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Old Jun 30, 2013 | 08:55 AM
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Time for a rebuild?

Cold starts like a beauty, barley have to turn the key. Hot starts like crap, I’m left cranking for 30 seconds before she will fire up.
Daily driving runs great, still pulls hard. Take her to the track after 3 or 4 laps I’m just pouring out smoke, LIKE POURING OUT SMOKE and she’s falling on her face and drinking the oil up. Then she will drive home fine.

2004 6-speed 67,000clicks

Always: 94 octane ethanol free, Idemitsu 10w-30 Rotary Engine Oil, Idemitsu Racing Rotary Fuel Lube (Premix)

Stock other then these new mods:

AEM cold air intake
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No tune or remap since mods, I just cleared/reset the NVRAM /KAM/ PCM
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Old Jun 30, 2013 | 12:14 PM
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Your starter is probably going bad, early 04 & 05's came with weak starters.
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Old Jun 30, 2013 | 12:15 PM
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Also maybe potential oil seal going bad? Our coolant jacket. Compression test wouldn't be a bad idea either...

White smoke is usually a sign of coolant being burnt, and bluish smoke being oil. Considering premix it could add to the smoke, but not too much.

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Old Jun 30, 2013 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Emery_
Your starter is probably going bad, early 04 & 05's came with weak starters.
A bad starter would leave him with terrible cold starts too.

I'd say yes, time for a compression test to confirm the diagnosis.
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Old Jul 1, 2013 | 08:18 PM
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We aren’t talking about a little smoke, I’m talking about a massive smoke screen when driven hard.
But still runs great and pulls hard daily driving her, or I can drive her hard if I keep it below 7,000rpm.
I’m finding a gassy smelling oil on my new air filter as well.
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Old Jul 1, 2013 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by NO_PSTNS
We aren’t talking about a little smoke, I’m talking about a massive smoke screen when driven hard.
But still runs great and pulls hard daily driving her, or I can drive her hard if I keep it below 7,000rpm.
I’m finding a gassy smelling oil on my new air filter as well.
Do you ever overfill the oil? I always had good cold starts, but bad hot starts when I first got my '04, but my upgraded starter fixed all that.
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Old Jul 2, 2013 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Junkman 6394226
Do you ever overfill the oil? I always had good cold starts, but bad hot starts when I first got my '04, but my upgraded starter fixed all that.

No, I’ve mastered reading my dipstick, and knowing how much to pour in, I always keep it an 1/8 of an inch below the top line. I have noticed oil in that vent line you’re talking about, some say this is also sings of a rebuild needed.



Also a starter isn’t going to fix my high rpm smoke screen, its something more than that.
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Old Jul 2, 2013 | 06:31 PM
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Get a compression test
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Old Jul 3, 2013 | 10:33 AM
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Most likely an oil control ring is packed with carbon and is stuck in a compressed position allowing oil to seep through when pressures rise.
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Old Jul 3, 2013 | 10:42 AM
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Old Jul 3, 2013 | 10:49 AM
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Another thing you could try is hooking up a catch can and seeing what frothy goodness your engine is spitting out.
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Old Jul 3, 2013 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by shadycrew31
Most likely an oil control ring is packed with carbon and is stuck in a compressed position allowing oil to seep through when pressures rise.

Whats a good way to check this.
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Old Jul 3, 2013 | 09:38 PM
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^ Srsly?
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Old Jul 4, 2013 | 10:36 PM
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Yeah it's the fricken oil control rings, gaaaay. Well might as well re-build her right, who makes the best rebuild kit? Ceramic apex seals or carbon? Think I might do bridge port or something nasty too
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Old Jul 4, 2013 | 10:57 PM
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Yeah do something nasty bro, that would be freakin' awesome tight yo.
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Old Jul 4, 2013 | 11:09 PM
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Old Jul 5, 2013 | 09:14 AM
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This planet... I don't want to live here anymore... Mars take me away.
I feel the same way some days
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Old Jul 5, 2013 | 07:35 PM
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Yeah do something nasty bro, that would be freakin' awesome tight yo.

I've built a 270whp S5 FC, my last car 414whp jdm enfini FC Type R, both cars started stock.

