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04-18-2011, 02:33 PM
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This is not normal lol, and all those CEL missing for problem you had is neither normal... maybe you have something wrong with the computer or i dont know, because i got CEL for everything is wrong with my car even a fukin gaz cap lol !
04-18-2011, 02:52 PM
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JCR, do they have your car physically?
If they do, then do what you have to in order to get it back without paying them any more than you have. If they don't have your car, DON'T go back.
The CEL has nothing to do with your idle problems, and your ignition almost certainly does. I'd stop worrying about the claimed gasket leak since there is almost nothing to support that claim, and plenty of other known issues that could be causing your problem.
Get your car back, give it some ignition maintenance with new plugs, wires, and coils, and then see how it does.
Seriously. 100%. Stop chasing that gasket.
If they do, then do what you have to in order to get it back without paying them any more than you have. If they don't have your car, DON'T go back.
The CEL has nothing to do with your idle problems, and your ignition almost certainly does. I'd stop worrying about the claimed gasket leak since there is almost nothing to support that claim, and plenty of other known issues that could be causing your problem.
Get your car back, give it some ignition maintenance with new plugs, wires, and coils, and then see how it does.
Seriously. 100%. Stop chasing that gasket.
04-18-2011, 02:57 PM
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The ECU is only as good as the information fed it and how it was programmed. There are simply too many variables and things that can go wrong (WITH ANY CAR) to program in a sensor feed for every single one. Unfortunately, they can't even target the major ones since like 50% of them (including the gas cap) are entirely emissions related.
And no CEL with a midpipe (and not getting it deliberately blocked) is common with RX-8s. REALLY common. Some people get it, some people don't, some people it comes and goes.
Stop putting so much importance on the CEL when you clearly haven't placed the importance on your ignition that you need to. That is one of the most critical parts of the car!
04-18-2011, 03:55 PM
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Ok I just read through the 53 posts or so quickly....
If the dealer performed a software update for your PCM, you will lose all codes stored in memory. The codes you are getting now, assuming your CEL is on right now, are the codes that the computer has caught in the meantime since the software flash has been done. It does not mean that is all the codes you ever had previously. This has nothing to do with your radio presets or clock or anything like that.
In this situation, you'll have to tackle each problem one at a time and assume there could be other issues afterwards. I would try to get your EVAP code diagnosed, like someone said it could just be your gas cap, or it may be something else. If you have a EVAP vapor line leak, that could also create a vacuum leak into your intake. Also you never mentioned if the initial hot idle problem has occurred again since your reflash.
If the dealer performed a software update for your PCM, you will lose all codes stored in memory. The codes you are getting now, assuming your CEL is on right now, are the codes that the computer has caught in the meantime since the software flash has been done. It does not mean that is all the codes you ever had previously. This has nothing to do with your radio presets or clock or anything like that.
In this situation, you'll have to tackle each problem one at a time and assume there could be other issues afterwards. I would try to get your EVAP code diagnosed, like someone said it could just be your gas cap, or it may be something else. If you have a EVAP vapor line leak, that could also create a vacuum leak into your intake. Also you never mentioned if the initial hot idle problem has occurred again since your reflash.
04-18-2011, 09:07 PM
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JCR, do they have your car physically?
If they do, then do what you have to in order to get it back without paying them any more than you have. If they don't have your car, DON'T go back.
The CEL has nothing to do with your idle problems, and your ignition almost certainly does. I'd stop worrying about the claimed gasket leak since there is almost nothing to support that claim, and plenty of other known issues that could be causing your problem.
Get your car back, give it some ignition maintenance with new plugs, wires, and coils, and then see how it does.
Seriously. 100%. Stop chasing that gasket.
If they do, then do what you have to in order to get it back without paying them any more than you have. If they don't have your car, DON'T go back.
The CEL has nothing to do with your idle problems, and your ignition almost certainly does. I'd stop worrying about the claimed gasket leak since there is almost nothing to support that claim, and plenty of other known issues that could be causing your problem.
Get your car back, give it some ignition maintenance with new plugs, wires, and coils, and then see how it does.
Seriously. 100%. Stop chasing that gasket.
