Battle of the 8's: RX-8 vs. Evo VIII
12-11-2003, 12:19 AM
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stock for stock an evo is a faster car, but the rx8 looks way better. it depends on what your looking for. BUt you cannot sleep on the potentia of the renesis motor. theres a guy in australia who has worked on rotarys for a long time and has dynoed a rx8 with a turbo he added at 532 to the wheels in stock internals, imagine a perripheral port. with the money the rx-8 will demolish even a modded evo 8
12-11-2003, 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by racerdave
Unfortunately, yes! Pure stock... including the stock Bridgestone Craptenza's. It was rather wierd on those junk tires plus the boost kicking on and off... but I creamed the time I ran in a stock Miata all day (I fun-runned the WRX).
Hmm... I probably didn't word that post right.
The general point is that the better chassis and lighter car will be faster on an autocross course... which is why many top CS Miata's are so quick.
But give them some straights and the boosted cars will devour them.
Unfortunately, yes! Pure stock... including the stock Bridgestone Craptenza's. It was rather wierd on those junk tires plus the boost kicking on and off... but I creamed the time I ran in a stock Miata all day (I fun-runned the WRX).
Hmm... I probably didn't word that post right.
The general point is that the better chassis and lighter car will be faster on an autocross course... which is why many top CS Miata's are so quick.
But give them some straights and the boosted cars will devour them.
That's pretty much what I was saying, but I'm shocked you ran faster in the WRX than the Miata, is the Miata your usual car? (though the CS and DS times are usually very very close) The RWD and the oversteer certainly help the Miata makeup for it's lack of HP.
On a side note, I don't know why the hell Subaru chose those godawful tires for the car, it's not like they're cheap, luckily I made my dealer take em off before I would even drive off the lot so I could finance wheels and tires along with the car. I'm working for having a well sorted STX car next year, really all I need are mounts and a TBE/will proably just get a straightpipe back from the 3rd cat (my neighbors will love me:p), maybe some camber plates and a new set of tires. I have got the suspension and brakes taken care of though I could have done a little better with the brakes if I were a rich man.
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12-11-2003, 07:10 PM
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I don't know which of our illustrious moderators decided to completely delete the thread I started yesterday, "Battle of the 8's: RX-8 vs. Lincoln Mark VIII", but i'd sure like at least a PM as to why it was deleted. I think I made a valid point (and an attempt at humor in getting the point across) about the constant ridiculous comparisons between the RX-8 and some other vehicle that it was not designed to be marketed against.
As one of the first members of this forum, I'd appreciate just a little consideration from the moderators, especially the ones who haven't been around as long as I have.
As one of the first members of this forum, I'd appreciate just a little consideration from the moderators, especially the ones who haven't been around as long as I have.
12-11-2003, 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by BLACKWOLF
stock for stock an evo is a faster car, but the rx8 looks way better. it depends on what your looking for. BUt you cannot sleep on the potentia of the renesis motor. theres a guy in australia who has worked on rotarys for a long time and has dynoed a rx8 with a turbo he added at 532 to the wheels in stock internals, imagine a perripheral port. with the money the rx-8 will demolish even a modded evo 8
stock for stock an evo is a faster car, but the rx8 looks way better. it depends on what your looking for. BUt you cannot sleep on the potentia of the renesis motor. theres a guy in australia who has worked on rotarys for a long time and has dynoed a rx8 with a turbo he added at 532 to the wheels in stock internals, imagine a perripheral port. with the money the rx-8 will demolish even a modded evo 8
As it stand right now...the EVO plus a little under $4000 can run a 11.6 second 1/4 mile with 380 whp. the $4000 is what it costs for Buschur Racing's stage 4 upgrade. That is economical. that is 200 whp more than the RX8...I don't see the RX8 having anything similar. At a certain point horsepower becomes very expensive. With the EVO, Buschur Racing's stage 4 is about as far as we can take the stock turbo.
With the RX8 you have a reflash, exhaust, and intake which will net some good results but after that you're looking at much more expensive upgrades (super/turbo charger). Plus there's the added cost of needing to upgrade the drivetrain for the power. The whole thing becomes very expensive very quick. At a certain point it becomes rediculous.
But we'll have to wait and see.
12-11-2003, 08:14 PM
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Of course it's going to be expensive, there's no turbo or supercharger to begin with, so you have to do everything from scratch. It's cheaper to upgrade an already turbo'd car than to turbo an non-turbo'd car. Anyways, I don't think very many people here care about drag racing.
Edit: And I definitely understand your point, khoney, as that's exactly what I said a few pages ago. But hey, since most of the people posting are non-rx-8 owners anyways, maybe we can keep this thread as decoy.
Edit: And I definitely understand your point, khoney, as that's exactly what I said a few pages ago. But hey, since most of the people posting are non-rx-8 owners anyways, maybe we can keep this thread as decoy.
