Clutch Pedal SNAP OFF 8 Year Warranty-Recall ~~~
10-10-2010, 08:11 PM
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Yes, if they (Mazda) said they would agree to the replacement of Clutch Brackets then they should.
BTW: A known US legend who re-builds does not like the Mazda recommended Oils.
10-11-2010, 03:40 AM
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10-11-2010, 07:06 AM
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BTW: I'm installing the Sohn adapter then switching to 0W30 or 5W30 synthetic in the pan and 2 stroke synthetic in the bottle
Hasn't the clutch pedal issue run out of steam yet?
Get a reinforcement bracket. it makes the stupid, weak *** pedal feel good....
Replacing the clutch pedal with another weak *** clutch pedal just delays the inevitable.
Last edited by DarkBrew; 10-13-2010 at 02:21 PM.
10-11-2010, 12:03 PM
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hey guys. I got in touch with Mazda about when to expect the clutch pedal program to start.
They will launch owner notifications by the middle to the end of next week – the first letters are scheduled to go in the mail by Wednesday the 20th. Owners should follow all instructions in the letter for inspection and repair or reimbursement for expenses incurred over repairs already performed.
Hope that helps calm some people's nerves
They will launch owner notifications by the middle to the end of next week – the first letters are scheduled to go in the mail by Wednesday the 20th. Owners should follow all instructions in the letter for inspection and repair or reimbursement for expenses incurred over repairs already performed.
Hope that helps calm some people's nerves
10-11-2010, 12:09 PM
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hey guys. I got in touch with Mazda about when to expect the clutch pedal program to start.
They will launch owner notifications by the middle to the end of next week – the first letters are scheduled to go in the mail by Wednesday the 20th. Owners should follow all instructions in the letter for inspection and repair or reimbursement for expenses incurred over repairs already performed.
Hope that helps calm some people's nerves
They will launch owner notifications by the middle to the end of next week – the first letters are scheduled to go in the mail by Wednesday the 20th. Owners should follow all instructions in the letter for inspection and repair or reimbursement for expenses incurred over repairs already performed.
Hope that helps calm some people's nerves
10-11-2010, 12:35 PM
#1006
hey guys. I got in touch with Mazda about when to expect the clutch pedal program to start.
They will launch owner notifications by the middle to the end of next week – the first letters are scheduled to go in the mail by Wednesday the 20th. Owners should follow all instructions in the letter for inspection and repair or reimbursement for expenses incurred over repairs already performed.
Hope that helps calm some people's nerves
They will launch owner notifications by the middle to the end of next week – the first letters are scheduled to go in the mail by Wednesday the 20th. Owners should follow all instructions in the letter for inspection and repair or reimbursement for expenses incurred over repairs already performed.
Hope that helps calm some people's nerves
100K miles ...
10-11-2010, 09:10 PM
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the Rx8's engine didn't screw up. what Mazda failed was the ECU programming.
if u really want to go in depth. Mazda actually did screw up in the FB/FC's engine and its powertrain. for example : S4 Wastegate issue remember? it caused some owners their turbo AND engine. What did Mazda do? Sorry you broke it.
At least now Mazda is willing to cover their engine up to 100K cuz they know their programming screwed up.
my visor is fine, 5 yrs.
Water in tail light, last replacement was 2 yrs ago and so far no issue.
Engine mount (WHAT MOTOR! ITS aN ENGINE DAMN IT!) again, newest mount is doing well.
Clutch pedal -- read zoom's previous post. our car is NOT alone.
not trying to defend this car, but its obvious that all car has their own problems.
Your 7 has no problem? do u own it from day one? I doubt that. the previous owner(s) might have had a lot of work, u just don't know it. new parts in, car sold to you. no issue.
if u really want to go in depth. Mazda actually did screw up in the FB/FC's engine and its powertrain. for example : S4 Wastegate issue remember? it caused some owners their turbo AND engine. What did Mazda do? Sorry you broke it.
At least now Mazda is willing to cover their engine up to 100K cuz they know their programming screwed up.
my visor is fine, 5 yrs.
Water in tail light, last replacement was 2 yrs ago and so far no issue.
Engine mount (WHAT MOTOR! ITS aN ENGINE DAMN IT!) again, newest mount is doing well.
Clutch pedal -- read zoom's previous post. our car is NOT alone.
not trying to defend this car, but its obvious that all car has their own problems.