Alright i got some good news man, i think it was a P2070 SSV stucked, so i raved it like crazy all day long and sudently it worked very good, the SSV has unstucked i think and now with my new OBX test pipe its very nice to drive, but i am wondering if the problem will come again and i will do the ignition maintenance next month. Stoping chasing that damn gaskets !
Ok I just read through the 53 posts or so quickly....
If the dealer performed a software update for your PCM, you will lose all codes stored in memory. The codes you are getting now, assuming your CEL is on right now, are the codes that the computer has caught in the meantime since the software flash has been done. It does not mean that is all the codes you ever had previously. This has nothing to do with your radio presets or clock or anything like that.
In this situation, you'll have to tackle each problem one at a time and assume there could be other issues afterwards. I would try to get your EVAP code diagnosed, like someone said it could just be your gas cap, or it may be something else. If you have a EVAP vapor line leak, that could also create a vacuum leak into your intake. Also you never mentioned if the initial hot idle problem has occurred again since your reflash.
If the dealer performed a software update for your PCM, you will lose all codes stored in memory. The codes you are getting now, assuming your CEL is on right now, are the codes that the computer has caught in the meantime since the software flash has been done. It does not mean that is all the codes you ever had previously. This has nothing to do with your radio presets or clock or anything like that.
In this situation, you'll have to tackle each problem one at a time and assume there could be other issues afterwards. I would try to get your EVAP code diagnosed, like someone said it could just be your gas cap, or it may be something else. If you have a EVAP vapor line leak, that could also create a vacuum leak into your intake. Also you never mentioned if the initial hot idle problem has occurred again since your reflash.
No idle problem since reflash ... Even in hot traffic environment. Well my car does not seems to have any problem anymore, but i do still have the check engine on, and i am sure its the gas cap and DSC/TSC plus my test pipe that is showing the CEL on. I will go at my mech have a CEL check, then he will give me the code and will post back on the forum.
04-18-2011, 09:09 PM
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Will make a video about my acceleration so you guys will tell me if its a normal accel, the sound of the test pipe is loud but kinda raspy, i think i will have to put something more.
04-19-2011, 06:57 AM
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If you are going to swap test pipes, 100% recommend you go with BHR. Best tone, no packing to fail, no rasp, no rattle, no drone. I'm closing in on 20,000 miles with it and nothing but fantastic the entire time.
04-19-2011, 10:45 AM
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Nice i will have a look on the web for it, can you link me the one you have and how much it cost ?
04-19-2011, 01:35 PM
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hey guys i knew it ! The dealer told me the p0456 is the manifold issue code... wich is not because its the gas cap code, he also gived me this one too po455.
Well i really stop chasing that damn manifold issue, my car is running nicely now.
Well i really stop chasing that damn manifold issue, my car is running nicely now.
04-19-2011, 01:45 PM
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Both p0455 and p0456 are evap codes.
Stop chasing the manifold gasket.
Instead, buy new coils, plugs and wires and RIWWP suggested. You may want to look into BHR's ignition system as well. It's way more than worth the price over the stock coils.
http://www.blackhaloracing.com/
You're gonna have to learn to start searching for yourself. We can't hold your hand through everything.
The more you read, the more you know, and knowing is half the battle.
Stop chasing the manifold gasket.
Instead, buy new coils, plugs and wires and RIWWP suggested. You may want to look into BHR's ignition system as well. It's way more than worth the price over the stock coils.
http://www.blackhaloracing.com/
You're gonna have to learn to start searching for yourself. We can't hold your hand through everything.
The more you read, the more you know, and knowing is half the battle.
04-19-2011, 01:54 PM
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Both p0455 and p0456 are evap codes.
Stop chasing the manifold gasket.
Instead, buy new coils, plugs and wires and RIWWP suggested. You may want to look into BHR's ignition system as well. It's way more than worth the price over the stock coils.
http://www.blackhaloracing.com/
You're gonna have to learn to start searching for yourself. We can't hold your hand through everything.
The more you read, the more you know, and knowing is half the battle.
Stop chasing the manifold gasket.
