PoorCollegeKid

My statement was badly worded, and I apologize for the mix up. When I said "That wasn't my point", I meant that the stereotypical demographic of SRT4 owners/drivers wouldn't factor into my decision, but I would instead compare its attributes to those of other cars in its class and make my decision based on that comparison and that alone. Personally, I think that people who won't buy a certain car because they don't like the stereotypical group that is associated with that car has their priorities mixed up.

The RX8 really does perform fairly well, despite its relative lack of straight line speed. It still pulls down the same lap times as 350Zs; it just goes about its duties a little differently than the Z does. You can't possibly tell me with a straight face that the RX8's performance capabilities didn't factor in your decision to buy one.

I think that it's rather short sighted to say that you would choose a car that isn't even out yet over other cars that are actually in production. It would be like someone saying, "Well, Star Wars III is better than Sideways and Constantine because I liked the first few," even though the new Star Wars hasn't even hit the theaters yet. Trying to compare cars (or anything else, for that matter) and letting your strong preconceived notions about them cloud your judgment isn't the best way to go about it.

Out of curiosity, have you ever driven an SRT4 or a Cobalt SS? The SS is supposed to be quite the fun little car to drive as is the SRT4, although both still suffer from the shortfalls of FWD. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them without first giving them a real, unbiased test drive.

Personally, I feel that if you're going to buy a little FWD subcompact, it should have at least some performance capabilities and be fun to drive to keep you from noticing its various design compromises. So, to answer your question, if I was looking at cars in that class and price range, I'd give the SRT4 a good, hard look. You see, I believe that the experience in the drivers' seat is more important than the view from the sidewalk. If the tC, Mazda3, or Civic were more fun to drive than the SRT4, then I would probably go for one of those cars rather than the SRT4. However, it would take a test drive or two of all of the cars (preferably back to back, to get the best comparison) before I could tell you that I would most definitly jump at car A over car B, or that I would never, ever buy car C.

Regardless of the choice I made, I would be proud to drive any car that I bought with my own money, no matter if it's a beat up 1980s Corolla, an RX8, or an SRT4. I really wouldn't care if the ricer down the street thought my GTO was bland and boring, or if the car snob across town thought my Evo was garish or that my Boxster was just a poor-man's 911. I drive cars for my own enjoyment, not to fit in (or not fit in) to a certain group as you do. As long as those cars make me happy I wouldn't care what anyone else thinks about the car I'm in or thinks about me based on my car. I think that if you spend too much time worrying what people think about the decisions you make that only affect yourself, you're going to miss out on a lot of great opportunities in life.

Mugatu

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With every post you write, you make yourself look more and more asinine. Perhaps you should start a new thread on "what Pontiacs you would consider owning", that way there are more threads for people to hand you your ***.

Reactionary

The logic I outlined is completely valid, although it may be difficult to follow, which you should have admitted in your humility that you don't have. Again, ask Hard8 to help you out.

Ike

Haha, I was just editing my post because I forgot to include that.

How bout now, feel stupid now Reactionary?

Reactionary

Make it simple for Ike. I have told you that I wouldn't buy the SRT-4 no matter what. Now answer the question: Would you buy the SRT-4 for yourself? Yes or no?

I would buy the current Civic over an SRT-4. It is not unreasonable to expect the new Civic to be supeior to the old one in just about every way.

Would you say you wouldn't date a 40-year-old woman with Downs Syndrome before you met her even though she got plastic surgery? Well that's what the SRT-4 is to me. Yahtzee.

PoorCollegeKid

As I said in my previous post, I buy things to please myself, not to keep others around me happy. I really don't care if most people think the SRT4 is ugly and that only a "high school pecker wood" would own it and be proud of it. If I like something, then I will buy it if I have the means and feel it's a good decision. Just because you don't feel secure enough to go out and buy a car with controversial styling and broad appeal doesn't mean that everyone's that way.

A "high school pecker wood" who's into cars probably thinks that the Corvette or RX8 or 350Z are all great cars. Does that mean that you would be embarrassed to be seen in one of those cars? Maybe you're secure enough to buy one of those cars, even though high schoolers like them. That's the same way I feel about any car; if I like it, I'll buy it and be happy no matter what other people say or think. Try to wrap your logical mind around that. :p

Edit: If I test drove the SRT4 and its competitors and found the SRT4 to be the best car of the bunch, I would buy it with no regrets. I haven't driven the SRT4 so I can't give you a fair and truthful definite answer.

