BlueRenesis82

You are assuming that next year the KERS will all be equal, which I am sure they will not.

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So we have Hammy on pole for tomorrow's race and looking quite quick. It should be exciting from the start. I'm sure Massa will push quite hard as will Kovalainen. Fuel loads and strategies should be interesting as well.

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BlueRenesis82

Agreed as well, but I enjoyed watching the Nelson Piquet interview where he called the cars not powerful. That was good for a chuckle.

T.T.

This is true. But wont both teams have the same one developed by Red Bull Technologies? It's known now that the Ferrari engine has been continually developed in the interests of "reliability" () while the Renault engine has basically been frozen. I didn't see the Nelson Piquet interview, but this is probably what he's referring too.

alfy28

SPA-2nd to last lap was the most exciting lap ever this year loll. any how grats to my fav.
starting to feel bad fro a certain driver. i know in the past i do take shots at his fans on this board. but any how, enjoy the race.

alnielsen

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Other than the last couple of laps the race, my interest was easily distracted.

2 months ago, we were talking about how Massa was finished with Ferrari. I think we can now say that about Kimi. He will last one more year and be gone.

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What a race. Great stuff!

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T.T.

Kimi's title shot is probably gone, but I wouldn't write off his career. Remember the rule changes? It's too early to predict things like that. He could have a resurgence and start using the witchcraft he used at McLaren to start winning races.

alfy28

i wonder what ever happen to that poster who made the thread bashing Hamilton. i wonder what he thinks about kimi situation right now.

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I'm now hearing that Hamilton's victory has been stripped and been demoted to a 3rd place position due to his avoiding a corner and gaining position over Kimi, even though he purposely gave it back up in order to re-challenge. The politics are incredible in this game but it's still extremely fun to watch.

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alfy28

wow really? sounds like Ferrari is back to crying again. i guess they prefered both cars to crash into each other and not finished the race at all. even though hamilton gave back postion due to the cut. wow the policits keep on giving. its not hamilton fault that kim decided to crash

thanks seal for the read. would suck if they did.

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Here's a decent vid of the final drama of the race. Enjoy while it's still available:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by5mhWfPRD8

You can see where Lewis tries to forcefully gain the position through a corner but is forcefully pushed off the track, as he re-enters ahead, he allows Kimi by (In order to be within rules) and immediately re-passes. They battle back and forth with traction becoming more and more difficult with the pending rain and wet track with dry tires. Lots of action.

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RWatters

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I'm not a big Hamilton fan but even I think that penalty was bullshit. Either way his pass on Kimi was spectacular. To think he did that in damp conditions with slicks on the car!

I'm sure he'll still take the championship so it's no big deal.

alnielsen

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British press are now saying that the ruling may not be appealable.
There are several sources. Here is one: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...08154353.shtml

alfy28

Lmao, even Ralf schumacher (brother of michael Schumacer) think its BS on FIA part. To me Ferrari is the porsche of Grand Am, always crying .

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...08173841.shtml

Ralf Schumacher, a winner of six Grand Prix who left Formula One at the end of last year, has sided with those who believe FIA officials were wrong to strip Lewis Hamilton of his Belgian Grand Prix victory.

The German, whose elder brother Michael won five World Championships with Ferrari, believes the Spa-Francorchamps episode is yet another piece of evidence that the Italian team is favoured by Formula One's ruling body.

"Lewis deserved to win but it was taken away," Schumacher, who now races in the German touring car series DTM, wrote in the German newspaper Bild. "To me, it was fair overtaking," he added.

Ralf, 33, said the 2008 championship fight has entered a "crucial phase."

"In my experience, Ferrari has always had priority in Formula One, which we have seen in many situations," he insisted
In the German-speaking world, Schumacher is certainly not a lone voice, with the former triple World Champion Niki Lauda on Monday dramatically denouncing the stewards' decision as the worst "in the history of F1."

Ferrari's team boss Stefano Domenicali commented only reluctantly, telling reporters that he thought Hamilton's tactics in passing Kimi Raikkonen were "a little bit extreme."
The notorious Italian press was more forthright.

Summarising the race, the sports daily Corriere dello Sport said: "Hamilton wins but then loses, because he cannot resist the temptation to try to be smarter than the others."


Stefano comment made me laugh. So pretty much, if its not ferrari then no one should over take the way Hamilton did, even though Hamilton did it clean

RWatters

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This just in. The FIA changes their name to FIAt.

alfy28

LOl that is pretty funny. any how, i guess i wont comment on this subject till they finally make a decision on what FIAT will do. might as well call the series Ferrari Won while they are at it.

i like ferrari cars, but as for motorsport team, i do not care for them. also dont care for them in Lemans either, espeically after the 24hur back in 2oo7 or was it 2006. When they kept on bumping the Porcshe team on the straight away to take the win.

moRotorMotor

Wow! That was the most retarded ruling! Lewis gave Kimi the lead back after he cut the corner to avoid collision. It's times like this that I really hate the politics of the FIA governing body, the stewarts have the most unconsistant rulings!

bse50

Yes but you should give a full, more delimited, chance to regain the lost position, not just let him pass a meter or two.

Anyway i think that this rule was applied because of the other accident Hamilton caused to Raikkonen (Box hit), so to avoid any chance of saying that he can do what he likes without being punished.

The problem is that Kimi now needs to recover his mental attitude because is not going having pic nics on the grass that you earn points

+1 for Massa since he is a very constant driver now, i also like his attitude. My favourite, considering i'm italian, is robert kubica because of the way he affords italian interviews =)

alfy28

HMm Hamilton retaken 1st place fair. its kimi fault thinking he could block off hamilton by steering the left, and hamilton counter that by steering to the right. by kimi doing that, i think kimi felt he had enough time to regain postion since he is feding off hamilton.

then hamitlon runs off the road and KIMI takes 1st place again. now who fault was it that kimi couldnt hold 1st place because he spins out. then retaking 2nd place again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfLs2-w1NlY

T.T.

This is a hard decision to make. Yes, Lewis gave Kimi back the position...but not really. He kind of lifted and passed through his slipstream and took the inside line. This being said, Kimi should have taken a more defensive line. He probably underestimated Lewis' ability in the rain. I don't know the exact wording of the rule, but their position numbers definitely changed during this maneuver. Even if Kimi didn't crash out, I still think Hamilton would have won with pure speed in the rain (unless he made a mistake).

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Here's another wicked video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrUi0x3kdJ8

Enjoy it while it lasts. On board with Hamilton/Raikenen.

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alfy28

awesome find seal

moRotorMotor

I must say, that is a really good find! Too bad it will be taken down before I finish typing this lol. Anyway, it gives a much better view from both driver's point of view and I have to disagree even further now that I have seen this footage. Lewis didn't get a tow off of Kimi when they crossed the finish line. I'd like to see the rule book concerning cutting a chicane word for word.

moRotorMotor

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008....lewishamilton This pretty much sums up what I thought when I read about the penalty. I thought I was crazy to have even compared it to the Gilles Villeneuve vs. René Arnoux battle, decades back, but someone else thought the same. I've been following F1 for a decade now and the last race was perhaps the most exciting piece of motor racing I have seen. This dumb penalty really leaves me with a sour taste in my mouth. Why race at all when you can't duke it out like in the old days? What is the fun in ho-hum, 'oh you have a faster car? Let me give you enough room to pass me' attitude? Lame!