Daverx

Yup i agree...& also is the fan not the engine, trying to diffuse the heat

Daverx

I was told by my PI that they are aware & not all 8s are affected...for those affected, they will send out the recall notice....

In the meantime...can go thru the list whether our 8 is affected...

:p :p :p

lohsk

I know my is... sigh.

darkelfin

Yeap, mine's affected too. Anyway, if any of you guys hear from your PIs let us know ya. You know how not every PI is as "on" as the rest and some won't even bother to inform us since they closed the deal already. Thanks guys.

Neon

RX? About the recall of 8 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2005 July 21st, the Matsuda corporation notified the below-mentioned recall to the national traffic ministry. It does to put annoyance to on everyone of regular use, very much, from heart apologizes. Because, from the store, making guide with the direct mail, it receives in the customer who becomes the object, communication it receives to the Matsuda car store of the vicinity, repair (no charge) to receive that it receives, it asks. When there is a recall notification number 1489 recall target date 2005 July 22nd standard nonconformance state, because the structure which is recognized, circumstance and its cause of the device or efficiency (1) the program of the computer for engine control is inadequate, when the engine does not go down from high revolution, makes the vehicle stop, does not cut the engine, there are times when it is maintained that way with high revolution. Because of that, temperature of body floor face lower part rising abnormally, when the resin make fuel tank, electric wiring and coating etc. of the hand brake cable lose the 溶, it is worst, to the fuel leak and there is a possibility of reaching operation defectiveness and the like of the engine failure and hand brake. It can attach the lower arm which is produced (2) in the nosewheel shock absorber, by inadequate forging process fold, there are some where crack occurs in the ball joint socket section of the particular lower arm. Because of that, when at the time and the like of cornering travelling with the circuit, the inside is stranded, does the difference in level urgent steering and urgent braking, the ball stud comes off from the ball joint socket section, is a possibility of becoming travelling impossible. Contents of improvement measure (1) inspecting all vehicle and the resin make fuel tank etc., as for those where it can recognize abnormality as you exchange with the new item, as for the vehicle where the thermal damage prevention pad is not installed you install the particular pad. In addition, the program of the computer for engine control is rewritten or the particular computer is exchanged with the measure item. (2) production lot number of all vehicle and the lower arm is inspected, those which correspond replace the particular lower arm with the non-defective item. Range of under carriage number of car name type alias name object car and quantity remark Matsuda LA-SE3P of production period object car RX-8 SE3P-100063? SE3P-100202 2003 February 14th? 2003 March 18th 140 (1) SE3P-100203 2003 March 19th 1 (1) (2) SE3P-100204? SE3P-100206 2003 March 18th? 2003 March 18th 3 (1) SE3P-100207? SE3P-116064 2003 March 19th? 2003 December 27th 15,359 (1) (2) SE3P-116065? SE3P-123832 2004 January 6th? 2004 August 28th 7,767 (1) ABA-SE3P SE3P-123833? SE3P-132228 2004 September 2nd? 2005 June 30th 8,161 (1) (remark) among the book notifications as for (2), 2004 February 26th it is something which "it notifies and adds the object car to the recall notification of number 1042" anew. Because (1) also the vehicle which does not become the object is included in the range of the under carriage number where the object car is included, please inquire details at the store of the vicinity. (2) production period of the object car differs from the time of purchase. Ahead inquiring: Matsuda coal center free dial 0120-386-919 Office Hours: Weekday 9:00? 17:00 earth day holiday 9:00? 12:00 13:00? 17:00 The store of the vicinity in case of searching please click this. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- .


Heres the transalation from Babel....enjoy or cry or wadever...

MaxRX8SG

Thx for the transalation!..........Yeap, mine's affected too.

Daverx

me too!

