First problem ever ! HELP
04-11-2011, 10:40 PM
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First problem ever ! HELP
Hi guys, yesterday i hit a raccoon and it screwed up all my front lip and plastic rad protector, also broke the grill and cracked the front bumper cover resulting in an estimation of a 1000$ new oem parts, but i decided to just buy another grill and an after market front lip on ebay, i also contacted my car body dealer and he can repair the front bumper and repaint it and assemble all the parts, front lip and front bumper cover and grill all together, and he assured me that it will look brand new, and i will pay 450$ for that.
OK here is the anomaly, i have a black rx8 gt 2004 with 93k kilometers.
I was driving it this morning and all was ok like it used to be, i went to the job then at the end of the day the temperature was 25c here and allot of humidity. So i started the engine, then waited 30 second, then i started to roll and rave 2.8k-3.3k to warm her up like i always do. I must precise something, my cell was on since a while and didn't had the time to go at the dealer to check it ( i don't have a cobb acc) well i seriously thought it was the damn gas cap, its a common cell issue. Well to continue my story i was stuck in the traffic and i was at optimal temp since a good 15 min of driving and then went to neutral waiting for a light to come green, my idle suddenly did some crazy things, it raved to 2.5k then 1k then 1.5k then normal... I suspected the temperature and i didn't changed the Preston in the rad since winter, i put up to -45 mixture, so thought i should change it for redline water wetter mixture for the summer but i have to order it online. After the idle problem my car was very slow like i never seen it, it was like running to rich and didn't had the acceleration i normally have, like he needed more i don't know what. I wanted to see if it was the temperature so i started it tonight at 10h30 pm with 10c and lower humidity and it was running find.
I must confess something, i didn't had the chance to change oil this month, i am very late like 2k miles...
So i was wondering guys :
1- Can it be the raccoon, that fucked up something under the car, i checked the rad and it was not leaking, my temp seems to be normal on the gauge.
2-Can it be the temperature along with the wrong mix of Preston ?
3- Or can it be the oil ? Never waited so long to change it, ITS VERY EXCEPTIONAL due to certain circumstances and problem i had with budget this last month.
4- Or maybe the check engine was important...
I'm driving my '8 to the dealer tomorrow for some test, and i will repair the bumper in about 2 weeks.
If you guys has already had something like that, more concerning about the idle, i must say that I'm stock, bumper to bumper. I know there is full of knowledge on this forum.
PLZ share
OK here is the anomaly, i have a black rx8 gt 2004 with 93k kilometers.
I was driving it this morning and all was ok like it used to be, i went to the job then at the end of the day the temperature was 25c here and allot of humidity. So i started the engine, then waited 30 second, then i started to roll and rave 2.8k-3.3k to warm her up like i always do. I must precise something, my cell was on since a while and didn't had the time to go at the dealer to check it ( i don't have a cobb acc) well i seriously thought it was the damn gas cap, its a common cell issue. Well to continue my story i was stuck in the traffic and i was at optimal temp since a good 15 min of driving and then went to neutral waiting for a light to come green, my idle suddenly did some crazy things, it raved to 2.5k then 1k then 1.5k then normal... I suspected the temperature and i didn't changed the Preston in the rad since winter, i put up to -45 mixture, so thought i should change it for redline water wetter mixture for the summer but i have to order it online. After the idle problem my car was very slow like i never seen it, it was like running to rich and didn't had the acceleration i normally have, like he needed more i don't know what. I wanted to see if it was the temperature so i started it tonight at 10h30 pm with 10c and lower humidity and it was running find.
I must confess something, i didn't had the chance to change oil this month, i am very late like 2k miles...
So i was wondering guys :
1- Can it be the raccoon, that fucked up something under the car, i checked the rad and it was not leaking, my temp seems to be normal on the gauge.
2-Can it be the temperature along with the wrong mix of Preston ?
3- Or can it be the oil ? Never waited so long to change it, ITS VERY EXCEPTIONAL due to certain circumstances and problem i had with budget this last month.
4- Or maybe the check engine was important...
I'm driving my '8 to the dealer tomorrow for some test, and i will repair the bumper in about 2 weeks.
If you guys has already had something like that, more concerning about the idle, i must say that I'm stock, bumper to bumper. I know there is full of knowledge on this forum.
PLZ share
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04-12-2011, 09:36 AM
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I would say that you should start with the CEL. Take it to the closest auto part store. Most of them will read it for free. If it's been on for a couple of days before the raccoon, it may not have anything to do with it.
04-12-2011, 09:47 AM
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Well the dealer wants to charge me 70$ for cell checking... so stupid.
I checked, and nobody wants to do it for free around where i live.
So I'll pay and will consider buying a cobb acc, lets hope there is nothing bad with the engine.
What do you think it could be, i droved her this morning to the dealer and temperature was cold, all was good, a bit of hesitating acceleration tho.
I checked, and nobody wants to do it for free around where i live.
So I'll pay and will consider buying a cobb acc, lets hope there is nothing bad with the engine.
