Boeuf

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Thank you!!!

Boeuf

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How am I a troll? Dude. If you can't handle other people providing their opinions then you probably shouldn't be posting on a forum.

blazenblue63

I am not ignoring your point. I am simply saying if you drive an RX-8 in a normal manner you'll most likely never into a situation where his AS gives out and where the "better" tire would have held.

EightCostsMoney

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Beof is obviously not getting my point. I am telling you right now that the tires I got are not trash, not, crap, and are a good fit for my application. Yes, I might have gotten something better. But form my own personal experience right now the tires are fantastic. I used to autocross so I know the limits of my car and how it handles. Believe me, the links I posted or not!

alnielsen

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Exactly, and I believe the OP is in an area that gets colder weather, yet very little snow. Just a hunch. He may not want to bear the expense and storage problems of having an extra set of tires and wheels.

JCrane82

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You can probably make that statement when discussion cornering power of the tires.....but to make a blanket statement saying the OP will never "need" more grip is just wrong.

For example......braking in the wet. Imagine a 60 degree F day that is raining. A summer (aka three-season) tire will have a better compound to provide more grip. This more grip is not just for cornering, and straight line braking is something that even the mildest of drivers will need in emergency situations when someone cuts you off and runs an intersection.

I actually could be way out of line here since the OP never said if this tire set will see near freezing temps, but since he/she hasn't chimed in to say they are, then I imagine they aren't. Care to shed more light on this particular application OP?

EightCostsMoney

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I am not denying that a summer tire is not a better corning tire. I travel and I see all kinds of weather conditions below freezing and above. I needed an all season tire.

blazenblue63

I think you're exaggerating just a tad lol! With that rationale we should all be driving on slicks in the dry and putting on intermediates in a drizzle and wet tires in full rain if we're talking "most" grip JUST in case we need to stop a feet or two earlier like between AS and summer tires lol!

Boeuf

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Now you're exaggerating. What JCrane said is true.

Boeuf

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I do get your point. I also read your links which were useless since the tire is not tested as a performance tire. I've already stated that economy all season tires are fine on economy cars but not idealy suited for sports cars. To say you need all season tires for wet traction is a false statement. There are many summer tires that perform well in the rain.

I copied a blurb from the test page you linked.

"Primacy MXM4 displayed a taut, stable feel when driving straight ahead, especially at highway speeds, but responded a little more slowly to initial steering inputs."

The steering feel is one of the best parts of our car. Why ruin it?

blazenblue63

Really? How often do you have to brake so hard in regular traffic that you're on the threshold of the tire's grip? If the answer is more than once a year you need to learn how to drive.

Boeuf

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That's fantastic, why not buy summer tires and then switch to winter tires when the season changes? That makes the most sense.

Boeuf

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All it takes is once.

If I have to emergency brake because someone cuts me off or an animal runs in the road more than once a year that has nothing to do with how I drive.

Based on that statement why wear a seatbelt? How many times a year do you really need it? Why drive with auto insurance? You may never get into an accident.

What a stupid statement.

EightCostsMoney

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And I am telling you that my new tires corner like a cat on a carpet, especially in the rain. I have not Autocrossed in them or anything yet but in hard turns the car response very well. I have complete control of my car again. Isn't that a good thing and how does this ruin the car? I was thinking of selling her but the way she handles now. I am keeping here for a couple more years.

Boeuf

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I'm happy for you then. I'm not convinced but I'm happy you are happy.

blazenblue63

You're an idiot. We're talking about the difference of the grip limit. Not a tire vs bare rim like your belt or no belt analogy suggests. Try to keep up. The only time there's a difference is when one tire's grip runs out and the other has some left. That difference is so small in every day life that you'll MOST LIKELY never see it.