SingRX8

guys, juz checked with my dealer and he assured me not to worry. He explaination as follows; - 'If there'a factory recall and any of our vehicles are involved, LTA will send us a letter citing the recall. Also the exporter over in Japan will send te affected parts to our PIs so that cars involved can get it changed'.
Dunno how much truth are there to it, but tis being my 1st PI car, wat can I do except to juz wait!

lohsk

I don't think MM cars are effected this time... just the PIs.

Sigh. I doubt LTA will do any sending.

Vanquish

Den how ah??? Would Mazda Japan be able to force MM to do the change for us? :P

lohsk

Nope... heard MM got a policy not to entertain any PI cars. Some sort of punishment for getting cheaper cars. I recently saw a circular reguarding PI pioneer head units where local installers will charge the customer 3 times the repair cost is they receive any faulty PI unit.

Neon

Cheaper Cars? Our ride is anytime more EX than MM's. MM's cheapskate - luk at the OMV they have....PHUI!


Hehe, no offence Eugene

sandman369

on this subject of OMV can someone explain how PI's auto 8 can set their OMV higher than a MM manual 8? as an eg:

PI 8: $111k -> OMV: $38k
MM 8: $131k -> OMV $36k

(rough calculation on the taxes and other fees indicate almost zero profits for PI based on the above selling price and OMV)

Vanquish

But I do know that Borneo Motors is forced by Toyota Japan to service PI cars... but they have a very strict regime on how they go about it, like only 2 days from PI per day and no waiting/booking list.... Dat's wat I heard...

Genesis

MM cars effected! Got the call today, need thermal treatment around my heat shield. So I asked for specifics. Response was inspection required and based on that, will determine treatment.

lohsk

Yes for heat, but not for that crack joint. I think the possibility of a crack joint is more worrying.

watoke

Is the console (the centre part of our RX8, where the axel goes all the way back to the rear, that's why our ride are rear drive)
Heard they are fixing some "heat sinking" things over it to avoid heats getting into the car. Shouldn't be a big prob and yes, MM cars are affected except the newers ones.
Will be getting my ride to MM this thursday morn to get it done. :p

EBS

My colleague got his recall done at MM. Seems like a simple job. I am also waiting for my recall from MM.

As to 'forcing' MM to service PI, it is not possible becos

1. All PI JDM cars are supposed to be sold in Japan only. Mazda Japan will definitely service their own cars in Japan. However, PI cars are bot domestically in Japan and de-registered within 3 days, thereby 'voiding' any support warranty locally as they are shipped outside the country.

2. However, the original purchase record in Japan may entitle the buyer (car agent) there to claim the recall parts. They can then ship these parts to your trusty local PI so they can finish the recall job.

3. Good luck if your PI folded or act blur. As a consumer, if ur PI is around and they act blur, u can write a formal letter of complaint to LTA on their inability to service recall. PI's license can be revoked if they prove that they were unable to meet LTA's criteria (servicing recall is one of them). This takes time though.

4. Its actually tricky finding a good PI. Not all are black sheep and neither are all of them saints. Caveat Emptor.

Vanquish

Meaning i gotta call my PI?! Or wait for them to call??

anyway to clarify and confirm point 3??? dun wan to call them den end up like idiot... :P

EBS

The PI will always act blur when u ask them abt recall. Most will ask u to wait for their letters, if any. So those that received their recall letters must post and inform the other bros so they can start pressurising their PI.
My colleague's euro R had a recall late last year. Guess which PI gets top mark for CL7 R recall?? Garage R. They finished 9 euro R recall within 1 week and submitted the forms to LTA. My colleagues' car from VI*C*R (big PI) got nothing, no letter. they just ask him to wait (******* attitude). Lucky the recall is not serious and he did it outside as he couldnt be bothered to deal with his PI anymore.
So if u damn pissed when others finished the recall and u still waiting, u can complaint to LTA or if u know what is being done, go to other workshop and get it done. Faster and quicker rather than wait for irresponsible PI to work!!