What do you think it could be, i droved her this morning to the dealer and temperature was cold, all was good, a bit of hesitating acceleration tho.
04-12-2011, 10:21 AM
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It could be a number of things. Plugs, wires, coils, a clogged cat, an intake manifold issue, a dirty or bad maf, low compression, a dead engine, a vacuum leak, the list goes on.
You can start with plugs, wires and coils, but getting the CEL read will be cheaper. Have you changed them recently? If you haven't you may want to look into it.
This has happened to others. You posted in the Series 2 forum when you have an Series 1. Your post will probably get over looked. Also, there are tons of threads about similar issues. Check the Series 1 section. I'm sure you'll find some helpful information there.
You can start with plugs, wires and coils, but getting the CEL read will be cheaper. Have you changed them recently? If you haven't you may want to look into it.
This has happened to others. You posted in the Series 2 forum when you have an Series 1. Your post will probably get over looked. Also, there are tons of threads about similar issues. Check the Series 1 section. I'm sure you'll find some helpful information there.
04-12-2011, 10:45 AM
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Thanks Fuz, i'll have a look !
low compression or dead engine is something i don't think of, because it happened only once, this morning it was kind of normal, a bit of hesitation but no big deal, i am sure its the plugs, got 94k on my '8 and never been changed i think,
Lets see what the dealer will say.
I'll give them those hints.
low compression or dead engine is something i don't think of, because it happened only once, this morning it was kind of normal, a bit of hesitation but no big deal, i am sure its the plugs, got 94k on my '8 and never been changed i think,
Lets see what the dealer will say.
Plugs, wires, coils, a clogged cat, an intake manifold issue, a dirty or bad maf
04-12-2011, 11:38 AM
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**** the raccoon, he decided to cross the road when i was passing at 80km/h, like he wanted to suicide, they have no brain and stupidity leaded to his own death, i will buy something that you put on the bumper to make a ultrasonic sound that cause big fear to animals so they will not jump under my wheels/bumper.
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04-12-2011, 12:37 PM
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Alright guys, i thought of something, maybe its the raccoon, when he hit my front bumper and broke all the front lip, maybe he fucked something in the rad, because my idle problem happened only under high temperature traffic environment, and when i start the car it don't seems to have any idle problem once the car have optimal temperature, it stay at 800 rpm, but sometime it go rough, i think its the engine mounts.
Well i'm still waiting for the dealer to give me an answer so i can post what is my problem.
Well i'm still waiting for the dealer to give me an answer so i can post what is my problem.
04-12-2011, 12:51 PM
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JCR,
It's hard figuring out what all is connected to what. You are flooding us with symptoms and general environment info, but not really connecting what goes together with what.
What jumps out at me though:
- 98km on original plugs is BAD. I'm shocked the engine is still running. Even if the issue is something else, you need these replaced ASAP
- Chances are, the plug wires are also that old, in which case you need those replaced too
- Chances are, the coils have been replaced before, but they go bad every 30,000 miles or so (um, 45,000km?), and should be changed by then if they haven't failed before then already.
^ These 3 items can all cause bad idle, power loss, running rich, etc...
- Doing it for this long, you are probably also killing the catalytic converter, which could be compounding the problem of power loss.
- The rough idle could also be the motor mounts as you mention, though it would be unrelated to any other symptom.
If you have damage to the cooling system, you MAY have high temperature problems, but if the needle still hasn't been reading high, then this isn't the case here. Not that you should ignore radiator damage, but if you aren't seeing the needle climb, then it's not enough to cause problems this quickly.
Not changing the oil isn't inherently bad for the engine. It's certainly not healthy to let old oil get thrown around in there, but it won't cause any of the issues you are seeing. The only no-change issue is if you also aren't topping it off regularly, in which case being low on oil can just fry the engine, but not cause these issues. Change your oil, but it won't help your issues here.
It's also possible that you got a vacuum leak from the raccoon hitting a line or something, but they are notoriously hard to diagnose and figure out unless it's a gaping hole and obvious.
If no one around will read the CEL for free, and you don't have the funds for a COBB AP, then just get a code reader from the auto-parts store. I have seen them in the US for as cheap as $50 (USD). Even at the price from the dealer though, a code reader is a 1-time purchase for ALOT of use, where as the dealer will charge 1 fee for 1 read. Get the code and get back to us. I'd bet it's a misfire code.
It's hard figuring out what all is connected to what. You are flooding us with symptoms and general environment info, but not really connecting what goes together with what.
What jumps out at me though:
- 98km on original plugs is BAD. I'm shocked the engine is still running. Even if the issue is something else, you need these replaced ASAP
- Chances are, the plug wires are also that old, in which case you need those replaced too
- Chances are, the coils have been replaced before, but they go bad every 30,000 miles or so (um, 45,000km?), and should be changed by then if they haven't failed before then already.
^ These 3 items can all cause bad idle, power loss, running rich, etc...
- Doing it for this long, you are probably also killing the catalytic converter, which could be compounding the problem of power loss.
