CEL for Butterfly valves - / driving pedal position - Sensor A
02-03-2009, 06:12 AM
#51
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02-03-2009, 06:18 AM
#52
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No luck. I swapped out wth the EGI and the same fault came back. I find it really hard to believe that I have either 2 bad TB or 2 bad pedals. This isn't making any sense. The parts from Gr3ddy look in good shape, but then again - so do mine. Its a damn electrical thing somewhere. I await any further guidance you may have. 
Thanks Jon.
Thanks Jon.
02-03-2009, 06:18 AM
#53
The EGI is the main relay, which is in the same circuit as the ETV.
I would like to keep the fuel relay in place in case it is a bad relay (don't want to put a bad relay in the fuel).
I'm trying to find what the circuit relay is associated with, but I'm leaning towards that one.
I would like to keep the fuel relay in place in case it is a bad relay (don't want to put a bad relay in the fuel).
I'm trying to find what the circuit relay is associated with, but I'm leaning towards that one.
02-03-2009, 06:32 AM
#55
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hopefully this is good news.....
When I swap the ETV relay with the Circuit relay I am still getting a fault but here is the the part that I think may be good news.
My scanner can not read or clear the code with the relays swapped out. After I switch them back it can read the code and clear the CEL
Could this indicate a bad relay? I know - now I am reaching..
mkztg
When I swap the ETV relay with the Circuit relay I am still getting a fault but here is the the part that I think may be good news.
My scanner can not read or clear the code with the relays swapped out. After I switch them back it can read the code and clear the CEL
Could this indicate a bad relay? I know - now I am reaching..
mkztg
02-03-2009, 06:38 AM
#58
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I tell you what - by the end of this - I will know so much more about my car.. this is almost worth the trouble... ummm... no.. I would just like to figure this out.
Please, if you think of anything else to try let me know. Short of going to the Mazda dealer 30 miles away and hoping they have the relay - and can understand what I am asking for - I just don't know what else to do.
There aren't 'junk yards' that I can find in this part of Germany. If there were I am sure it would have lots of BMWs and very few, if any RX8s.
mkztg
Please, if you think of anything else to try let me know. Short of going to the Mazda dealer 30 miles away and hoping they have the relay - and can understand what I am asking for - I just don't know what else to do.
There aren't 'junk yards' that I can find in this part of Germany. If there were I am sure it would have lots of BMWs and very few, if any RX8s.
mkztg
02-03-2009, 06:42 AM
#60
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Swapping the two relays allows the car to start up and run normal - same as if I has just pulled the connector on the TB to get the car running. The CEL is still present.
If I turn off the car - the DSC/TCS dash light comes back on (this is how I know very quickly that my car won't got over 10 mph).
Prior to swapping the relays I could clear the CEL with my scanner. With the relays swapped it won't connect to the PCM to clear the CEL or read the codes. The scanner tells me to make sure the car is in the ON position.... and it is running.
mkztg
If I turn off the car - the DSC/TCS dash light comes back on (this is how I know very quickly that my car won't got over 10 mph).
Prior to swapping the relays I could clear the CEL with my scanner. With the relays swapped it won't connect to the PCM to clear the CEL or read the codes. The scanner tells me to make sure the car is in the ON position.... and it is running.
mkztg
02-03-2009, 06:46 AM
#61
This is my 2nd time going through the entire electrical section of the shop manual trying to find this stupid circuit relay to see what is associated with it.
Lets say its a bad relay and you now have it in the circuit relay's area, I don't know how a bad relay will affect THAT circuit.
We are about at the point where you should try a new relay and see what happens.
I'll still look for that circuit relay (it has become personal now)
Lets say its a bad relay and you now have it in the circuit relay's area, I don't know how a bad relay will affect THAT circuit.
We are about at the point where you should try a new relay and see what happens.
I'll still look for that circuit relay (it has become personal now
)
02-03-2009, 07:00 AM
#63
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Jon,
The Circuit relay ACTS like it sits in between the scanner maintenance port and the PCM... If that is the case and the relay is bad...
I think you see where I'm going with this.. I hope it is just a bad relay and hopefully I can get one from the local shop. If not I may have to ask Gr3ddy for some more help.
mkztg
Thank you very much for your help. I will go into a local car shop (the guy speaks good English) and see what he can to to help me. He probably won't have the part on hand but he should be able to get the right part for me within a day.