Instead, buy new coils, plugs and wires and RIWWP suggested. You may want to look into BHR's ignition system as well. It's way more than worth the price over the stock coils.
http://www.blackhaloracing.com/
You're gonna have to learn to start searching for yourself. We can't hold your hand through everything.
The more you read, the more you know, and knowing is half the battle.
Nicely put Fuz, yeah i will buy the bhr ignition kit along with a midpipe to replace the obx crap i have , its making a huge raspy sound like a scooter, but i like the boost from it, rpm is more quick.
04-20-2011, 09:18 PM
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I think you'll be biting off more than you can chew.
Get to know the car as it is first. A 20b swap is no small undertaking even if the shop has already done one (I can only think of one that is or was done by a shop in the us and the rest have been done at home by some excellent craftsmen). I don't even think that car is finished, and it's been well over a year. Any swap is going to be more upkeep than a stock car. Hell, any modded car is more upkeep than a stock car. Even if a shop does the work, you'll still have to maintain the car, troubleshoot issues and fix it on your own. You won't have anyone to rely on really because it's a rare thing in an 8 and everyone done so far has been different. This thread pretty much shows that you're not up to the task. Maybe once you learn the car and can wrench on it and troubleshoot it stock without leaning on asking questions on a forum, you can start thinking about it. Until then, don't even bother thinking about doing it.
Sorry to be harsh man, but this topic is brought up enough and nothing ever comes of it. Most of the time it's because the poster doesn't have a clue what they're doing, doesn't have the almost unlimited funding needed, or is just completely talking out of their ***.
Oh and a header won't do you any good on a turbo'd engine. NA and SC'd cars use headers (when used as to describe tubular exhaust manifolds). On turbo'd cars it's usually called an exhaust or turbo manifold and use a downpipe.
Get to know the car as it is first. A 20b swap is no small undertaking even if the shop has already done one (I can only think of one that is or was done by a shop in the us and the rest have been done at home by some excellent craftsmen). I don't even think that car is finished, and it's been well over a year. Any swap is going to be more upkeep than a stock car. Hell, any modded car is more upkeep than a stock car. Even if a shop does the work, you'll still have to maintain the car, troubleshoot issues and fix it on your own. You won't have anyone to rely on really because it's a rare thing in an 8 and everyone done so far has been different. This thread pretty much shows that you're not up to the task. Maybe once you learn the car and can wrench on it and troubleshoot it stock without leaning on asking questions on a forum, you can start thinking about it. Until then, don't even bother thinking about doing it.
Sorry to be harsh man, but this topic is brought up enough and nothing ever comes of it. Most of the time it's because the poster doesn't have a clue what they're doing, doesn't have the almost unlimited funding needed, or is just completely talking out of their ***.
Oh and a header won't do you any good on a turbo'd engine. NA and SC'd cars use headers (when used as to describe tubular exhaust manifolds). On turbo'd cars it's usually called an exhaust or turbo manifold and use a downpipe.
04-20-2011, 09:18 PM
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What I think is in red...
- i am planning Good idea. Not enough people plan. Including you.
- building my 8 Aren't you driving it now? Is it in pieces?
- when i will end up school When you finish school?
- and when i will have my job. So, you don't even have a job yet...
- I will order a 20B 3-rotor engine Uh oh, here we go again
- twin turbo sigh. You realize there is no advantage of twin turbo over single
- and maybe a ZEX kit maybe. Kinda stupid if you got the above 2 points. Hardly worth anything
- will put headers This starts to prove you have NO idea what you are talking about, since any engine has "headers", and if you are doing an engine swap, you are gonna kinda need them. Mentioning it as an upgrade just shows how little you know
- and a full aftermarket exhaust And this finishes proving you don't know what you are talking about, since DUH, you can't use the stock exhaust with a 20B, so of course it's going to be custom!
- I will also buy a VeilSide bodykit And this prove you have no sense of taste or style, picking the most well known body kit maker that is also the ugliest piece of shoddy garbage ever put together for the 8, making it a travesty to man kind.
- and a new paint !
