bassy

I don't really care how the LF-A fans slice and dice it, the name "Lexus" simply doesn't sound exotic enough. Take a look back and see why Toyota had to create "Lexus" in the first place. Maybe Toyota needs to create a new brand name for its exotic line of cars. Maybe they should name it "Lexoticus" instead. The Lexoticus LF-A...That doesn't sound too bad, huh?

alfy28

Yah, its ppl who prefer a Status to determine what car they buy, instead of buying a car they like. . In japan, their wasnt a lexus till what 2003-2004? reason is, all high class car under toyota was branded toyota in japan. They didnt divide its customers due to pay grade. Only in the US they did that. Because of GM and Ford , having different car companies for ppl with different pay grades. So they followed GM and Fords ways of having a Mid class company, to higher class company.

Also if Ferrari started out as a mass production company, and decided to make a super car. would you be saying the same for the name ferrari? i can see you saying it wasnt exotic enough. so my next question is, what determines a exotic name in the first place?

Also LFA fans are not defending the name. Its obvious they don’t care who makes the car, they only care what under the hood. And also understand why this car is priced high. A true car fan doesn’t care what the car is branded by, they only care on how well it performs and handles.

renesisgenesis

well instead of buying this, one could get the new ferrari 458 which costs less and has more power, more torque, less weight, and even more race inspired tech. The ferrari is also a ferrari, not a toyota, so again it wins. But the thing is, cars are worth whatever people will pay for them, so if they sell all of them easily, then I guess 375k is probably too low.

rodjonathan

iTrader: (6)

^ my point exactly i mean this will sell to all these idiots who will never even push it or even really drive it the 458 is sexier faster more efficient if i remember correctly cheaper and has more tech for sure so i dont see where the lfa fits in or what its purpose is ... ive said it before and i understand its an advanced car but like ive said before with deep enough pockets anyone can make a supercar

rodjonathan

iTrader: (6)

ok for toyota to F U all the comments that they are boring etc they would have to make more than a supercar that costs 375000 for real ... i mean they build quality cars like no other but look at their lineup! every car they make is BORING flat out boring and im not a hater we have had 3 camrys and 6 lexus cars in our house before (not me and the gf but mom and dads household more like) but not anymore coz we finally decided the quality and reliability wasnt worth being bored for especially if you drive alot like we do there is nothing exciting they offer! so again i see they tried to prove a point but one car isnt gonna cut it then again this is my opinion and to each his own :P

alfy28

wow, 458 is 3.5 (0-60) and LFA is 3.7 (0-60)
its not even 1-2sec faster.

Rotr8

iTrader: (2)

umm thats incorrect, not only does this car have more tech, it has tech that is new and never seen in a road car,,,

I also love how people talk about 0-60 numbers like its the end all benchmark for the standard of a car,,, Its not a drag rail,,,,

rodjonathan

iTrader: (6)

^ i doubt this has more tech than the 458 or enzos i mean you said before Ferrari has years and years even decades of experience theres a reason Ferrari can charge 200k for their cars theyve earned it over the years and years of stuff theyve built i mean come on now i know its really advanced and exclusive but you cant compare it to the likes of Ferrari seriously? also yea in cabin tech maybe i still havent read up completely on the lfa but i mean with a car like this who needs the cabin tech its wonderful to have and its great that lexus incorporated into a supercar but i mean its STILL a lexus ... also just so youll know im not lookin for a fight or anything coz i just realized ive been at it since the thread started so i come in peace LOL

renesisgenesis

Then why does it have a larger engine than the Ferrari yet produces less torque and less bhp? Why does it weigh more? Why does it not have the F1 differential like in the Ferrari?

rodjonathan

iTrader: (6)

^ thank you very much i mean if they have to use a v10 to produce less than a v8 does obviously theyre missing something right?

alfy28

Glad that rotr8 knows that I am talking about.

When you look at the cockpit of the Ferrari, what you see is what you get. Now its good for a person who just wants to track a car.

But when you look at lexus, you hell alot more. Now this is good for a person who wants to track and use their car outside of track. So all things you see in the lexus car, cost money. They could of gone the Ferrari route and just stick to typical super car cockpit lay out.

But this is Toyota we are talking about . like Nissan, and Honda, They spend a lot of money on new technogly that helps driving. Where Ferrari, and other supercar spend money on track use only .

Which is why comparing Toyota to Ferrari is very hard thing to do. Toyota main goal is to ease driving for millions of ppl, where Ferrari is only tending to make their fans happy. So to come up with new technology = spending money.

The problem with a lot of posters here is, they are looking at this car as a Car enthusiast , when this car is actually built with technology that you will see in the near future.

Now since both do use F1 racing to help develope their cars. but like i said earlier, ferrari only uses it for the their fans base.

where toyota, and Honda used F1 to help better their car for millions of ppl.

Rotr8

iTrader: (2)

and what exactly does power output have to do with technology again? I can make a four banger twice as powerful as both engines, based on 20 year old turbo tech,,,

rodjonathan

iTrader: (6)

where toyota, and Honda used F1 to help better their car for millions of ppl.

this i do agree with coz of course not everyone can afford a Ferrari but wait not many can afford this either and i know you mean that theyre showing they can use it and will incorporate it into more and more cars in the near future ... my only problem is i dont think they will and if they do it will cost ALOT thats what i feel and if they can bring the cost down i will give them a high five coz they totally deserve it ... right now they dont coz they just built a supercar that cost more than most exotics out there and is slower heavier and not as sexy (subjective of course)

alfy28

i take it you think, when a eletronic device comes out to the market, the price is set in stone for the remaing of its life?

