EightCostsMoney

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The tires I got are really good. Way better than what I had. I am not sure why people where bad mouthing them. They are the best in the rain (It rains here every afternoon). My rear end does not slip at all now. I used to have to go really easy from light or I would lose all traction. On these I just accelerate as normal.

JCrane82

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The general bad mouth comments about those tires are because they are not performance tires. Just because they are better than your previous tires, doesn't make them a performance tire. You seem to be in the mindset of "ignorance is bliss", and have not ever experienced some UHP or extreme performance tires.

At the end of the day, if you aren't tracking the car, and are driving in 40F rain often, those tires are fine for your needs. Everyone just has different needs and usually thinks in terms of their own needs, and not the OP's.

Boeuf

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I want to know what tires he used to have if he thinks his new tires are way better?

9krpmrx8

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He probably had worn out ones.

EightCostsMoney

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Here are the pics of the car where it sits now. I am very happy with the improvements that the new suspension and tires has made.

monchie

Lookin' good and very smart that you did an alignment afterwards...

rickeo

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Ugh, those tires just ruin the car.

EightCostsMoney

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I want some hard evidence that is the case! The car rides really nice, it is quiet, and I have been driving it hard even in rain and I yet to lose traction. If they were as bad as you guys were saying I would have taken them off.

JCrane82

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When speaking in outright performance (dry traction/grip, steering response, braking...etc.), saying you have the best all-season tires is similar to saying you are the smartest kid at a Charter school.......

The point you seem to be missing here is that you own sports car, not luxury car or even luxury sports car. I am sure these tires are great on a C-class Mercedes, but they aren't what Mazda engineers intended.

PS: Good job posting a marketing video from the manufacturer.....I am sure there is no bias there at all.

blazenblue63

OP don't worry about what others say. If you drive in the wet on a daily basis your tires are the right choice. 99% of comments you read are retards echoing the few guys who actually know what their talking about. If you're a casual driver that doesn't track or autocross, then you're fine with all seasons. Casual drivers that mount a direzza or rs3 just for summer driving are the ones on the wrong tire since they have worse grip in the rain than yours do.

JCrane82

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Congratulations......you just became one of those "retards echoing the few guys who actually know what they're talking about".

Know Your Tires: All-Season vs Summer - Popular Mechanics

The truth is that almost all summer tires will handle better in every condition above 40 degrees F than compared to all-season tires. Yes I understand that this is a blanket statement (that is why I said "almost"), and there are other factors such as tread design that play a role.....so this comment is specifically about the rubber compound.

Also if you note above, I stated:

blazenblue63

First of all I didn't mention any names so I don't know why you feel like I was talking about you specifically. I agreed with you mostly actually.

Second, The tires I mentioned (as an example) have (so I've read) a higher tendency to hydroplane. Making them worse. Sure up until that point their grip is better but in downpours I bet they aren't.

Third, The article you posted I doubt have direzza and rs3 in mind. More likely a more common summer tire that still has "all seasons" tread design to them.

alnielsen

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All-Season tires were never meant to be optimum for all conditions. They were meant to be good enough for all conditions. If your not pressing to get the most out of the car, on the street, this is not a wrong decision. On top of that, you can get performance AS tires that are several steps above normal. I did a couple of track days on a set of Pirelli's and they did OK. If you look at my sig, I'm not a race track noob.

Boeuf

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I'm not saying the dude should buy an RS3 or any other extreme summer tire, I'm saying he should put a performance summer tire on. Wether he puts on oem Re040's or something similar, like a Ventus V12 or a FK451, etc. There are a ton of great summer tires that perform extremely well in the wet.
Those Michelins he put on are a giant piece of ****, unless you're driving a boring economy car such as a Toyota Corolla or the like.
I had this on my 2003 Accord and they blew *** on that car let alone on a sports car.
I just don't understand why you would buy a sports car and then put economy tires on it. Even worse, the OP put on performance springs and shocks and then put on shitty tires.
I would be willing to bet that his car handles worse now with these tires and his new suspension then a stock RX8 on oem summer tires.

alnielsen

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The RE040's, that you mention and come as OEM on the car, aren't that great of a tire either. They wear out fast, are ridiculously expensive for what you get, hydroplane in light standing water, ...... I could go on. I spun out on a set, going around a gentle bend on a wet expressway going 65 mph.
Your talking about what you've read. Your not talking from experience.

EightCostsMoney

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I struggled with going with a set of summer tires. However, based on my old tires experiences (Which were summer tires) caused me to go with the ones I got. It rains nearly every day here, especially in the summer. I was losing tracking all the time and that was when my old tires had low mileage on them. Since my little girl rides in the back I felt it was best to go with what was safer than EXTREME performance.

I based my buying decision on this review along with price, and, long tread life.

Michelin*Primacy MXM4 (Look under Tests)

Tire Test Results : Testing New Grand Touring All-Season Tires

So saying they are junk is a very incorrect statement. This is based on the links above, my application, and my personal experience so far.

Boeuf

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Alien,

First of all I agree that the RE040's aren't the best summer tire out there. That's why I mentioned a couple other tires and put an etc at the end of my sentence.

Secondly, you obviously can't read because I gave mentioned in two different posts that I have had the shitty Michelins he bought on a Honda Accord.

Thirdly, the RE040's are still a better performance summer tire than the MXM4's the OP purchased and are better suited to the RX8.

Boeuf

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Saying they're junk for an RX8 is very correct. If you have that many problems driving through rain then maybe you should take some driver training on a wet course because I've had both max performance summer tires and extreme performance summer tires and I have driven through some pretty serious down pours and not been spinning my tires and losing traction constantly.

EightCostsMoney

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I do not agree and attacking my driving skill is just stupid.

Boeuf

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Obviously you don't agree and putting an economy all season tire on is just stupid.

It's just like giving a professional athlete a pair of sandals instead of cleats and asking them to perform.

blazenblue63

I think you guys are missing the point. OP bought the tires for wet performance ONLY.

To see the difference between his dry performance and a max or extreme summer tire you have to drive like an idiot around corners and intersections. Sure they'll chirp during spirited driving and aggressive pulling from the light but for what HE uses the car and tires for, they are fine.

The car only needs an extreme summer tire if you drive the car to those limits.

EightCostsMoney

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Go away troll! Again you have not giving me any evidence that the tire I bought does not work well with the RX-8 for the purpose I am using it, which is commuting.

blazenblue63

When the athlete isn't running he doesn't wear his sneakers. He might just wear a pair of crocs

JCrane82

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I think are you missing the point blazen. I don't think anyone here is saying the OP is going to crash his car due to lack of traction. They are saying that this isn't the best choice of tire for a RX-8 that isn't going to see sub 40 degree F temperatures.

Also, summer (three-season) tires are BETTER in wet performance above 40 degrees F than all-season tires (compound comparison only, not thread design). Why blazen and the OP are ignoring this point is beyond me. There are many summer tires that will outperform these tires in the wet (assuming it isn't near freezing temps).

JCrane82

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OP, did you have a chance to read the article I posted by Popular Mechanics?