Don't talk to me like I'm some sort of kid, I can GARENTTE I make more money than your TERRIBAL economic situated American ***.

Do you make $138/hr running a b-pressure welding truck in your area?
DIDNT THINK SO!

I can do whatever the hell I want to my rx8 kid.

You’re part of the %90 of typical ignorant Americans that make the other %10 of good Americans look bad, congrats buddy.
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Old Jul 5, 2013 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by NO_PSTNS
I've built a 270whp S5 FC, my last car 414whp jdm enfini FC Type R, both cars started stock.

Don't talk to me like I'm some sort of kid, I can GARENTTE I make more money than your TERRIBAL economic situated American ***.

Do you make $138/hr running a b-pressure welding truck in your area?
DIDNT THINK SO!

I can do whatever the hell I want to my rx8 kid.

You’re part of the %90 of typical ignorant Americans that make the other %10 of good Americans look bad, congrats buddy.
LOL

You said and I quote, "bridge port or something nasty too"...

He was replying in kind with a bit of sarcasm, most likely due to the obvious lack of knowledge you have about the renesis engine.
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Old Jul 6, 2013 | 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by NO_PSTNS
I can GARENTTE I make more money than your TERRIBAL economic situated American ***.

Do you make $138/hr running a b-pressure welding truck in your area?
DIDNT THINK SO!

I can do whatever the hell I want to my rx8 kid.
Say what?

And no, I don't run a welding truck. But I have dreamed of running a welding truck my whole life.

Yes, you can do whatever you want to your Rx-8.

"Make it nasty, make it nasty
Drop drop it on a bitch, make it nasty
Make it nasty, make it nasty
Pop pop it on a bitch, make it nasty"



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LOL

You said and I quote, "bridge port or something nasty too"...

He was replying in kind with a bit of sarcasm, most likely due to the obvious lack of knowledge you have about the renesis engine.
Exactly.
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Old Jul 6, 2013 | 01:36 AM
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You make $138/hr and buy an RX8? That doesn't add up. Why wouldn't you buy a real car? Honestly I love my 8 but if made that kinda dough I would be driving something with a lot more power and refinement.

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Old Jul 6, 2013 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by NO_PSTNS
Yeah it's the fricken oil control rings, gaaaay. Well might as well re-build her right, who makes the best rebuild kit? Ceramic apex seals or carbon? Think I might do bridge port or something nasty too
Lets cut the bullshit out and get back to the basics.

I'm only going to tell you this once as I have posted this before in other threads and found that the OP didn't actually want any advice.

Get your specialty tools here:

Pineapple Racing - Tools & Equipment

Get your rebuild kit here:

04-11 Rx8 Manual Master Rebuild Kit

Select OEM everything and add the cut off seal and cut off seal spring.

Get your porting template here:

RX8: Engine - Porting Tools: Porting Template - Renesis S-Port -

No gains have been found with a bridge port, minimal gains have been found with a street port. you can open up the ports a bit more than the RB template calls for.


Thats all you need to know get back to us once its rebuilt.
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Old Jul 6, 2013 | 02:38 PM
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You must make a compresion test.

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Old Jul 6, 2013 | 04:02 PM
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A compression test most likely will not pick up on a failing oil control ring.
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Old Jul 13, 2013 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by shadycrew31
Lets cut the bullshit out and get back to the basics.

I'm only going to tell you this once as I have posted this before in other threads and found that the OP didn't actually want any advice.

Get your specialty tools here:

Pineapple Racing - Tools & Equipment

Get your rebuild kit here:

04-11 Rx8 Manual Master Rebuild Kit

Select OEM everything and add the cut off seal and cut off seal spring.

Get your porting template here:

RX8: Engine - Porting Tools: Porting Template - Renesis S-Port -

No gains have been found with a bridge port, minimal gains have been found with a street port. you can open up the ports a bit more than the RB template calls for.


Thats all you need to know get back to us once its rebuilt.

It's funny that you mentioned Atkins Rotary, that’s exactly who I already ordered from, I ordered "Kit C" though with cutoff seals and springs and without apex seals. Then the Ianetti ceramic apex seal set of 6 from mazdatrix. And streetporting and resurfacing from pettit when the time comes.
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