stock for stock an evo is a faster car, but the rx8 looks way better. it depends on what your looking for. BUt you cannot sleep on the potentia of the renesis motor. theres a guy in australia who has worked on rotarys for a long time and has dynoed a rx8 with a turbo he added at 532 to the wheels in stock internals, imagine a perripheral port. with the money the rx-8 will demolish even a modded evo 8

 

That's pretty much what I was saying, but I'm shocked you ran faster in the WRX than the Miata, is the Miata your usual car? (though the CS and DS times are usually very very close) The RWD and the oversteer certainly help the Miata makeup for it's lack of HP.

On a side note, I don't know why the hell Subaru chose those godawful tires for the car, it's not like they're cheap, luckily I made my dealer take em off before I would even drive off the lot so I could finance wheels and tires along with the car. I'm working for having a well sorted STX car next year, really all I need are mounts and a TBE/will proably just get a straightpipe back from the 3rd cat (my neighbors will love me:p), maybe some camber plates and a new set of tires. I have got the suspension and brakes taken care of though I could have done a little better with the brakes if I were a rich man.

Ike

 

I don't know which of our illustrious moderators decided to completely delete the thread I started yesterday, "Battle of the 8's: RX-8 vs. Lincoln Mark VIII", but i'd sure like at least a PM as to why it was deleted. I think I made a valid point (and an attempt at humor in getting the point across) about the constant ridiculous comparisons between the RX-8 and some other vehicle that it was not designed to be marketed against.

As one of the first members of this forum, I'd appreciate just a little consideration from the moderators, especially the ones who haven't been around as long as I have.

 

While I don't doubt you can make big power out of the renesis, the question is will it be economical. There's one very big problem with the renesis and big power....high compression.

As it stand right now...the EVO plus a little under $4000 can run a 11.6 second 1/4 mile with 380 whp. the $4000 is what it costs for Buschur Racing's stage 4 upgrade. That is economical. that is 200 whp more than the RX8...I don't see the RX8 having anything similar. At a certain point horsepower becomes very expensive. With the EVO, Buschur Racing's stage 4 is about as far as we can take the stock turbo.

With the RX8 you have a reflash, exhaust, and intake which will net some good results but after that you're looking at much more expensive upgrades (super/turbo charger). Plus there's the added cost of needing to upgrade the drivetrain for the power. The whole thing becomes very expensive very quick. At a certain point it becomes rediculous.

But we'll have to wait and see.

 

Of course it's going to be expensive, there's no turbo or supercharger to begin with, so you have to do everything from scratch. It's cheaper to upgrade an already turbo'd car than to turbo an non-turbo'd car. Anyways, I don't think very many people here care about drag racing.

Edit: And I definitely understand your point, khoney, as that's exactly what I said a few pages ago. But hey, since most of the people posting are non-rx-8 owners anyways, maybe we can keep this thread as decoy.

 

Need... More... Smileys! I never saw your thread, but it sounds like it was a good one. And look who has seniority on this board? Hint, hint, March comes before July!

 

I'm a proud Evo 8 owner and I must say that I love my car more than anything else (stock is good but with mods it's better and with Ohlins 3-way dampers...it's unbeatable).

I almost bought a RX-8 (as soon as I sold my M5 & 400 rwhp FD) but a recent trip to Japan and talked to engineers from Mazda said that the motor is already at MAX! They economically built the motor and the FD motors are much stronger. They've spent thousands of dollars(yen) just to get an additional 15 hp but they rather step it down a notch for insurance purposes.

I drove the RX-8 there and I love the sensitivity and performance of the RX-8's brakes and neutral handling but the Evo 8's is not bad either. Plus I wanted to try a 4wd vehicle. I thought the steering of the M5 is quick but the evo is like driving a heavy go-kart. The brakes and handling are remarkable on the RX-8 but you have to keep the rev range up there to keep it on the sweet spot of the engine. Sure there will be further development on the engine so stay tuned.

 

Anyone else find this story as unbelievable as I do. And do I read that right, you're boosting 1.7 bar?

 

Yup! Technosquare has been there and done it! I'm boosting 1.5 for street and 1.7 for race w/103 VP unleaded. Thenosquare did their homework and I gave them an A+ for their effort on tuning.

RE: "this story" I just posted, believe it or not is up to you. I'm very content in my Evo 8 and no doubt it's better than any car that I've owned. No heat to FD/RX-8 owners and M5 owners. It's only my honest opinion.

 

Your story about the Renesis being at it's limit sounds pretty hokey, especially since there's already severla turbo kits being finalized, as well as simple stuff like Canzoomers ECU upgrade that show the engine can make more power with slightly different fuel maps. Let alone anything more extreme.

You cant feel bad about people not believing you. After all, 2 posts, have a different car, yet you where in Japan talking to the Mazda engineers? Sounds like some cattle are nearby.

 

So you're running 25 PSI on the stock turbo?

 

Stock is 19, right? Sounds possible.

There's people running 18 on the puny stock WRX turbo. Not doing much with the hot air, but the gauge still reads 18 psi, hehehehehe...

 

Sorry, I don't need to explain why they claimed the Renesis motor is at "MAX". That's what they told me and to many others. I'm just very fortunate I was invited to join the occassion. Sure, several already made a turbo kits and may succeed without any problems. Congrats to them and with today's technology, it's possible to say "it can be done".

 

Yes with 103 VP unleaded only! I always over-engineer the fuel for some insurance. Fuel is cheaper than a complete overhaul of the engine. I can boost to 25 psi once in a while with 91 octane but not all the time because we don't know what quality of fuel we get from the pump and 20 psi would do for everyday driving.

 

Yes! 19 psi is the stock boost set by the ecu. The stock turbos are maybe at max at 25 psi but as long as you don't push it very often then it's just fine.

 

Lol. If the guys who designed the engine and whom know it's innermost dark secrets claim it's maxed out, no smarty pants with a turbine is gonna change that.

But hey, your right. You dont have to explain anything to me or anyone else for that matter.

 

My brother has a WRX with Unichip and boosting up to 16 psi on 91 octane. The WRX's turbos are very small to begin with as well as the stock OEM IC. Soon, my brother will convert to FMIC and put an oil cooler where the stock OEM IC used to be.

Sorry for non-RX8 topic discussion.

 

My friend has a evo V11 and we swapped keys just for a late night drive. What an experiance with both these cars. I could not say more about his Evo and he could not say how great the ride was on the Rx-8. We took it on the highway from one exit to the other (bummer). We did not want to get caught by the law. I think that you have to make the best experiance with the car you personally own. You know that some one is always going to be faster or better because of thier efforts, so make the best with what you own and be happy that you have a great ride. Remember thier are still plenty of people otu there that can afford any ride. PS: Don"t loose your licence!

 

ebony and ivory live together in perfect harmony... at least in my garage.

-project

 

nice garage to have
great cars

 

Add me to your boat.

 

This boat is getting heavy!

 

OK I just read this entire thread which I do not usually do. I am interested in purchasing the EVO cuz it just kicks major ***. I do have a RX-8 now, but the EVO is simply a tuner car thats fun to drive 24/7. Its a driver's driver car. Thats what I am, and I guess I will be trading my RX-8 or selling it for an EVO soon.

 

Add efini to the boat 2;we should order a cruise.

 

Can I get a trip on the boat regardless of my car?? Can I, Can I?