- I spoke with a company that will do the work for around 40k$, engine include. $40k is cheap for everything above, so it means it is either TERRIBLE work, will take forever, or it's a scam. Quality, Quick, Cheap. Pick 1, the other two gets the reverse. If you want it done right, it won't be cheap and it won't be quick. If you want quick, it will be built terrible and cost you a fortune. If you want cheap, it will take forever and be built wrong.
God, and everyone else on the forum, knows how much I go out of my way to help new people, but I'm done with you. You clearly have your head in the clouds or up your ***, and aren't seeing reality in front of you. TAKE PROPER CARE OF THE CAR YOU HAVE NOW (and you are quickly proving you can't even do that), FINISH SCHOOL, and then start planning, once you see how the real world works and reality strikes home with your bills, mortgage, loans, etc... Every single kid that joins has great plans about massive monster builds, and to my knowledge not a single kid has followed through. Even the adults have trouble with reality, and only 4-5 20b RX-8s have been built for the street from these projects.
- i am planning Good idea. Not enough people plan. Including you.
- building my 8 Aren't you driving it now? Is it in pieces?
- when i will end up school When you finish school?
- and when i will have my job. So, you don't even have a job yet...
- I will order a 20B 3-rotor engine Uh oh, here we go again
- twin turbo
sigh. You realize there is no advantage of twin turbo over single- and maybe a ZEX kit maybe. Kinda stupid if you got the above 2 points. Hardly worth anything
- will put headers This starts to prove you have NO idea what you are talking about, since any engine has "headers", and if you are doing an engine swap, you are gonna kinda need them. Mentioning it as an upgrade just shows how little you know
- and a full aftermarket exhaust And this finishes proving you don't know what you are talking about, since DUH, you can't use the stock exhaust with a 20B, so of course it's going to be custom!
- I will also buy a VeilSide bodykit And this prove you have no sense of taste or style, picking the most well known body kit maker that is also the ugliest piece of shoddy garbage ever put together for the 8, making it a travesty to man kind.
- and a new paint !
- I spoke with a company that will do the work for around 40k$, engine include. $40k is cheap for everything above, so it means it is either TERRIBLE work, will take forever, or it's a scam. Quality, Quick, Cheap. Pick 1, the other two gets the reverse. If you want it done right, it won't be cheap and it won't be quick. If you want quick, it will be built terrible and cost you a fortune. If you want cheap, it will take forever and be built wrong.
God, and everyone else on the forum, knows how much I go out of my way to help new people, but I'm done with you. You clearly have your head in the clouds or up your ***, and aren't seeing reality in front of you. TAKE PROPER CARE OF THE CAR YOU HAVE NOW (and you are quickly proving you can't even do that), FINISH SCHOOL, and then start planning, once you see how the real world works and reality strikes home with your bills, mortgage, loans, etc... Every single kid that joins has great plans about massive monster builds, and to my knowledge not a single kid has followed through. Even the adults have trouble with reality, and only 4-5 20b RX-8s have been built for the street from these projects.
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04-20-2011, 09:21 PM
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What I think is in red...
- i am planning Good idea. Not enough people plan. Including you.
- building my 8 Aren't you driving it now? Is it in pieces?
- when i will end up school When you finish school?
- and when i will have my job. So, you don't even have a job yet...
- I will order a 20B 3-rotor engine Uh oh, here we go again
- twin turbo sigh. You realize there is no advantage of twin turbo over single
- and maybe a ZEX kit maybe. Kinda stupid if you got the above 2 points. Hardly worth anything
- will put headers This starts to prove you have NO idea what you are talking about, since any engine has "headers", and if you are doing an engine swap, you are gonna kinda need them. Mentioning it as an upgrade just shows how little you know
- and a full aftermarket exhaust And this finishes proving you don't know what you are talking about, since DUH, you can't use the stock exhaust with a 20B, so of course it's going to be custom!
- I will also buy a VeilSide bodykit And this prove you have no sense of taste or style, picking the most well known body kit maker that is also the ugliest piece of shoddy garbage ever put together for the 8, making it a travesty to man kind.
- and a new paint !
