bse50

At least he is right saying that it's easy to be a champion with such an amazing car.
Senna, Schumacher, Vettel, Kubica (just to remind of present and past drivers) did wonderful races and results with not-so-fast cars. That's why they attract and interest so much. Remember that Michael began with a benetton!
We will probably never know Hamilton's talent under that aspect since he always won and drove the best cars.

RX26b

Yeah, one more win, but statiscally 6 to 5 is 20% more. Same thing as comparing 12 to 10, or 18 to 15.

I don't buy into any of the Glock conspiracy crap either. I believe he, and Alonso and Vettel drove their ***** off.

alfy28

i find it so funny that you guys dog hamilton for being in the Mclaren. but forget that he dominated GP2. is it his fault that Mcalren wants the best up coming star?

RX26b

Actually, MS started with Jordan technically. :wink:

bse50

Hamilton is McLaren's best choice but this doesn't mean that he his the best. Better said, for this year he is but a good driver with the best car out there is not the best combination. The best driver with a good car will handle bad situations in a better way. Non smart accident like the one that happened in the pit lane make my point clear, a driver needs to stay on focus. if he'll learn that... well pain in the back for us italians
But won 2 championships driving a benetton!

BlueEyes

Haha, this is hilarious.

Let me see if I have it right:

1. Hamilton worked his *** off, sacrificed, trained etc before F1 and proved his abilities by winning races and championships.
2. An F1 team takes notice and signs him to a deal.
3. Said F1 team happens to be a contender.
4. Therefore, Hamilton is crap and nothing like all the other legends of F1.

Makes perfect sense. I'll agree with one point, he's not like the other F1 legends, because he's only raced for 2 YEARS!!!

Haters?

alfy28

I stop reading right there. Massa sucks at driving in t he rain, and no its not a opinion, its fact lol (jking).

also i never said he is the best, but to see a driver almost win the championship in his 1st year , loosing by one point. something must say something about hamilton.


from reading you ferraris fans and hamilton haters. seems like you guys need some haterade.

RX26b

No, you're clearly biased. You make it sound like Lewis was signed right after Montoya left, when in fact, Ron Dennis took him under his wing when this kid was in his early teens.

The thing with climbing into the best (or 2nd best car) to kick off your career with....you'll never know the full potential of said driver, because as was pointed out before, he's never been in the position of winning a race he had no business winning. It's a brilliant quote and I'm not sure who to attribute it to.

alfy28

so him speaking the truth about hamiltno =biased?
hamilton ownd formula ford
Hamlton owned Forumla 3000
Hamilton owned GP2
now hamilton is owning Forumla one.

how is blueyes being biased? he states taht hamilton worked his *** off. from all the open cart series he ever raced in, hamilton owned them all. so yah blue eyes is just speaking the truth.

bse50

You didn't get it.
1. Hamilton proved to be a great driver in minor championships
2. An f1 team grew him for years
3. That f1 team gave him the best car, the best team itself and he wins.

That's very different from:
1. the average joe wins a couple of minor championships
2. a non leading f1 team signs him
3. woooot!

I'm just saying that he's been lucky starting with the best team out there, not that he sucks. We need to wait and see how he will grow being still immature now (lacks experience).

Ferrari always had reliability issues and a dose of bad luck, the team itself is so fond of itself that makes it a pain to work there. I say so because i personally know how they work and stress the workers.

Massa doesn't suck, he's a very good driver that suffers from being impulsive. Impulsiveness make you do bad mistakes.
Anyway in the end i'm happy that Ferrari didn't win both titles, they need to start developing some new stuff and bring the name back everywhere, not just f1. I personally think that this championship was helped by luck, and hope that next year we'll see two full teams and 3 other drivers fighting for the title.

alfy28

well lets see, 1st year hamilton vs F1 the more experienced Drivers such as massa, Kimi and alonso.

now i want to know how did hamilton lost the championship by 1 point. if he is against the more experience drivers that are in equal car as him. they should of been like at least high up on the on the point boards way ahead of hamilton, since yo gusy feel those are the better drivers. . Imean these are drivers taht have been driving in F1 series way before hamilton.

so either A those guys sucked during the Hamilton 1st year in racing, or B. hamilton is a really awesome driver, but you guys cant except that a rookie out raced most of best drivers in the series (talking about fefrrari and alosno on mclaren team).

Heki is proof, taht being in a really good car doesnt equal AUTO WIN. lol look at the point standings

shaunv74

I think he was talking about Massa in Belgium. So if we take away the interference from the stewards after that race where they took the win from Hamilton and gave it to Massa then who's getting favoritism.

bse50

I probably explained myself in a very bad way.
Hamilton is a great driver, i hate is behavior but i can't say a word on how he drives. Add the best car out there to the equation and you get the result.
Massa did a wonderful job this year doing its best to win even if the car was unreliable for bad pushrod stocks etc.
This is way i say that hamilton drives the best car. If we put a mclaren near a ferrari the performance factor stands on the red side, but you need to focus on race pace\durability more than pure performance.