Your 7 has no problem? do u own it from day one? I doubt that. the previous owner(s) might have had a lot of work, u just don't know it. new parts in, car sold to you. no issue.
I have had my RX7 for 22 years. I know it very well. Never a major or unusual issue.
10-11-2010, 09:13 PM
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Sports cars in the traditional sense require more owner involvement. And the dealer techs aren't what they use to be.
Clutch pedal - reinforce it.
Auto dim mirror - the rear wing blocks the sensor. Turn the mirror over and it works better.
Bad idle - motor mounts, Access Port, good maintenance
Sunroof - new version of side rails
Tail lights - new gaskets
Engine - warm it carefully, drive it hard.
This isn't an RX-7.
If it was it would have cost another $15K.
It would have required a turbo to make 230+ HP
You can bitch about it or you can involve yourself with the car, spend a small amount of money and enjoy the experience.
Clutch pedal - reinforce it.
Auto dim mirror - the rear wing blocks the sensor. Turn the mirror over and it works better.
Bad idle - motor mounts, Access Port, good maintenance
Sunroof - new version of side rails
Tail lights - new gaskets
Engine - warm it carefully, drive it hard.
This isn't an RX-7.
If it was it would have cost another $15K.
It would have required a turbo to make 230+ HP
You can bitch about it or you can involve yourself with the car, spend a small amount of money and enjoy the experience.
10-11-2010, 09:18 PM
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[quote=nycgps;3742833]the Rx8's engine didn't screw up. what Mazda failed was the ECU programming.
So if nothing is wrong with the engine design, and it's just the ECU programming, then why are people on their second or even third engine which have had the re-programming? Why are so many people saying you must premix or it will fail again?
So if nothing is wrong with the engine design, and it's just the ECU programming, then why are people on their second or even third engine which have had the re-programming? Why are so many people saying you must premix or it will fail again?
10-11-2010, 09:30 PM
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After reading ya'lls post back and forth with various issues I guess I must have gotten the 8 with no problems, or mabe I just maintain my car extremly well. I have a 04, no tail light issues, no sun roof issues, no dim mirror issues, clutch pedal no issues and I've checked the welds and are holding just fine and I know what to look for incase it does start to fail, red line almost every day driving to work and back and have no pressure issues, apex seals are holding out great.
Then again, I clean my car all the time, maintain all the weather stripping and rubber components, change my oil every 2k to 2.5k miles with royal purple synthetic 5-30 but soon will be switching to 10-40. I use full lubrication with every fill up and when I don't have it I run and grap a small bottle of some 2 stroke for premix until I can restock with a big bottle of lucas fuil lubricant, will be trying out Pettits Protekt this week when I'm in West Palm to pick some up, I've replaced my diff and trans fluid to royal purple gear oil. I've got 40k and my car has never been in the shop for any problem and runs great with only one exception.
The ignition coils that we all know fail, already addressed the issue before it became a problem with BHRs ignition set.
Lets face it, you might end up with a car with nothing but problems, it is built and designed by people. My father used to work for GM on assembly lines and let me tell you, people work when they are tired, sick, and sometimes when their head is way off in space, you might be the unlucky one who gets that car they wheren't paying attention to detail. I work in the health field and you have no idea the things that get missed when people are overworked or tired. My wife had a KIA and from day one it had problems, the dealer couldn't even figure out what was wronge and eventually just bought the car back and refunded her money. But not everyone has problems with their KIA even though I'm not a fan.
Same principle applies to any car, make, or model. The 8 is no exception. I've had so many people ask me, "do you have these problems with your rx8?" because they heard from someone that rotaries are unreliable pieces of junk that only run good for 20k miles before the apex seals fail. If you don't know how to maintain your vehicle, or know how to be proactive with issues then your gonna have problems. Things fail and wear, sometimes more quickly then they are supposed to but you can't account for every type of situation a machine is going to be used and abused.
It will be great if Mazda gets the extended warrenty out there, they will probably be the only car company that admits to messing up that badly with some of the known issues.
Gotta rap this up, have blood I have to run some test on, car problems are frustrating, but don't assume that particular car is a piece of junk, I constantly supprise people how well my car has been trouble free and runs great.
