Detrich

hope you guys get the problem fixed soon... this has been an entertaining thread...

Razz1

Usually hard to start car without your install would be...
CAT
Starter
Fuel pump
Gas cap vapor lock

Just double check the install.
then consider the above and talk with Ray

volcomx31

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bse50

To the OP:
I've seen this happen a couple of times and it usually turned out to be a low compression issue masked (don't ask me how ) by the old stock coils.
In other circumstances resetting the eccentric shaft position sensor worked just fine.

Did your car have hot starting issues (even just a delay) before installing the kit?
What i don't get because it probably got lost in all the bullshit that some other members added is: Do you get spark when you crank the car when hot? That really helps determining if it is a kit problem or just some another thing made evident by the coil change. I'm pretty damn sure that you get spark there
How are your battery and starter? That's another thing to consider.

I'm pretty damn sure that Charles will sort things out better than me though so i'm pretty much sure that calling him will probably lead to a good resolution. Unfortunately your thread lost all of its utility because of some rude members.

mike[piston eater]

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this thread is full of win :]

faith&firepower

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Steak sauce!

czar

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I think I missed some drama, whats with the BHR bashing? Charles help me with my ignition issues even though I no longer own the ignition due to financial issue, they are still working away on a turbo rx8 here in austin and hasn't given him any issues either.

batangisip89

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Thanks to everyone who chimed in to help, i will contact the dealership from which i bought the car from and try to utilize their 2 yr motor/drive train warrenty... given they are not a mazda dealership ill just have to wait and see what they instruct me to do to see if low
compression is the issue.

MazdaManiac

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Does your car have less than 100,000 miles on it?
If so, the Mazda OEM warranty still stands.

batangisip89

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Yes it has approx 68k...

so this warranty is valid for all 8's just as long as they are <100k?
If i do, do it through mazda what would i tell them to ensure i would be eligible to get a reman. motor... do you think ill have to put the oem exhaust back on?

do you have any links for this info so that i can read up on it?

thanks MM

MazdaManiac

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There are a bunch of posts about that on this forum. I'd have to search for them, so try that yourself first - I'm sure you will get some useful hits.
You would go through Mazda and they may or may not make you jump through hoops to get it. But I'd say its worth the effort for a free motor.

The warranty is extended to ALL RX-8s, regardless of ownership, for 100,000 miles and a grip of years (I don't remember how long).
I would put the OE exhaust back on. I'd also try to get as much service information about the car as possible ahead of going in.

Race Roots

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I would go completely stock if you could, less chance of them having a reason to deny your warranty.

Some dealers are ok with certain mods on the car others are not, better safe than sorry.

Jedi54

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you can go to any mazda dealership and tell them you have a "loss of power" and car will not start when hot.
they'll know what to do from there.


only thing I woudl be cautios of is that they might ask you for service records. Cross that bridge when you get there.

batangisip89

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Thanks for the replies guys...

ill make my first move after i get all the OE parts back on thank God i ddnt sell them!!!

yea those service records hopefully are not going to get me into a sticky situation... because i basically have none except for the MSP16 reflash a while ago... i do all the maintenance on the car myself and i change oil regularly...

MazdaManiac

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Well, "generate" a service record for yourself.
A nice, professional looking log with any receipts you might be able to get/recreate will help.
The previous owner might have used Mazda service while they had the car, so those records will be in the Mazda database.

Huey52

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^... and bring along the TSB. I always do (the few times I've needed to) and it just makes things easier.

Nubo

Just as a suggestion, no matter how many times you may have reviewed the firing order, check it again if you're having starting issues with this ignition. This was my problem; I'd swapped L2 and T2. I was having delayed starts, though not every time. Once running, things seemed fairly normal. I guess the trailing plug firing too soon to do anything, and the leading plug being retarded, I was somewhat down on power but it wasn't really noticeable. Not until I corrected the order. Then - WOW. I guess my old weak stuff was at about the same level as BHR ignition with 1 reversed rotor.

Anyway, you probably don't have the same stupid-gene as me, but I'd say it's worth a re-check, INCLUDING verifying the order of harness connection. I must have looked at things 3 times before it clicked.

batangisip89

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I will deffinitly check that... couldent hurt...right?!

hopefully the snow clears soon...

Brettus

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fair enough . I was surprised that the ban stick didn't come out myself .

bse50

Nevermind, you're just getting old
That combination (dead battery and\or weak starter) may easily lead to long starting times.
Hot engines have a lower compression than they do when they are cold so a weak starter may just be too slow to crank it up. This doesn't mean that you have to replace your engine anytime soon, maybe it's just on the lower side of the specs.
With a weak battery you may just not have enough voltage to spin the starter and fire those coils well. I don't know if it is because those coils require more electricity than the stock ones during start up and the only thing i know about electricity is that i have to stay clear from the electric outlets at home or my mother will beat me

Charles probably doesn't remember this but when he shipped me one of the very first ignition set-ups i had your same problem. He sent a new set of wires thinking that i may have broken a terminal during the install after I gave him a lot of headaches because after the start-up the car was running perfect.
I simply bought a new battery and called it a day since mine was dropping to around 11v when starting.
Problem solved, in my case. I did the same with another car or two

You should ask a mazda dealer to check if your car had those TSBs performed. You can test your battery with a voltmeter in like 20 seconds

Hope this helps!

wcs

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sigh.
I liked this thread better before.

Huey52

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That particular TSB is now null and void as I presume Mazda figured the bumper-to-bumper warranty was expired on the target '04 and early '05 models and folks had enough time to take advantage of the free offer. Alas some original owners were clueless of this TSB and TSB's in general and now new-to-you owners are having to foot the bill.

Mazurfer

My only issue with this thread was I saw it deteriorating into the ole Vegas vs. Az thing again and was counter-productive to solving this guys issue. That's why I said........IBTL. I didn't think the ban stick would emerge, but thought for sure it would get locked.
Anyway, we all know that the first thing some of us tend to jump on with threads leading up to ones like this is to change the plugs, wires, and coils. This naturally leads to people saying...."get the BHR ignition system" (which of course is a very good and proved solution, backed up by the whole BHR team), but it's obviously isn't the cure all if the car has other underlying issues. This then leads to threads like this where Ray and the guys end up having to defend the solution, get dragged further into helping debug other unrelated issues with the car, and correcting mis-conceptions.

But, that's just my two cents........and WTF do I know.........carry on.


Oh............Jeff, FYI.........the 100k warranty is for 8 years.

robrecht

Interesting, but I would bet Charles looked into this. One of my earliest memories was being told in no uncertain terms NOT to cut the cords of plugged-in lamps, no matter how scary cool the flash was.

Mazurfer

Grade School...........we used to short out the outlets in the back of the class with a paperclip when nobody was looking(so that the breaker would trip) and we'd get to go outside for a few minutes while maintenance was called! They never did catch us, but there were quite a few burnt electrical outlets. They never did figure out what was causing them to short out!