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12-11-2003, 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by khoney
I don't know which of our illustrious moderators decided to completely delete the thread I started yesterday, "Battle of the 8's: RX-8 vs. Lincoln Mark VIII", but i'd sure like at least a PM as to why it was deleted. I think I made a valid point (and an attempt at humor in getting the point across) about the constant ridiculous comparisons between the RX-8 and some other vehicle that it was not designed to be marketed against.
As one of the first members of this forum, I'd appreciate just a little consideration from the moderators, especially the ones who haven't been around as long as I have.
I don't know which of our illustrious moderators decided to completely delete the thread I started yesterday, "Battle of the 8's: RX-8 vs. Lincoln Mark VIII", but i'd sure like at least a PM as to why it was deleted. I think I made a valid point (and an attempt at humor in getting the point across) about the constant ridiculous comparisons between the RX-8 and some other vehicle that it was not designed to be marketed against.
As one of the first members of this forum, I'd appreciate just a little consideration from the moderators, especially the ones who haven't been around as long as I have.
I never saw your thread, but it sounds like it was a good one. And look who has seniority on this board? Hint, hint, March comes before July!
12-12-2003, 12:48 PM
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I'm a proud Evo 8 owner and I must say that I love my car more than anything else (stock is good but with mods it's better and with Ohlins 3-way dampers...it's unbeatable).
I almost bought a RX-8 (as soon as I sold my M5 & 400 rwhp FD) but a recent trip to Japan and talked to engineers from Mazda said that the motor is already at MAX! They economically built the motor and the FD motors are much stronger. They've spent thousands of dollars(yen) just to get an additional 15 hp but they rather step it down a notch for insurance purposes.
I drove the RX-8 there and I love the sensitivity and performance of the RX-8's brakes and neutral handling but the Evo 8's is not bad either. Plus I wanted to try a 4wd vehicle. I thought the steering of the M5 is quick but the evo is like driving a heavy go-kart. The brakes and handling are remarkable on the RX-8 but you have to keep the rev range up there to keep it on the sweet spot of the engine. Sure there will be further development on the engine so stay tuned.
I almost bought a RX-8 (as soon as I sold my M5 & 400 rwhp FD) but a recent trip to Japan and talked to engineers from Mazda said that the motor is already at MAX! They economically built the motor and the FD motors are much stronger. They've spent thousands of dollars(yen) just to get an additional 15 hp but they rather step it down a notch for insurance purposes.
I drove the RX-8 there and I love the sensitivity and performance of the RX-8's brakes and neutral handling but the Evo 8's is not bad either. Plus I wanted to try a 4wd vehicle. I thought the steering of the M5 is quick but the evo is like driving a heavy go-kart. The brakes and handling are remarkable on the RX-8 but you have to keep the rev range up there to keep it on the sweet spot of the engine. Sure there will be further development on the engine so stay tuned.
12-12-2003, 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by potsuVIII
I'm a proud Evo 8 owner and I must say that I love my car more than anything else (stock is good but with mods it's better and with Ohlins 3-way dampers...it's unbeatable).
I almost bought a RX-8 (as soon as I sold my M5 & 400 rwhp FD) but a recent trip to Japan and talked to engineers from Mazda said that the motor is already at MAX! They economically built the motor and the FD motors are much stronger. They've spent thousands of dollars(yen) just to get an additional 15 hp but they rather step it down a notch for insurance purposes.
I drove the RX-8 there and I love the sensitivity and performance of the RX-8's brakes and neutral handling but the Evo 8's is not bad either. Plus I wanted to try a 4wd vehicle. I thought the steering of the M5 is quick but the evo is like driving a heavy go-kart. The brakes and handling are remarkable on the RX-8 but you have to keep the rev range up there to keep it on the sweet spot of the engine. Sure there will be further development on the engine so stay tuned.
I'm a proud Evo 8 owner and I must say that I love my car more than anything else (stock is good but with mods it's better and with Ohlins 3-way dampers...it's unbeatable).
I almost bought a RX-8 (as soon as I sold my M5 & 400 rwhp FD) but a recent trip to Japan and talked to engineers from Mazda said that the motor is already at MAX! They economically built the motor and the FD motors are much stronger. They've spent thousands of dollars(yen) just to get an additional 15 hp but they rather step it down a notch for insurance purposes.
I drove the RX-8 there and I love the sensitivity and performance of the RX-8's brakes and neutral handling but the Evo 8's is not bad either. Plus I wanted to try a 4wd vehicle. I thought the steering of the M5 is quick but the evo is like driving a heavy go-kart. The brakes and handling are remarkable on the RX-8 but you have to keep the rev range up there to keep it on the sweet spot of the engine. Sure there will be further development on the engine so stay tuned.
Anyone else find this story as unbelievable as I do. And do I read that right, you're boosting 1.7 bar?
12-12-2003, 01:29 PM
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Yup! Technosquare has been there and done it! I'm boosting 1.5 for street and 1.7 for race w/103 VP unleaded. Thenosquare did their homework and I gave them an A+ for their effort on tuning.