Then again, I clean my car all the time, maintain all the weather stripping and rubber components, change my oil every 2k to 2.5k miles with royal purple synthetic 5-30 but soon will be switching to 10-40. I use full lubrication with every fill up and when I don't have it I run and grap a small bottle of some 2 stroke for premix until I can restock with a big bottle of lucas fuil lubricant, will be trying out Pettits Protekt this week when I'm in West Palm to pick some up, I've replaced my diff and trans fluid to royal purple gear oil. I've got 40k and my car has never been in the shop for any problem and runs great with only one exception.
The ignition coils that we all know fail, already addressed the issue before it became a problem with BHRs ignition set.
Lets face it, you might end up with a car with nothing but problems, it is built and designed by people. My father used to work for GM on assembly lines and let me tell you, people work when they are tired, sick, and sometimes when their head is way off in space, you might be the unlucky one who gets that car they wheren't paying attention to detail. I work in the health field and you have no idea the things that get missed when people are overworked or tired. My wife had a KIA and from day one it had problems, the dealer couldn't even figure out what was wronge and eventually just bought the car back and refunded her money. But not everyone has problems with their KIA even though I'm not a fan.
Same principle applies to any car, make, or model. The 8 is no exception. I've had so many people ask me, "do you have these problems with your rx8?" because they heard from someone that rotaries are unreliable pieces of junk that only run good for 20k miles before the apex seals fail. If you don't know how to maintain your vehicle, or know how to be proactive with issues then your gonna have problems. Things fail and wear, sometimes more quickly then they are supposed to but you can't account for every type of situation a machine is going to be used and abused.
It will be great if Mazda gets the extended warrenty out there, they will probably be the only car company that admits to messing up that badly with some of the known issues.
Gotta rap this up, have blood I have to run some test on, car problems are frustrating, but don't assume that particular car is a piece of junk, I constantly supprise people how well my car has been trouble free and runs great.
I maintain my car just fine thanks. My friends call me obsessive about my car.
And if you look on this website on every issue I named (except the trunk latch which must be exclusively me) there are lots of people with all these issues. Maybe you don't have an '04. Maybe you'll somehow never have these issues. Or maybe a storm is about to hit. Believe me, I don't wish that on anyone. And in my list of problems, I didn't even mention the fact of Mazda selling the car with a battery and a starter that needs an upgrade. Even my mechanic at the dealership admits to this. I just have to keep saying, what was Mazda thinking?
10-12-2010, 04:34 AM
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you're wrong. Cuz BITOG ppl said so.
See? Its opposite. it doesn't matter if our engine is different. it doesn't matter most of our parts are the same as 25 something yrs ago except that the power output is significantly higher than 25 yrs ago. it doesn't matter if the older rotary engine use xxw40/50 oil and it works perfectly fine. it doesn't matter if people like Paul @ Mazmart who probably see Rotary Engine apart than 90% of us combine in our life time its better to use 10w40 or more. nothing matters. you get more damage for using xxw40/50 oil now. You just do. cuz BITOG
ok, Im done, go back to clutch pedal.
See? Its opposite. it doesn't matter if our engine is different. it doesn't matter most of our parts are the same as 25 something yrs ago except that the power output is significantly higher than 25 yrs ago. it doesn't matter if the older rotary engine use xxw40/50 oil and it works perfectly fine. it doesn't matter if people like Paul @ Mazmart who probably see Rotary Engine apart than 90% of us combine in our life time its better to use 10w40 or more. nothing matters. you get more damage for using xxw40/50 oil now. You just do. cuz BITOG
ok, Im done, go back to clutch pedal.
Some more "trivia" for you Jackson.
Even the Ring Gear on OEM RX-8's Flywheel is 25 Years Old..
Exact same part N318-11-502A, originated from 1985 FC RX-7, and used on ALL FD's and ALL RX-8's including S2's..
No the RENESIS has nothing in common with the FC.
10-12-2010, 06:09 AM
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Mines an 04, out of warranty, but some of my issues were taken care of by Mazda. Others I've taken of myself. I stay way clear of the dealers now.
The point I was making was about my attitude toward my car.
We have an excellent community here and a very enjoyable sports car.
Think 60's sports car culture and the RX8 will seem reliable
Last edited by DarkBrew; 10-12-2010 at 06:13 AM.
10-12-2010, 03:12 PM
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I maintain my car just fine thanks. My friends call me obsessive about my car.
