is the price to actually build this car? everything in this car was hand built pretty much, just like your mcarlens, Astons, ferrari. So pretty much your paying for , Technogly, etc, not on how the car looks.
If i was to compare Ferrari/mclaren F1 car to say toyota/honda F1 car. you will notice that these cars look alike. but what makes Ferrai/Mclaren cost much over toyota/honda, is what they spent on technolgy.
which the same goes for this car.
now i am not defending lexus or anything. but its pretty obvious that building this car cost alot of money.
also like ferrari etc, they are not mass producing this car. which is also cost alot of money to do.
1. the car weighs 3.2k pounds. You must ask your self, how can a car with a V10 as a engine weigh that much. Well its pretty easy, its the material they used to build the car. The car pretty much weighs as much as RX8. So the material they used, must cost them a pretty penny.
Just like Ferraris, mclarens, astons etc.
2. the Technolgy in this car, must cost a alot also.
How many cars do you know, that allows you to set how the engine will preform on a fly? besides Ferrari, Mclarens, Aston etc?
3. i know when you look at this car, it doesnt say 375k. but your forgetting, what is the price to actually build this car? everything in this car was hand built pretty much, just like your mcarlens, Astons, ferrari. So pretty much your paying for , Technogly, etc, not on how the car looks.
If i was to compare Ferrari/mclaren F1 car to say toyota/honda F1 car. you will notice that these cars look alike. but what makes Ferrai/Mclaren cost much over toyota/honda, is what they spent on technolgy.
which the same goes for this car.
now i am not defending lexus or anything. but its pretty obvious that building this car cost alot of money.
also like ferrari etc, they are not mass producing this car. which is also cost alot of money to do.
