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Old 10-09-2012, 06:32 PM
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Answers to all your questions can be found here.

Star Race Cars Parts Catalog
I wonder how much this part costs.... Star Race Cars Parts Catalog
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Originally Posted by shadycrew31
Answers to all your questions can be found here.

Star Race Cars Parts Catalog
Very interesting catalog; I wonder if ordinary mortals can order from it?
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I wonder how much this part costs.... Star Race Cars Parts Catalog
No clue... but it looks yummy.

you can upgrade your renesis with the front cover, pulley spacer, front plate, water pump, and sump tray .

I'm more interested in the water pump and if its upgraded or just modified to fit a bigger pulley for overdrive purposes.....

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So is using the engine to brake bad for it since its not getting any fuel (premix)?
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And their muffler must be good for +20 hp, right?
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I looked at their water pump and was immediately curious if it was stock or not.
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Originally Posted by shadycrew31
From what I can tell they are only using S2 fuel injectors, everything else are modified parts specific for the formula car or from the S1. There was no HP increase from the s2 engine so they decided to stay with the S1.
Yup..Timing Cover does not look S2 either..or S1
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Originally Posted by ShellDude
I looked at their water pump and was immediately curious if it was stock or not.
I'm not sure if its aftermarket but that pulley is larger than the ac compressor lol (sarcasm).

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Yup..Timing Cover does not look S2 either..or S1
Yea its a custom cover with AN fittings for the sump setup.

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I spotted the heat shield between the LIM and the header. I'd like to see how it attaches.
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Originally Posted by ShellDude
I looked at their water pump and was immediately curious if it was stock or not.
the water pump assembly is an 86-88 Rx7 unit. they are probably using that because the Rx8 has the water pump and front cover in one casting, and they are using the dry sump front cover which isn't
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i get one if they can paint it in pink and cost 200 bux
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This is awesome, thanks for sharing 9k.
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Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8
I spotted the heat shield between the LIM and the header. I'd like to see how it attaches.
odula japan has something like that years ago.
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odula japan has something like that years ago.
Got any pics of it installed?
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Got any pics of it installed?
Just get some sheet metal line it with reflective tape and strap it to the LIM.
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they premix at 200/1?
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I read the link OP provided. Thanks, OP.

I find this all interesting, but- and let me stress I'm pretty out of it today, so I may be missing the obvious- how do many of the maintenance procedures, techniques and intervals regarding this dedicated-race rotary have relevance and/or applicability to daily driven, garden variety, consumer owned RX8s?
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Most of it doesn't have any direct application. Most of it is simply interesting.

There are a few bits that do apply still, since the engine itself is still pretty similar. Engine management and engine usage is different, as is cooling and lubrication. But there are still things we can use from it. Like the RPM limitations due to housing damage, the fact that Mazda still sees premixing as a good thing, etc...
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Originally Posted by RIWWP
Most of it doesn't have any direct application. Most of it is simply interesting.

There are a few bits that do apply still, since the engine itself is still pretty similar. Engine management and engine usage is different, as is cooling and lubrication. But there are still things we can use from it. Like the RPM limitations due to housing damage, the fact that Mazda still sees premixing as a good thing, etc...
You re wrong!

Mazda knows best we know nothing! 5w20 ftw! Premix is for idiots cuz omp.is more than enough ftw! Yada yada yada !!!!
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Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8
Got any pics of it installed?
Friend bought one overseas, dont have a pic now, will ask.if he can snap one for me. I think odula has it on its web site.
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Originally Posted by ShellDude
I wonder how much this part costs.... Star Race Cars Parts Catalog
the dry sump oil system alone costs more than you are willing to drop on an engine
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Thanks 9k for posting this, i completely understand how the intake ports work now

was a great read
Amazing ain't it, the intake resonance works fantastically on a zero overlap engine but the exhaust with far more energy apparently does nothing
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Originally Posted by RIWWP
And this is referring to the race car still, which has a different ECU and different rev cut point than our street cars. That being said, shifting in the 8,000s and not crossing 9,000 is still a good idea for us.
Never really seen any particular housing wear or even chatter marks on our racers, but then we make sure we inject plenty of fuel on the overrun (as much for side seal cooling and lubrication as housing wear too).

Don't get too hung up on the oil change times in that PDF, that's normal for pretty much any race vehicle.
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Originally Posted by PhillipM
Never really seen any particular housing wear or even chatter marks on our racers, but then we make sure we inject plenty of fuel on the overrun (as much for side seal cooling and lubrication as housing wear too).

Don't get too hung up on the oil change times in that PDF, that's normal for pretty much any race vehicle.
Yup. I've never seen you mention it, though other racers have. I don't think either "side" is wrong, just something involved that isn't being shared/documented that makes the difference.

With the unknowns of the street engines, especially remans, a cautious approach to that is best in my opinion.
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do they run pre mixed premix ( VP fuels has it available?)? I think they do.
On the exhaust--they have a nice flowing set up--but iit doesnt look like it is a "tuned". to me. But I know nothing really.
I am curious Philip--injecting at overun doesnt wash the lubrication away? Or do you have a high enought pre mix ratio to compensate for that?


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