And if you look on this website on every issue I named (except the trunk latch which must be exclusively me) there are lots of people with all these issues. Maybe you don't have an '04. Maybe you'll somehow never have these issues. Or maybe a storm is about to hit. Believe me, I don't wish that on anyone. And in my list of problems, I didn't even mention the fact of Mazda selling the car with a battery and a starter that needs an upgrade. Even my mechanic at the dealership admits to this. I just have to keep saying, what was Mazda thinking?
And if you look on this website on every issue I named (except the trunk latch which must be exclusively me) there are lots of people with all these issues. Maybe you don't have an '04. Maybe you'll somehow never have these issues. Or maybe a storm is about to hit. Believe me, I don't wish that on anyone. And in my list of problems, I didn't even mention the fact of Mazda selling the car with a battery and a starter that needs an upgrade. Even my mechanic at the dealership admits to this. I just have to keep saying, what was Mazda thinking?
The FC RX-7 does not even come close to the overall engineering sophistication of the 8, sorry but a fact.
At the price you paid for the RX-8 it is fantastic value, look what the FD cost, because it had a Turbo..that is all. The 8 has a lot more IN it than the FD.
Yeah, and Mazda are replacing turbo's in their CX-7 too..AND?..
You have a First MY production, Don't buy any first year production car, THEY ALL HAVE ISSUES..Including FC and FD...some you never hear about, when it does not concern your car.
Some owners don't even know HOW to starts a car properly, they keep turning and turning the starter to fire it up, when New Spark Plugs may be needed, etc, etc.
But hey it is Mazda's fault...my other car did not do it...Blah..Blah Blah.
As I said look at my sig, After 8 years in Europe Mazda are at No 4, they have also been 1 and 2 up to 4 years..these numbers include the RX-8.
NO CAR COMPANY can achieve 100% Customer satisfaction and reliability.
And yeah, my neighbours 15 year old Lada has not had a thing go wrong with it with over 300,000 miles. But it is not safe, won't brake, uncomfortable, noisy, ugly. Blah Blah Blah.
Peace
10-12-2010, 03:32 PM
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[QUOTE=pianoman-1;3745165]
Not talking for Jackson, But he is correct and half way there and He knows the main reasons why and has said so before...
You can't expect every member here to repeat Everything the same.
The No1, Main issue is Apex Seal lubrication.
Series 1's, Mazda took away the Direct Injection of engine oil to the Middle of Apex Seal, after doing this since the FC.
They obviously thought and engineered the two outer Oil Nozzles would suffice and also keep corner seals cooler and lubed.
IMO the original style stepper MOP would not cope with 6 direct oil Nozzles.
The ECU was re-flashed to increase MOP volumes, but it is still not enough and creates Emission issues (officially).
So in S2's they designed an all new set up with oil fed by the engines Oil Pump to the two EMOP's , and yes they re-installed the middle Oil Injector.
So yes, pre-mixing is a Must in S1's, I said this 5 years ago and was flamed by "experts" here.
If you know Mazda's history, you get to know what works and what does not.
Yes, I am annoyed that Mazda took this direction with the S1, but, in the end the RX-8 had Ford controlling it, which lead to compromises.
I personally are still not that keen on side exhaust porting, BUT, without it you would never see any RX-8 or future RX~.
the Rx8's engine didn't screw up. what Mazda failed was the ECU programming.
So if nothing is wrong with the engine design, and it's just the ECU programming, then why are people on their second or even third engine which have had the re-programming? Why are so many people saying you must premix or it will fail again?
So if nothing is wrong with the engine design, and it's just the ECU programming, then why are people on their second or even third engine which have had the re-programming? Why are so many people saying you must premix or it will fail again?
You can't expect every member here to repeat Everything the same.
The No1, Main issue is Apex Seal lubrication.
Series 1's, Mazda took away the Direct Injection of engine oil to the Middle of Apex Seal, after doing this since the FC.
They obviously thought and engineered the two outer Oil Nozzles would suffice and also keep corner seals cooler and lubed.
IMO the original style stepper MOP would not cope with 6 direct oil Nozzles.
The ECU was re-flashed to increase MOP volumes, but it is still not enough and creates Emission issues (officially).
So in S2's they designed an all new set up with oil fed by the engines Oil Pump to the two EMOP's , and yes they re-installed the middle Oil Injector.
