JCR

damn its the last one in the thread you gave me
in the post of wcs

here is links from imgshack

http://img846.imageshack.us/i/p1030300b.jpg/

http://img232.imageshack.us/i/uimremoved.jpg/

Where and what is the gasket ? (noob)
to my eyes it should be that
http://img860.imageshack.us/i/uimremovedcopy.jpg/

Just a sub question :
Alright the guy at the dealer told me they updated the computer to the new pcm. I wonder if they really did because nothing has restarted in the car, like radio channels and etc...
I don't know if its suppose to do that but when i unplug the battery to clear the cell ( gas cap cell) evrything goes back to initial oem state in the car, kilometers goes back to miles, radio channels are no more
bookmarked and speaker config are restarted. You know what i mean watever,logically it should do the same if they change the software so did they really updated the computer ?

JCR

Ok i called the dealer and they told me that they wanted to change all the manifold, they told that i need to change all the thing...

Can't be true. How can it brake WTF. I am sure its only the gasket wich is costing me 37$ at the dealer.

What you guys think ?

Bladecutter

Well, you did hit a raccoon, didn't you?
That would be how the thing broke, I would guess.

What you need to do is have your mechanic put your car up on his lift, and take a look around to see what is actually going on.

Maybe something is physically broken.
Maybe nothing is.
You won't know until you look for it.

BC.

fuztupnz

iTrader: (4)

I would get both the gasket you have circled and the round orange o-ring style one.

Like BC said though, you won't know what's broke until you get it apart and look.

JCR

Alright guys i will lift the car at my mech's garare then look to see if something is broken, if i dont see nothing i will change the gasket, and will see if there is anything broke up there.

I hope its only the gasket, and the check engine was there since before the racoon so its not that little son of a $#%%^ .

JCR

I will take some picture of under the car, and picture of the upper intake mainifold just for you guys to see if there is something wrong, after that i will change gasket and check further in to see if there is something broke.

JCR

If someone could make a video about how to change upper intake manifold gasket, it would be awsome, very apreciated.

JCR

Alright is it really possible that my upper intake manifold is broken or its only the dealer that want to replace the ol'thing instead of removing then change gasket and replace after ?

Because dealer are never reallly honest.
How can i check that, and how did they know that it was the manifold is broken and not only the gasket ? Is the check engine telling that , i mean there is a code for broken manifold and another code for gasket only ?

This is wierd because i think there is only a CEL for the gasket, and not for the manifold, and clearly i can say that i see nothing broke under the car and in the hood, i checked several times if i could see something wrong, but its seems to be alright.

Please someone has to know if there is a CEL for manifold or only for gasket.

fuztupnz

iTrader: (4)

A CEL doesn't tell you what's broken, it only tells you that something is wrong. Did you ever get the code read? It will point you in the right direction, but you won't know what's wrong until you look at it. You'll have to pull the UIM and inspect it to see if it's broken or cracked.

JCR

Yead the dealer did read the code, and they told me right after that i need to change all the manifold, not only the gasket. I mean how could they possibly now that, they only had the car for 2 hours. They didn't had the time to check all the manifold and only charge me the check engine check...

I think they lie, and i only have to change the gasket, wich would be preferable, onterwise the upper intake manifold is 500$ at the dealer + taxes and they charge me 270$ labor +taxes. They are crazy.

fuztupnz

iTrader: (4)

You could have a stuck SSV. If that's the case, the dealer would more than likely replace the UIM. You need to know what the code was if you want to narrow it down yourself. If not, you'll just be replacing parts blindly. Get the code read and come back with it, or search for the code yourself to see what it is.

JCR

Alright, so they read the CEL at the dealer but they didn't told me what was the code... i should had ask. Damn it !

I'll ask my mech to read it again to see what it is and search after for it. Will post it too tho.

What is an SSV ?

fuztupnz

iTrader: (4)

You really should do some research before you tear into this problem. If you don't know what you're looking at, you won't know what you're looking for.

https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-trouble-shooting-95/ssv-stuck-open-code-p2070-79403/

JCR

yeah well i dont think i will handle that, i'll let my mech do it. If its too expensive i will be considering educating myself.

But i will read the link you gave me mate, i wish its not the upper intake that is broken, and kind of sure its not.