Vanquish

but such recalls, who pays the bill?? 1st time i kanna such things... so abit suaku! :P

sandman369

see section 23A of the road traffic act:

Duty of manufacturers and dealers to notify Registrar and owners of safety-related defects in vehicles
23A. —(1) Any person being a manufacturer or dealer of vehicles shall, on becoming aware of any safety-related defect in any vehicle manufactured or sold by him, cause a notice of the defect to be given to —

(a) the Registrar;

(b) each person who has obtained such a vehicle from the manufacturer or dealer; and

(c) each current owner of such a vehicle as determined from —

(i) any warranty issued by the manufacturer or dealer with respect to the functioning of the vehicle that has, to the knowledge of the manufacturer or dealer, been given, sold or transferred to the current owner; or

(ii) the vehicle registration records as kept by the Registrar.
[1/2003]

(2) Where the Registrar is satisfied that the name of the current owner of a vehicle cannot reasonably be determined by a manufacturer or dealer in accordance with subsection (1) (c), the Registrar may —

(a) order the manufacturer or dealer to give notice of the defect by publication in all daily newspapers in Singapore or by dissemination in such alternative medium for such period as the Registrar may determine; or

(b) order that the current owner need not be notified.
[1/2003]

(3) A notice required to be given under subsection (1) or (2) shall be in such form as the Registrar may require and shall —

(a) contain a description of the defect, an evaluation of the safety risk arising from it and the directions for rectifying it; and

(b) state the time and place at which the person to whom the notice is given may present his vehicle in order that the defect may be rectified by the manufacturer or dealer or his agent.
[1/2003]

(4) Any manufacturer or dealer of vehicles who causes any notice to be given under subsection (1) or (2) in connection with any safety-related defect in any vehicle manufactured or sold by him shall —

(a) within a period of one month from the date on which such notice is given; and

(b) thereafter, within such subsequent period as the Registrar may require,

submit to the Registrar in such form as the Registrar may require a report containing such information relating to the safety-related defect and its rectification as the Registrar may require.
[1/2003]

(5) Any person who, being a manufacturer or dealer of vehicles —

(a) fails to comply with the requirements of subsection (1), (3) or (4) or any order given by the Registrar under subsection (2) (a); or

(b) fails to rectify or secure the rectification by his agent of any safety-related defect in any vehicle that is presented for rectification pursuant to a notice given by the manufacturer or dealer under this section,

shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction —

(i) to a fine not exceeding $2,000 for each vehicle in respect of which the offence is committed, subject to a maximum fine of $50,000; and

(ii) in the case of a continuing offence, to a further fine not exceeding $500 for every day or part thereof during which the offence continues after conviction.
[1/2003]

(6) Notwithstanding the provisions of any written law to the contrary, a District Court or Magistrate"s Court shall have the jurisdiction to try any offence under subsection (5) and to impose the maximum penalty prescribed therefor under that subsection.
[1/2003]

(7) Any person who, being the owner of a vehicle in respect of which a notice has been given by a manufacturer or dealer under this section, fails to produce the vehicle for rectification within such period as may be specified in the notice or such other period as the Registrar may allow shall be guilty of an offence.
[1/2003]

(8) The Authority, with the approval of the Minister, may make rules for the purposes of carrying this section into effect.
[1/2003]

(9) In this section —

"dealer" means a person who is engaged in the business of importing or selling vehicles;

"safety-related defect" , in relation to a vehicle, means a feature of the design or construction of the vehicle that is liable to cause significant risk of personal injury or death to any person using the vehicle or any other road user, and includes any defect relating to a component of the vehicle that is bought by the manufacturer of the vehicle from a supplier and sold by the manufacturer of the vehicle together with the vehicle as original equipment.

sandman369

apart from affecting future license, it is also a criminal offence. ignoring the factory recall and/or failing to rectify/contact owner is a criminal offence. see above post on s23A of RTA.

coupe07

bro, ur a lawyer?

sandman369

hahaha no la, but slightly familiar with singapore's law due to nature of work.