Yes it cost alot of money now, but over hte years, the price drops. and also mass producing it also helps also.

this car, is basically a test car for their techongly. just like the nsx was to honda

ZumnRx8

with $375k ill have Racing Beat build me a FURAI... or better yet a 4 rotor Monster.....

lesper4

iTrader: (3)

not getting too deep into the conversation but what is with the exposed screws on the spoilers above the rear taillights?

alfy28

lets think abotu what you just said ok? its obvious that the engine can put out more torque, and HP. but you fail to notice, Ferrari cars are built for race car drivers s, wannabe race car drivers and as a trophy for rich ppl. .

where the LFA is built for race car drivers, , and rich ppl who would actually use this car, and not as some trophy at their home.

like i said earlier, Ferrari build their cars strictly to their car enthusiast, were toyota builds their cars for both consumers and car enthusiast.


Now i am not sure how much of a F1 fan you are, but if your like me, who is a die hard F1 fan. then you will notice, the most unrealiable engine out on the track besides Renault, is Ferrari. I wish they invest their money on making their engine last thru races. Which Toyota doesnt have a problem with.

So with ferrari who has a high percent of engine failures in F1, makes me wonder how realiable is their engine outside of F1. if its anything like F1, the cost to maintain the car must cost a pretty peny

rodjonathan

iTrader: (6)

im no die hard f1 fan bro but i do follow it and i have noticed they are the most unreliable ... but yet theyre the most winning team and have had the most winning drivers EVER ... you do however make an EXCELLENT point about the electronics and if that happens with this car or cars in the future thanks to this car i will applaud toyota for it until then theyre still boring and useless to me IMO lol but that we will only know years down the road ... and the nsx where is it now? just saying lol im loving this thread i dont think ive replied to anything this much lol maybe its coz im thinking about a used 360 when my house gets done if my finances permit

alfy28

Winning in F1 is all about how much cash you spend on preparing the car each race. Yes Ferrari has won lots of races, and championships. But they only won, because how much money they spent . Winning a race is good, but being known as the company who has the most unreliable engine , to me is embarrassing.

Would you say this year, that Ferrari done well (winning and reliable wise)?
as for toyota being boring, its your opinion and i respect it. i am just explaining why this car cost more then a 458.
but yah its a good thread.

ZumnRx8

i thought rotaries were the most unreliable engine?

shaunv74

I'd say they have more points than Toyota in the constructors championship.

My point is that Toyota, the largest auto manufacturer in the world, with the most efficient manufacturing processes in the world. Should be able to produce a car that costs less than a comparable Ferrari with better quality. That's what they are about. To make this car so much more expensive than Ferrari's offering and still lose money on it smells like someone seriously messed up.

Ferrari has to be profitable on their 458. It's their bread and butter car. You can't tell me that a bunch of crazy Italian Race engineers and mechanics are more cost effective at producing a car than Toyota's Fabled "Toyota Production System."

alfy28

but like i said earlier, when you compare these 2 cars to each other, the technolgy in the toyota supasses the ferrari.

ferrari only uses technolgy for track purposes, which they get it from F1.

Toyota, honda, etc, uses F1 for technolgy for their future cars.

ferrari only builds car for their fan base, who is willing to buy them. toyota has to make sure the technolgy they use in their future car , works for millions of buyers vs the elite few.

when new technolgy comes out , it very expensive. but over the years, they they figure out how to cut production cost to build what ever.

like i said, i am not making up excuses for toyota. but when you compare both cars to each other, its pretty evident that toyota surpassed the 458 in a technolgy point of view.

shaunv74

I currently don't buy your argument. Toyota is only making 500 of these cars and there is no promise of future Prius' with V10's and carbon fiber tubs that I'm aware of. Please add some data to back up your conjecture on why the Toyota technology surpasses the Ferrari technology.

Just saying it doesn't make it so.

alfy28

what is there to buy? you can look at the cockpit your self, i dont think i need to hand feed you the pictures

and tell me, has ferrari ever made a car that parks its self? but while lexus was the first car to have this technolgy, not saying it has anything do with racing. but just shows me where toyota is going. they are making cars easier for consumers. where ferrari just pretty much uses the same old formula it has been for years. even though each car is a advancement over the older gen cars. its not mind blowing.

I would say, a japanese car company will be the first to make a car that transform into a wheelchair

also my only guess to the 500 is just for rarity. i think toyota will make a V8 so it can compete with vette and gtr price. just IMO

shaunv74

I'm not seeing 150K worth of technological superiority in that cockpit. And most of the information from the articles isn't telling me that Toyota has done anything better than Ferrari on the drivetrain or chassis. They have a less sophisticated transmission. A motor with lower hp/liter, a less sophisticated suspension system.

Again I'm not saying the car isn't a great car, just that I can't understand the price and expense relative to it's competition. I'm just not seeing 150K extra worth of stuff in the car.