I will update you all as I know more. In the meantime - let me know if you think of anything to try.. Thanks!!!
The Circuit relay ACTS like it sits in between the scanner maintenance port and the PCM... If that is the case and the relay is bad...
I think you see where I'm going with this.. I hope it is just a bad relay and hopefully I can get one from the local shop. If not I may have to ask Gr3ddy for some more help.
mkztg
Thank you very much for your help. I will go into a local car shop (the guy speaks good English) and see what he can to to help me. He probably won't have the part on hand but he should be able to get the right part for me within a day.
I will update you all as I know more. In the meantime - let me know if you think of anything to try.. Thanks!!!
This is my 2nd time going through the entire electrical section of the shop manual trying to find this stupid circuit relay to see what is associated with it.
Lets say its a bad relay and you now have it in the circuit relay's area, I don't know how a bad relay will affect THAT circuit.
We are about at the point where you should try a new relay and see what happens.
I'll still look for that circuit relay (it has become personal now)
Lets say its a bad relay and you now have it in the circuit relay's area, I don't know how a bad relay will affect THAT circuit.
We are about at the point where you should try a new relay and see what happens.
I'll still look for that circuit relay (it has become personal now
)
02-03-2009, 07:01 AM
#64
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No it is not throwing any code. I can clear the CEL (when the 'good' relay is in the Circuit slot) and there won't be any codes until I shut off the car. Once I shut off the car, the P2109 comes back and throws the CEL and the only way to clear the P2109 is to shut off the car, pull the electrical connector from the TB and put it back on or do it the new way - pull the ETV relay and put it back in.
Last edited by mkztg; 02-10-2009 at 01:38 AM.
02-03-2009, 08:29 AM
#66
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Jon,
I was looking over some of the CEL codes.. the ETV relay - the drive by wire relay - is the P2101 code. This code is P2109. Both of them say, "problem ON 1 CCM " Any idea what the 1CCM is? Could that be a source of the problem? Again, I am reaching at straws.
mkztg
I was looking over some of the CEL codes.. the ETV relay - the drive by wire relay - is the P2101 code. This code is P2109. Both of them say, "problem ON 1 CCM " Any idea what the 1CCM is? Could that be a source of the problem? Again, I am reaching at straws.
mkztg
02-03-2009, 10:03 AM
#69
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What a potential nightmare. 
I went to the local auto shop off post and explained all of the troublshooting we did. I pulled the ETV relay and he wrote down the part number off of it (AJ51, Denso, 156700-2560). He said he should probably be able to get it by tomorrow afternoon but no promises. Hopefully he is able to find one.
I will know more this time tomorrow. I hope to have good news.
mkztg
I went to the local auto shop off post and explained all of the troublshooting we did. I pulled the ETV relay and he wrote down the part number off of it (AJ51, Denso, 156700-2560). He said he should probably be able to get it by tomorrow afternoon but no promises. Hopefully he is able to find one.
I will know more this time tomorrow. I hope to have good news.
mkztg
02-03-2009, 11:11 PM
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They 'look' the same...
I hadn't thought to verify that they were the same p/n either. I will check that today. I would assume that they are the same part number but you know what assuming does..
I will keep you posted.
mkztg
I hadn't thought to verify that they were the same p/n either. I will check that today. I would assume that they are the same part number but you know what assuming does..
I will keep you posted.
mkztg
02-04-2009, 01:40 PM
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Update: it isn't much. The local shop couldn't get a relay for me today. I thought he was going to check with the Mazda dealer in another town but he said he will try that tomorrow.
Germany and customer service.. its like oil and water.
The guy is helpful just doesn't 'go the extra mile'. Hopefully I will know more tomorrow.
Germany and customer service.. its like oil and water.
The guy is helpful just doesn't 'go the extra mile'. Hopefully I will know more tomorrow.
Last edited by mkztg; 02-04-2009 at 01:48 PM.
02-04-2009, 01:51 PM
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I have seen a few here on post but I don't know any of them. I would just think it would be a little wierd to come up to a stranger and ask to borrow a relay from their car.
I guess it can't hurt. I saw one parked near the building I work in today. Maybe I can find out who owns it and ask anyway. The worst that could happen is I get a screw off look.
mkztg
I guess it can't hurt. I saw one parked near the building I work in today. Maybe I can find out who owns it and ask anyway. The worst that could happen is I get a screw off look.
mkztg