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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 08:01 AM
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RX8 turbo reliability

Installing a GReddy turbo kit on a Renesis motor, (now the question) the original design of this motor, does it allow for a turbo without sacrificing reliability?

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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 08:06 AM
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when you add FI to any N/A engine you will always lose some reliability because of the added strain on the engine, doesnt matter if its a rotary, big 8, or a small inline 4.
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 09:04 AM
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You might want to add an extra Dowel or 2 to 2 corners to strengthen the housing.
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 09:26 AM
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not to sure about how necessary the greddy oil pan(besides being convient) is but things I'd make sure is both the bov and something to tune the car. I personally like the cobb that mm has.
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 09:29 AM
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The added heat of operation with a FI system is the most detrimental item to engine reliability, therefore the larger capacity Greddy oil pan is a good thing.
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 09:41 AM
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I seem to recall that the greddy oil pan has about a half quart more oil than stock.
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 09:49 AM
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^ Exactly. Its larger capacity and thick walled [heat sink] construction effectively serves as a secondary oil cooler, promoting reliability in FI applications.
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 11:49 AM
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What sheds heat quicker, an aluminum engine block or an aluminum beer can?
Which one contains more beer?
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 01:07 PM
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water temp and oil temp gauges for those hot days in summer are nice to ^_^
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 01:38 PM
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Maybe outside the scope of your question but a good read nevertheless ....

https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-major-horsepower-upgrades-93/how-make-your-renesis-turbo-sc-engine-last-187240/
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 01:36 AM
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I can haz turbo?
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 06:10 AM
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The thin walled beer can obviously doesn't have the thermal insulating mass of the aluminum engine block or Greddy oil pan, so its instantaneous heat transfer is more rapid. However (you knew there was going to be a however), the large mass of the block/pan has a far better sustained heat sink transfer rate, promoting reliability.

You can only rent beer. For the long haul oil is far better.

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What sheds heat quicker, an aluminum engine block or an aluminum beer can?
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by alz0rz
I can haz turbo?
compraaationZ t00 l0Wz ?
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by nycgps
compraaationZ t00 l0Wz ?
i have reason to believe the tester was faulty even more now.. I won't know for sure until we try it on a known good motor.... like hmm.. YOURS!!!!? that you barely had on for 2-3months?!!!!
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 11:26 AM
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^ Confusing beer can 'insulation' with thermal mass sink heat dissipation. Beer in a can in ambient air starts out cold ("instantaneous measurement") but is quickly a heat absorber. Heat moves to cold.

Example: old style heavy iron radiators in the home are still the best for efficient heat transfer; hot water or steam transferring that heat to room air.

Example 2: radiators in cars are not as heavy, but rather rely on their much larger multi-finned aggregate surface area.

The Greddy oil pan under discussion relies on dense thermal mass and larger volume to transfer this heat on a continuous basis. As we know it takes quite some time to heat the oil (thermal inertia), but once hot it needs to transfer that heat efficiently and for a prolonged period to protect the engine's components, and therefore provide best reliability.

Heat is the enemy and is exacerbated by FI applications.

WTF, I'm supporting BHR's recommendations.

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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 12:37 PM
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Removing that clamp and hose every time you change your oil is a hassle .
pales to insignificance when you have pulled the engine a few times which many turbo owners will end up doing LOL .....
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Which one contains more beer?
hmmm..so adding a can and a half of beer to my oil will keep it cool? sweet!


Actually, I've had no problems with heat on my setup. So no need to waste beer!
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 01:58 PM
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I was responding to this BHR recommendation, with which I agree.

Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
The GReddy Turbo Kit will work fine with the Renesis provided it is tuned properly and your potential reliability is improved if you get a few add-ons, such as the GReddy Oil Pan and a BOV (both of which should have been included in the kit anyway). Should you decide to get some sort of "upgraded" turbo you will then want to consider further ancillaries.
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Old Jan 21, 2010 | 11:38 PM
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If I could make a comment without stepping on anyone's toes, race roots has a beautifully designed oil pan. added oil capacity without the depth of greddy's george foreman grill.... secondly, the drain bung is in the rear

seems worth the extra loot for the race roots pan.

and per op's question, FI is only as good as the tune, say bye to "9000 rpm" revs you're used to with NA.
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 07:04 AM
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I don't care anymore either, and I thought it was a discussion.

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That was why I didn't bother with continuing the argument, Huey.
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 07:59 AM
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Yes, that Race Roots oil pan is very nice:

http://raceroots.com/index.php/produ...y-oil-pan.html

Almost double the capacity, yet only 1/4" lower. Nice baffles too, to help prevent G-loaded oil starvation. Only thing better is a dry sump system.

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If I could make a comment without stepping on anyone's toes, race roots has a beautifully designed oil pan. added oil capacity without the depth of greddy's george foreman grill.... secondly, the drain bung is in the rear

seems worth the extra loot for the race roots pan.

and per op's question, FI is only as good as the tune, say bye to "9000 rpm" revs you're used to with NA.
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 11:34 AM
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It's a high compression motor and not designed for a turbo.

Check around you will find that a lower compression motor is best.

You will also generate alot more heat which is a problem.

I think the longest I have seen a turbo last is 50k miles and I'm not sure about that.

I have never seen anyone post.... Here's my turbo RX8 that lasted 100k miles after the install.
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Huey52
Yes, that Race Roots oil pan ...
Almost double the capacity,
And you want to lug around an extra 9 pounds of oil for what reason, exactly?

Originally Posted by Huey52
yet only 1/4" lower.
Which would put it squarely into just about every speed bump in Phoenix and Vegas.

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Nice baffles too, to help prevent G-loaded oil starvation.
We don't have "g-loaded" oil starvation on the rotary.

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It's a high compression motor and not designed for a turbo.
Wrong.

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Check around you will find that a lower compression motor is best.
Wrong.

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You will also generate alot more heat which is a problem.
Still wrong.

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I think the longest I have seen a turbo last is 50k miles and I'm not sure about that.
Indeed, still completely wrong.
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 07:25 PM
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^ahahaha win
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 07:28 PM
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MAn are u funny MM

Doesn't generate more heat.
And still no proof of a turbo over 50k on the forum.
Lower compression is better.

He must be high on his Avitar today.

Mu ha ha.............
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