- The rough idle could also be the motor mounts as you mention, though it would be unrelated to any other symptom.
If you have damage to the cooling system, you MAY have high temperature problems, but if the needle still hasn't been reading high, then this isn't the case here. Not that you should ignore radiator damage, but if you aren't seeing the needle climb, then it's not enough to cause problems this quickly.
Not changing the oil isn't inherently bad for the engine. It's certainly not healthy to let old oil get thrown around in there, but it won't cause any of the issues you are seeing. The only no-change issue is if you also aren't topping it off regularly, in which case being low on oil can just fry the engine, but not cause these issues. Change your oil, but it won't help your issues here.
It's also possible that you got a vacuum leak from the raccoon hitting a line or something, but they are notoriously hard to diagnose and figure out unless it's a gaping hole and obvious.
If no one around will read the CEL for free, and you don't have the funds for a COBB AP, then just get a code reader from the auto-parts store. I have seen them in the US for as cheap as $50 (USD). Even at the price from the dealer though, a code reader is a 1-time purchase for ALOT of use, where as the dealer will charge 1 fee for 1 read. Get the code and get back to us. I'd bet it's a misfire code.
04-12-2011, 03:21 PM
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Good news guys ! Dealer just called me and he found that its the upper intake gasket that is leaking when its hot and humide outside, so they wanna charge me 900$ ... haha *** them il call my one of my friend in a little shop, he will do it no problem if its not too complicated.
Well thanks alot guys, btw the dealer will update my computer and they told me my cat was foggued so i bought a test pipe, spark and coil has been changed 2 years ago and coils are good for another 1 year and a half before i have to change them, they did an oil change and removed the front lip because he was a bit touching the ground.
So thanks all for the help !
Well thanks alot guys, btw the dealer will update my computer and they told me my cat was foggued so i bought a test pipe, spark and coil has been changed 2 years ago and coils are good for another 1 year and a half before i have to change them, they did an oil change and removed the front lip because he was a bit touching the ground.
So thanks all for the help !
04-12-2011, 05:24 PM
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OK here is the anomaly, i have a black rx8 gt 2004 with 93k kilometers.
Wrong forum....this is for series 2 2009~
Series II Tech & Performance (US 2009MY-)
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The upper intake manifold isn't too terrible if you're somewhat mechanically inclined, or have some help from someone who is.
Order new coils and replace them. There is no time frame (years) that they go bad. They sometimes last longer, but 20k to 30k is usually about all you'll get out of a set. I would consider going with the BHR ignition and not have to worry about them anymore.
Order new coils and replace them. There is no time frame (years) that they go bad. They sometimes last longer, but 20k to 30k is usually about all you'll get out of a set. I would consider going with the BHR ignition and not have to worry about them anymore.
04-12-2011, 09:17 PM
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Alright so how much do you think its worthing , Is 775+taxes a good price? Or its dealer bullshit ?
I will ask garage near home, i know them since a while maybe they can fix it for half of the price the dealer quoted me.
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The upper intake manifold isn't too terrible if you're somewhat mechanically inclined, or have some help from someone who is.
Order new coils and replace them. There is no time frame (years) that they go bad. They sometimes last longer, but 20k to 30k is usually about all you'll get out of a set. I would consider going with the BHR ignition and not have to worry about them anymore.
Order new coils and replace them. There is no time frame (years) that they go bad. They sometimes last longer, but 20k to 30k is usually about all you'll get out of a set. I would consider going with the BHR ignition and not have to worry about them anymore.
Alright i will try to read about how to change the upper intake gasket, and my mech will give me help for a couple of dollars i can maybe do it with him for 300$ just for the help and the time, but thing is... where do i buy the gasket from ?
Maybe i should open a thread on how to change the upper intake manifold gasket ... you tell me .
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https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...&highlight=UIM for how to get it off.
Check with the forum vendors here, or your local mazda dealer for the gasket.
If you search and look through the DIY section, you can find information on anything. Also, search around for the Service Manual. It's free to download and will be a big help.
Check with the forum vendors here, or your local mazda dealer for the gasket.
If you search and look through the DIY section, you can find information on anything. Also, search around for the Service Manual. It's free to download and will be a big help.
04-12-2011, 09:49 PM
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This thread --> https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...&highlight=UIM
is awsome !
thanks alot fuz, its really easy and the dealer was charging me over 700$ ... WTF
is awsome !
thanks alot fuz, its really easy and the dealer was charging me over 700$ ... WTF
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No problem. Just take your time when you do it. Rushing is how **** gets broken, misplaced and confused. Always mark connectors so there's no confusion when putting it back together.
Good luck.
Good luck.
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Thanks il mark connectors with little mermaid sticker XD, sister gave them to me for my birthday, it was hilarious.
I need a precision fuz, http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j...M/P1030300.jpg
is the red gasket the one i want to change ?
I need a precision fuz, http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j...M/P1030300.jpg
is the red gasket the one i want to change ?