The good thing now is that there are several factors that'll make the next year worth watching:
Will Massa keep the same level?
Will Hamilton grow up as a leader or just be the bold youngster (which i'm sure he's not, but pressure plays a role)
Will Raikkonen understand where the accelerator is?
Will Vettel and Alonso want to demonstrate something to go to (and back to) the top aiming to a better team?
Kubica?

I mean... it's not the schumacher era, i hope it to be a big mess!

alfy28

yah i most likely read your previous post wrong also.

but the bolded part is so true lol.

shaunv74

I have to agree. Massa wins most improved this year followed by Vettel as a close second.

I loved the fact that it came down to the last corner of the last race to determine the champion and if BMW hadn't thrown in the towel on this year's car who knows what Kubica could have done.

It's definitely set to be a hell of a season next year.

My only disappointment was Kovelinan (SP) didn't really live up to his billing and should have placed better than he did with the top tier chassis he had.

RX26b

Lots of F1 drivers came from backgrounds and series where they were the star; LH is certainly not alone in that dept. This is grand prix afterall, not some low budget local dirt track show.

Is Hamilton the only driver who worked his *** off? I'll take a guess and say that all the drivers follow a strict diet and exercise regimen. They probably all have their own personal trainer and probably have to meet whatever weight/BMI the team sets for them. This isn't 1975 where it's a backstage party at a rock concert (well, maybe for Raikkonen it is...sometimes)

RX26b

You didn't know that teams have a #1 and a #2? Last year Alonso felt the team was completely in favor of Hamilton. As did Alain Prost back when he teamed with Senna on the very same team. Yet, despite the team being behind Lewis, FA was right there with him all year. I'm not taking anything away from Hamilton, don't get me wrong; just that, like I said before, you can't be considered up there in the Fangio, Clark, Senna, Schumacher category until you've won with inferior equipment and truly shined in a class better than the rest.

Wouldn't you agree that if LH was in a Toyota this year and ended up with the same # of points at the end of the season as he had with McLaren that he might be a candidate for the above mentioned group? You know, if Felipe had won the title yesterday I still wouldn't consider him "great". Damon Hill won a title in mid 90s, so what. **** happens, luck happens.

PerSmitt

This is a silly discussion, but I will bite. If we take away the silliness of the race stewards at Spa it would be 1 less victory for Massa and one more for Hamilton. And suddenly it is Hamilton who is in the 1 victory lead.

But yes, we have to abide with the stewards decision and everything no matter how wrong they are. I'm just trying to prove that 1 race win more means nothing. The one with most points deserved the victory, simply based on the fact that he had the most points.

I look forward to see a renewed fight from Ferrari next year, and hopefully Kimi will be back in shape and kick ***.

bse50

We need to remember the reliability problems that Ferrari had during the season, that is the most important factor in lewis' victory in the end.
I hope to see either see Kimi doing well or going WRC

PerSmitt

Granted. Massa's engine failure 3 laps from the flag comes directly to mind. Or driving through the pitlane with a 8 meter fueling hose trailing the car.

If either of those incidents had not happened Massa would have won.

However, we have had punctured tires on Hamilton as well as a spin induced by Massa which sent Hamilton to last place in the race. It is kind of hard to get any points after such a push. Therefore we have lost points to accidents on both sides of the fence.

bse50

I agree with you but while Hamilton only had "race" accidents the problems of ferrari cars were not related to Massa but to the two cars in general.
We can't blame reliability though, that's part of racing!

alfy28

To answer your first question. y es i know they have 1 and 2 drivers. what i was saying is, even the 1st year driver almost stole the championship from the well expericed drivers such as Fernado, Massa, and Kimi. Kimi should of won the championship with more points then just 1. espeically to a driver that is arookie.

as they say experience is suppose to >>>>>> a rookie. Hamilton first year should of been where Heki is this year on the points.


also i cant play what if he was with Toyota. because we havnet seen him build up car outside of mclaren. but its obvious that Mclaren felt that hamilton has was it takes to a champion.

also with the Fernado using the excuse that Mcllaren was giving more attention is bs. just like fernado blocking hamilton in the pits so he couldnt get a flying lap in. Fernado couldnt stand that a rookie driver was out racing him left and right.

also doesnt the drivers built up their own cars any way. so his excuse is a garbage to me. alonso could of easily just stay focus in winning, then some conspiracy that mclaren was against him. and if they did , he did it to him self when he started to be shady with hamilton. instead of whining about it, show us what your made of. instead he just showed us his ***.

Mazmart

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I love this thread.

Paul.

morkusyambo

So when does the next season start?!?

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