- I spoke with a company that will do the work for around 40k$, engine include. $40k is cheap for everything above, so it means it is either TERRIBLE work, will take forever, or it's a scam. Quality, Quick, Cheap. Pick 2, the other gets the reverse.
- i am planning Good idea. Not enough people plan. Including you.
- building my 8 Aren't you driving it now? Is it in pieces?
- when i will end up school When you finish school?
- and when i will have my job. So, you don't even have a job yet...
- I will order a 20B 3-rotor engine Uh oh, here we go again
- twin turbo
sigh. You realize there is no advantage of twin turbo over single- and maybe a ZEX kit maybe. Kinda stupid if you got the above 2 points. Hardly worth anything
- will put headers This starts to prove you have NO idea what you are talking about, since any engine has "headers", and if you are doing an engine swap, you are gonna kinda need them. Mentioning it as an upgrade just shows how little you know
- and a full aftermarket exhaust And this finishes proving you don't know what you are talking about, since DUH, you can't use the stock exhaust with a 20B, so of course it's going to be custom!
- I will also buy a VeilSide bodykit And this prove you have no sense of taste or style, picking the most well known body kit maker that is also the ugliest piece of shoddy garbage ever put together for the 8, making it a travesty to man kind.
- and a new paint !
- I spoke with a company that will do the work for around 40k$, engine include. $40k is cheap for everything above, so it means it is either TERRIBLE work, will take forever, or it's a scam. Quality, Quick, Cheap. Pick 2, the other gets the reverse.
04-20-2011, 09:28 PM
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JCR I would ask a mod to lock this thread. RIWWP and my responses are gonna be the nicest you're gonna get if more people see the thread. You don't need any more answers and certainly don't want flamed.
04-20-2011, 09:47 PM
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After reading this whole thread, bam.
JCR, I think you are retarded.
I will never get that time spent back.
I know its off topic guys, but i am planning building my 8 when i will end up school and when i will have my job. I will order a 20B 3-rotor engine twin turbo and maybe a ZEX kit, will put headers and a full aftermarket exhaust. I will also buy a VeilSide bodykit and a new paint !
I spoke with a company that will do the work for around 40k$, engine include.
What do you think guys ?
I spoke with a company that will do the work for around 40k$, engine include.
What do you think guys ?
I will never get that time spent back.
04-20-2011, 09:56 PM
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I know its off topic guys, but i am planning building my 8 when i will end up school and when i will have my job. I will order a 20B 3-rotor engine twin turbo and maybe a ZEX kit, will put headers and a full aftermarket exhaust. I will also buy a VeilSide bodykit and a new paint !
I spoke with a company that will do the work for around 40k$, engine include.
What do you think guys ?
I spoke with a company that will do the work for around 40k$, engine include.
What do you think guys ?
I would stop posting and start googling
04-21-2011, 07:19 AM
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JCR, you need to familiarize your self with the car before you start thinking about what mods you are going to make. Read the 7 years of accumulated knowledge before deciding on what to do.
04-21-2011, 10:34 AM
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LOL i knew it was gonna get me flamed like crazy, alnielsen thanks for your cold blood.
I read few things about 20b, and i will forget that idea, sorry that i pissed off some ppls ( get a life its only a forum, who cares if i'm a noob... just don't post anything if its not telling me the right things, who fukin said that i know what im speaking about)
Will get a turbo kit for the car with turbo exhaust and nothing more than that. And will do it when i will get the cash for it, school finish in 4 years, and yes i have a job at Logosoft Technologies inc. Planning to do an additionnal year of study in mechanics.
Now moderator, please just close that thread, i will just never post again, will only read.
Being a noob in car is not allowed in this forum.
I read few things about 20b, and i will forget that idea, sorry that i pissed off some ppls ( get a life its only a forum, who cares if i'm a noob... just don't post anything if its not telling me the right things, who fukin said that i know what im speaking about)
Will get a turbo kit for the car with turbo exhaust and nothing more than that. And will do it when i will get the cash for it, school finish in 4 years, and yes i have a job at Logosoft Technologies inc. Planning to do an additionnal year of study in mechanics.
Now moderator, please just close that thread, i will just never post again, will only read.
Being a noob in car is not allowed in this forum.
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