Reactionary

Don't feel stupid at all. I would never own a Mustang period. I don't have those inner battles with myself and you guys know why. Mugatu, on the other hand, must deal with those demons. The word "asisine" is not funny in itself but it is pretty damn funny when someone of Mugatu's stature uses it.

rotary-convert

yawn...................................
i have a pool going that Ike and reactionary shut their faces and continue on with what this thread was originally meant for..

For me:
the new viper coupe is 100% better than the ragtop(which reminded me of a S2000)
the prowler
charger(99 concept version)
srt 4 while still a neon is really fun to drive
and lets not forget a hennesey modded viper 1996 coupe

Ike

Maybe it's just ignorance then, I've always wondered, is ignorance really bliss?

murix

You guys must be bored to keep entertaining reactionary.

Reactionary

You must ask yourself that question, Mr. Fallacious.

Reactionary

If you haven't driven the SRT-4 and you need to do that before you make up your mind, why did you post that the SRT-4 would be awfully hard to pass up?

So the SRT-4 right now is not on your list of Chryslers you would drive. Period. MOUSE TRAP.

Ike

Hahaha, you actually think this thread was intended for people to list the Chrysler cars they would consider owning?

What this thread was orginally meant for... hahahaha, that's a good one. This thread was meant to start a flame war.

Reactionary

The intent of this thread was to combine it with the other two threads on Ford and GM and make people think and say "Even though there has been a perception that GM is the lame duck of American carmakers, there seems to be some excitement and activity going on at GM." And when I thought about that myself, I was even surprised.

Ike

There is excitement abound in the car world, not just at GM. There are severals cars from several different manufacturers, including Ford and Chrysler that I'd consider owning, some I'd love to own. The route you took to make your point was not only silly and trollish, but it took up forum space for no good reason. You could have simply made one thread about how you felt and then there could have been a discussion, but nooooo, you needed attention and you wanted to see sparks fly.

Since you seem to struggle with knowing what year and type of car you're driving at any point in time I thought I'd inform you that the Mazda in your driveway exists because of Ford.

Reactionary

Well the cool thing about the way I conceptualized and presented the discussion was that each thread can work on its own as well as be connected. I wanted to see the independent lists people would come up with. I can only get lists somewhat free of bias if the people don't consciously think it is an outright comparison between the 3 American carmakers. My expectation was that the lists for the GM products would actually be bigger than the lists for the Chryslers or Fords. Ok, Mr. Fallacious and Self-Appointed Director of Homeland Security?

Reactionary

Didn't want to see sparks fly. Wasn't in my considerations, although it is clearly in yours and others' considerations. Clearly, your statements of "silly" and "trollish" are fallacious.

Reactionary

Now that the Pontiac GTO has been brought up, I think it is an appropriate time to say that I would take the 2005 Pontiac GTO over the new Mustang GT. The GTO is not a perfect car but it's a pretty cool car overall even when one doesn't compare it to any other cars. So my comparison is really a statement of how much I detest the new Mustang GT and all new Mustangs in fact. And I have no bias against the Mustang at all. And I'm not saying the Mustang won't sell. Of course it will sell. I wonder if Bill Ford will succeed or fail in his attempt to manipulate mass perception.

GotBass

This car was a chrysler in 2001 and 2002 after plymouth was shut down.

I have always loved the looks of the prowler. Even though the car is not practical, and the V-6 is less powerful the Mazda 3 engine.

Reactionary

(Duplicated from the Ford thread):

Now that the Pontiac GTO has been brought up, I think it is an appropriate time to say that I would take the 2005 Pontiac GTO over the new Mustang GT. The GTO is not a perfect car but it's a pretty cool car overall even when one doesn't compare it to any other cars. So my comparison is really a statement of how much I detest the new Mustang GT and all new Mustangs in fact. And I have no bias against the Mustang at all. And I'm not saying the Mustang won't sell. Of course it will sell. I wonder if Bill Ford will succeed or fail in his attempt to manipulate mass perception.

GotBass

Here are a few I would not want to own other than to say I own a ferrari.

Steiner

Fords I would consider owning

GM cars I would consider owning

Chryslers I would consider owning

Reactionary

Can you imagine this little tally wacker working feverishly on that "project"? Hilarious.

Speed-ER doc

Reactionary, I know who you are. You've been here before.

cgrx

Just saw one tonight...INSANE