Bladecutter

Is there some reason you won't just bring your car to your mechanic and have him look at the car while it is on the lift to see if any parts are broken or disconnected?

You said your dealer had the car for 2 hours.
Chances are, that involved them putting the car on a lift, and were able to look around the motor area for damage. You have not done that.

Take your car to an autozone, pep boys, advanced auto parts, o'reilly, or some other auto parts store, and have them pull your CEL codes. Just do it. Then take that code, and search either the internet, or this forum, and see what you come up with.

After you do that, post the codes here in this thread, and the very knowledgeable people here will give you various ideas.

YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.
We can't do it for you, or answer your questions without looking at your car ourselves. But, we would have already done the above, and be several days ahead of you.

BC.

fuztupnz

iTrader: (4)

very elegantly put BC.

JCR

Alright i did it, had to do an oil change so they verified under and nothing is broken, upper intake manifold is too far to get damages from under the car they told me, we checked it and nothing seems to be broken, so i called the dealer and he will give me the codes they read. I hope its not p2070...
Well i am gonna post the codes tomorrow. And something i wanted to tell you guys, i changed the catalytic for a test pipe, and now the loss of power that the upper manifold issue is giving me is now more significant. Does this sound weird ?

JCR

alright guys so i have them ! Just called and they told me those codes.
C1093
P0456

I 'm sure they hided me one, they are not honest. I hate the dealer.

fuztupnz

iTrader: (4)

C1093= DSC has been disabled. This will happen when you've turned TC and DSC completely off. Does not trigger a CEL. It does get stored in memory every time you've done it.

P0456= EVAP system leak. Most likely a loose gas cap. If don't put it on all the way, it will trigger a CEL. It could be a bad gas cap if you have it happening consistently. It doesn't effect performance though.

Neither of these suggest a bad gasket.

JCR

Yeah i just called them back and they told me to call tomorow, because they don't have another CEL , so i don't understand why they told me it was broken, so tommorow i will go there speak with the mech that has worked on my 8, they not only told me that the gasket was broke, they told me that i have to replace all the manifold, but i'm sure its only the gasket and they want to overcharge me for a complete manifold change...

Will see what he will have to say, and i will ask them to lift the car if he saw something under it that might prove the manifold is broke. And will ask for that damn CEL code missing out.
Or maybe its a P2070, that mean loss of power due to a valve that is stick open, but if its that i heard that if i drive and rave like crazy a all day long maybe it could unstuck by itself.
Again i will wait for things the mech have to told me.

fuztupnz

iTrader: (4)

I'm going to say it one more time.

Since you don't trust the dealership, take it somewhere you trust. You're not going to find out what's wrong or if the gasket or UIM is the problem unless you take it a part.

Talking to the dealership and accusing them of lying isn't gonna get your car fixed.

JCR

Very true, but i will have to pay a 60$ again then ... to have it checked second time, kinda **** me off, i'll just go there tommorow and will force them to give me the info, trust me i will get what i want, they will probably do another CEL check in front of me and i will personnaly see the results.

fuztupnz

iTrader: (4)

Why do you think they're hiding a code?

Nothing says that if something is wrong, there will be a CEL.

RIWWP

iTrader: (2)

JCR, I have had the following problems with my 8 over the life of ownership:

- Cat failure, complete clog. Never got a CEL until it was ready to light my car on fire
- O2 sensor failure from the cat failure NEVER got a CEL. Just had to figure it out and replace and the issues resolved
- Coil failure, temporary random misfire CEL only that cleared after a few seconds
- Oil overflow into my intake, never got a CEL
- vacuum leak, never got a CEL
- Steering u-joint binding, never got a CEL
- water in my taillight, never got a CEL


you see where I am going with this?

The only time I have ever gotten a CEL was for when I left the MAF unplugged accidently and the gas cap 1 time after my wife filled up. I didn't even get a CEL when I put on a midpipe!

There are TONS of problems that never generate a CEL, and TONS of annoyances that aren't problems that will.


Don't put so much effort into the CEL itself unless you have one, and have the code, and it means something.

JCR

Mmmh so RIW, i will see at the dealer tommorow how they saw that my upper intake manifold was broken then i will decide to repair it, but if its only a CEL that point out the manifold and dont see any physical damage, then i guess it will probably only be the gasket.

Is this the right thing to do ?