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Old Mar 18, 2010 | 12:04 PM
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DSC / Traction Control Activating on Slow Turns

Now I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but I'd like some confirmation. My rears wheels are Volk LE37 19x9.5 with +45mm offset lowered on Tein S-Tech springs. I had Dunlop Direzza DZ101's in the rear (275/30/19) that I recently replaced with General Exclaim UHP's in the same size. I had no rubbing issues at all before replacing them, but the Direzzas were pretty worn on the inside tread.

The sidewall of the Generals "bulges" a little more and I think I'm rubbing a lot on slow banking turns (like a freeway interchange). It's activating the traction control (little light on dash is flashing) while making the groaning sound. This is caused by rubbing, right? I haven't changed alignment.

If the problem is rubbing, I can roll the fenders or adjust the camber. Any other suggestions short of replacing the tires?
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Old Mar 18, 2010 | 12:12 PM
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This is caused by tires sliding on the road surface.
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Old Mar 18, 2010 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy_E1
This is caused by tires sliding on the road surface.
Not that I'm doubting your expertise, but brand new tires with 300+ miles on them are sliding around at 10 - 20 mph? Do I need to smoke them to get some kind of protective coating off of them? Or maybe I need a new alignment?
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Old Mar 18, 2010 | 03:52 PM
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Bump for anyone else that may have this problem? I'm chalked the tires to see if I'm getting any rubbing.
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Old Mar 19, 2010 | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Napboy
Not that I'm doubting your expertise, but brand new tires with 300+ miles on them are sliding around at 10 - 20 mph? Do I need to smoke them to get some kind of protective coating off of them? Or maybe I need a new alignment?

At slow speed corners combined with low traction low quality asphalt your torsen differential is responsible on making you slide.
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Old Apr 27, 2010 | 06:14 AM
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I think I may have the answer and will reply and confirm later (when my tyres are changed)

I've had the same problem and I've spoken to 2 Mazda garages, a tyre dealer and a tuning garage. They all conclude the reason my TSC/DSC is triggering is because the tyres on the back are not the same make a model as front.

Sizes printed are identical but because of the different design, tread pattern and slight size variation (noraml with different make/models tyres the wheel at the back are spinning slightly slower than the front. Couple this with some corners and it's creeps outside the tolorances of the TCS/DSC and the system kicks in.

I thought this was crazy but i'm told the system is VERY sensitive and Mazda recommend having the same tyres all round I.E. if you want to switch make/model you do all 4.

I'm sure there are some combos that work fine but seems the combo I have doesn't. The dealer are changing the tryes so all 4 match as I type and I should be picking it up soon so I will let you know how it turns out.

Could be complete bollox in which case it's going to Mazda to be sorted....at the dealers expense
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Old Apr 28, 2010 | 02:32 AM
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Well I am surprised, but it was the tyres. The car now has 4 matching tyres and is working perfectly! What a fussy TCS system....mind if it keeps me out the hedge I don't mind
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Old Apr 29, 2010 | 01:44 AM
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measure the outside dia of front and rear tires.. they need to be equal..

beers
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Old Apr 29, 2010 | 03:41 AM
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Yup, that was the issue. Sorted now
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Old Apr 29, 2010 | 10:40 PM
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ahh............
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Old Apr 29, 2010 | 11:03 PM
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I had this happen when my tire pressure was too high. But this is a little different. I wasn't getting any rubbing or groaning. It was just on freeway interchanges and other swooping turns where the traction control just went nuts even if i was only going like 40 mph.

I took about 4 lbs out of each tire and it completely went away and i had much better grip
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Old Aug 8, 2010 | 07:37 PM
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I have 2 new tires on the back and older ones on the front I trigger the dsc in situations where I am driving the posted speed limit around turns. Thought the system was just sensitive but now I know. Cool, I will just have to burn up the rear tires so that I have an excuse to get new wheels and tires.
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