So yes, pre-mixing is a Must in S1's, I said this 5 years ago and was flamed by "experts" here.
If you know Mazda's history, you get to know what works and what does not.
Yes, I am annoyed that Mazda took this direction with the S1, but, in the end the RX-8 had Ford controlling it, which lead to compromises.
I personally are still not that keen on side exhaust porting, BUT, without it you would never see any RX-8 or future RX~.
10-12-2010, 03:47 PM
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+ I don't think its normal. but it could happen, this is what bumper to bumper warranty is for.
My car has like a page of "history" and its all warranty repairs. Even the guys at Wayne was like "Whoa, thats a long list of history"
I won't say my car has no issue at all but its all being take cared of under warranty. and no problems ever since (mostly) so im happy.
The engine with the newest flash from Mazda and Assume its build "right" from the factory would last at least 100K miles.
notice the "build right" part.
I maintain my car just fine thanks. My friends call me obsessive about my car.
And if you look on this website on every issue I named (except the trunk latch which must be exclusively me) there are lots of people with all these issues. Maybe you don't have an '04. Maybe you'll somehow never have these issues. Or maybe a storm is about to hit. Believe me, I don't wish that on anyone. And in my list of problems, I didn't even mention the fact of Mazda selling the car with a battery and a starter that needs an upgrade. Even my mechanic at the dealership admits to this. I just have to keep saying, what was Mazda thinking?
And if you look on this website on every issue I named (except the trunk latch which must be exclusively me) there are lots of people with all these issues. Maybe you don't have an '04. Maybe you'll somehow never have these issues. Or maybe a storm is about to hit. Believe me, I don't wish that on anyone. And in my list of problems, I didn't even mention the fact of Mazda selling the car with a battery and a starter that needs an upgrade. Even my mechanic at the dealership admits to this. I just have to keep saying, what was Mazda thinking?
At least this is not something very life threatening. Want to try Ford and Firestone? They knew those problems long time ago (plus all other issues they have with their pos cars) but they choose not to say anything until someone hurt from it.
Original starter and battery works fine for warm climate. not so great for cold. Thats all.
10-12-2010, 04:53 PM
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Spot on Jackson....
Generally in all my years Mazda are very good to excellent with their customers..here in Australia they are..
Sure, you can't help Private Dealers and or their Staff, miscommunication and the lack of staff reading TSB's and any Bulletins and their comprehension can create issues.
And you will always get "intermittent" problems that an owner perceives or feels and a dealer cant replicate while car is in for Service., probably one of the main issues of frustration for all.
Generally in all my years Mazda are very good to excellent with their customers..here in Australia they are..
Sure, you can't help Private Dealers and or their Staff, miscommunication and the lack of staff reading TSB's and any Bulletins and their comprehension can create issues.
And you will always get "intermittent" problems that an owner perceives or feels and a dealer cant replicate while car is in for Service., probably one of the main issues of frustration for all.
10-13-2010, 02:14 PM
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Wow... Isn't this thread about the clutch pedal?
Give the dealers time to work the business end out with Mazda. It takes time to negotiate with all the players involved in an international dealer association and get all the legal forms approved. Eventually the weak *** clutch pedal will be covered by warranty.
Give the dealers time to work the business end out with Mazda. It takes time to negotiate with all the players involved in an international dealer association and get all the legal forms approved. Eventually the weak *** clutch pedal will be covered by warranty.
Last edited by DarkBrew; 10-13-2010 at 02:19 PM.
10-13-2010, 03:55 PM
#1019
hey guys. I got in touch with Mazda about when to expect the clutch pedal program to start.
They will launch owner notifications by the middle to the end of next week – the first letters are scheduled to go in the mail by Wednesday the 20th. Owners should follow all instructions in the letter for inspection and repair or reimbursement for expenses incurred over repairs already performed.
Hope that helps calm some people's nerves
They will launch owner notifications by the middle to the end of next week – the first letters are scheduled to go in the mail by Wednesday the 20th. Owners should follow all instructions in the letter for inspection and repair or reimbursement for expenses incurred over repairs already performed.
Hope that helps calm some people's nerves
great news, remaining hopeful this will work out
10-14-2010, 08:35 AM
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Na, I heard they were going to give owners a Brand New replacement RX-8 R3..
10-14-2010, 09:18 AM
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