RE: "this story" I just posted, believe it or not is up to you. I'm very content in my Evo 8 and no doubt it's better than any car that I've owned. No heat to FD/RX-8 owners and M5 owners. It's only my honest opinion.
RE: "this story" I just posted, believe it or not is up to you. I'm very content in my Evo 8 and no doubt it's better than any car that I've owned. No heat to FD/RX-8 owners and M5 owners. It's only my honest opinion.
12-12-2003, 04:40 PM
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Your story about the Renesis being at it's limit sounds pretty hokey, especially since there's already severla turbo kits being finalized, as well as simple stuff like Canzoomers ECU upgrade that show the engine can make more power with slightly different fuel maps. Let alone anything more extreme.
You cant feel bad about people not believing you. After all, 2 posts, have a different car, yet you where in Japan talking to the Mazda engineers? Sounds like some cattle are nearby.
You cant feel bad about people not believing you. After all, 2 posts, have a different car, yet you where in Japan talking to the Mazda engineers? Sounds like some cattle are nearby.
12-12-2003, 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by potsuVIII
Yup! Technosquare has been there and done it! I'm boosting 1.5 for street and 1.7 for race w/103 VP unleaded. Thenosquare did their homework and I gave them an A+ for their effort on tuning.
RE: "this story" I just posted, believe it or not is up to you. I'm very content in my Evo 8 and no doubt it's better than any car that I've owned. No heat to FD/RX-8 owners and M5 owners. It's only my honest opinion.
Yup! Technosquare has been there and done it! I'm boosting 1.5 for street and 1.7 for race w/103 VP unleaded. Thenosquare did their homework and I gave them an A+ for their effort on tuning.
RE: "this story" I just posted, believe it or not is up to you. I'm very content in my Evo 8 and no doubt it's better than any car that I've owned. No heat to FD/RX-8 owners and M5 owners. It's only my honest opinion.
12-12-2003, 09:08 PM
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Stock is 19, right? Sounds possible.
There's people running 18 on the puny stock WRX turbo. Not doing much with the hot air, but the gauge still reads 18 psi, hehehehehe...
There's people running 18 on the puny stock WRX turbo. Not doing much with the hot air, but the gauge still reads 18 psi, hehehehehe...
12-13-2003, 12:45 AM
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Sounds like some cattle are nearby.
12-13-2003, 12:57 AM
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So you're running 25 PSI on the stock turbo?
12-13-2003, 01:01 AM
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Stock is 19, right? Sounds possible.
12-13-2003, 01:04 AM
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Lol. If the guys who designed the engine and whom know it's innermost dark secrets claim it's maxed out, no smarty pants with a turbine is gonna change that.
But hey, your right. You dont have to explain anything to me or anyone else for that matter.
But hey, your right. You dont have to explain anything to me or anyone else for that matter.
Originally posted by potsuVIII
Sorry, I don't need to explain why they claimed the Renesis motor is at "MAX". That's what they told me and to many others. I'm just very fortunate I was invited to join the occassion. Sure, several already made a turbo kits and may succeed without any problems. Congrats to them and with today's technology, it's possible to say "it can be done".
Sorry, I don't need to explain why they claimed the Renesis motor is at "MAX". That's what they told me and to many others. I'm just very fortunate I was invited to join the occassion. Sure, several already made a turbo kits and may succeed without any problems. Congrats to them and with today's technology, it's possible to say "it can be done".
12-13-2003, 01:11 AM
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There's people running 18 on the puny stock WRX turbo. Not doing much with the hot air, but the gauge still reads 18 psi, hehehehehe...
Sorry for non-RX8 topic discussion.
12-16-2003, 12:14 AM
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Driving the 8 & Evo
My friend has a evo V11 and we swapped keys just for a late night drive. What an experiance with both these cars. I could not say more about his Evo and he could not say how great the ride was on the Rx-8. We took it on the highway from one exit to the other (bummer). We did not want to get caught by the law. I think that you have to make the best experiance with the car you personally own. You know that some one is always going to be faster or better because of thier efforts, so make the best with what you own and be happy that you have a great ride. Remember thier are still plenty of people otu there that can afford any ride. PS: Don"t loose your licence!
01-05-2004, 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by AbusiveWombat
The point of comparing the two is that for me they fell into the same catagory along with the 350z, STi, and G35. I didn't care about drivetrain, number of doors, leather, dvd navigation....I cared about which car was the most fun, along with a sticker of around $30k.
I'm not alone either...I know that revhappy was in the same boat as me.
The point of comparing the two is that for me they fell into the same catagory along with the 350z, STi, and G35. I didn't care about drivetrain, number of doors, leather, dvd navigation....I cared about which car was the most fun, along with a sticker of around $30k.
I'm not alone either...I know that revhappy was in the same boat as me.
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OK I just read this entire thread which I do not usually do. I am interested in purchasing the EVO cuz it just kicks major ***. I do have a RX-8 now, but the EVO is simply a tuner car thats fun to drive 24/7. Its a driver's driver car. Thats what I am, and I guess I will be trading my RX-8 or selling it for an EVO soon.