Boeuf

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No, obviously you're the idiot and don't understand much. I was only pointing out that your statement about needing driving lessons if you have to emergency stop more than once a year is ridiculous. And in an emergency braking situation the more grip the better, wether its wet or dry.
My belt vs no belt analogy was just there to point out how stupid your statement was about how often one may need to use all of their stopping power. You may drive your whole life and never have to stop in an emergency or it could happen a few times in one night if you're driving out in the country where large animals cross the road.

Get your head out of your ***.

TANKERG

I think the thing everyone is overlooking is the OP is very happy with his selection of tires. He feels secure in the handling of his car with his choice of tire. They are also cheap and right now on sale for $129.

He has explained his reasons for buying these tires and what he puts on his car is his descision. I see posts condenming 8rs for putting heavy blingy wheels complaining that they ruined their performance and then praising "hella flush" owners with 245 or so tires stretched on a 10" rim that their car is badass. Are you going to tell me that that increased performance?

blazenblue63

Really? More grip is better? Who would have thought that! Maybe we do need to drive on slicks!

The whole argument is, are AS tires ok on an rx-8. The answer in OP's situation, is yes it is.

You're saying no because you MIGHT have to stop quicker someday than an AS tire can do.

Then my response is we need to run on slicks because they have the most grip and stop the quickest in the dry.

It doesn't matter if a summer tire stops you a foot shorter than an AS 99.9% of the time. You don't hit a deer doing 1 mph at the end of braking, you hit it doing 40 or so ten feet after you hit the pedal.

EightCostsMoney

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+1 on that! I really was not trying to stoke a flame war. I just wanted show off my new stuff and report that I am happy with the parts and tires I bought. Where I disagreed was that the tires I bought are trash and not suited for the RX-8. They are great for my application and I recommend them to anyone who may be in the same situation.

Boeuf

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I'm not saying the whole reason I disagree with AS tires on an RX8 is because he might have to stop shorter one day, I'm just saying that AS tires are a compromise and are less responsive than summer tires and in my opinion have no place on an RX8 or any other sports car. It defeats the purpose of buying a great handling car.

I only said what I said about emergency stopping bacuse you made that dumb *** comment about needing to learn how to drive if one were to need to emergcy stop more than once a year.

Maybe you should go back to school because you obviously can't read or comprehend.

JCrane82

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I am glad you are satisfied with the tire choice, and I agree that if these tires see under 40 F that all-seasons are a good idea (only if you are against running two sets of wheels/tires though).

The main point I wanted to get across to everyone was that all-season tires have less grip in all situations above 40 F, as the contrary was stated a few times. All-season tires are OK at everything, but great at nothing. If you are limited to only one set of wheels/tires, and the car will see sub 40 F temps, then all-seasons make sense. If the car won’t see sub 40 F temps, or if you run two sets of wheels/tires, all-seasons don’t make as much sense.

I think this conversation would have been a lot better if the OP had stated that the tires will see near freezing temps. Just stating that it rains all the time doesn’t provide enough information. I was assuming North West coast, and there are plenty of areas that don’t get near freezing in that region.

blazenblue63

What I said about the emergency stop once a year was obviously meant figuratively. Taking it literally is just nit picking.

The rx-8 in a whole is a car made of compromises. Otherwise it would have been an rx-7. It isn't THAT much of a sports car if a civic has more torque. Just saying. People need to stop acting like it's the end all be all sports car.

And putting crappy tires on a rear wheel drive car is tons of fun! The whole toybaru project was marketed around it lol.

You don't need amazing handling tires or car in day to day driving. Do I put all seasons on mine? No I don't. But the whole reason I'm posting here is because I don't think someone should be crucified for doing so by certain people.

TANKERG

Here Here!

Boeuf

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If you think power is what makes a sports car then you have a lot to learn.

Nobody crucified anybody. This is a forum, therfore if someone can't deal with others providing their opinions then they shouldn't post on said forum.

I don't give a **** if I hurt someones feelings because I think they made a poor choice on tires. Put on your big boy pants and deal with it. That's the whole point of a forum, to get different ideas and opinions or else we wouldn't post.