Notices
Series I Tech Garage The place to discuss anything technical about the RX-8 that doesn't fit into any of the categories below.

HELP! VFAD trouble

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Rate Thread
 
Old 06-25-2009, 05:57 PM
  #1  
Registered User
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Colorcode's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Arcadia, CA
Posts: 100
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
HELP! VFAD trouble

So i just removed my VFAD after reading all the threads. but...im having trouble now. everytime i put the car in neutral as im driving, the rpms, just keep going down to 0 and then the car stalls!. any ideas of what i might have done wrong?

the only thing i can think of is that i did not plug up the hose, would that do anything?
Old 06-25-2009, 06:03 PM
  #2  
Grasshopper
iTrader: (1)
 
Jon316G's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Streetsboro, OH
Posts: 6,779
Likes: 0
Received 44 Likes on 33 Posts
Did you plug the nipple behind the throttle body?
Old 06-25-2009, 06:05 PM
  #3  
Registered User
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Colorcode's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Arcadia, CA
Posts: 100
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
no i left part of the hose still on figuring i wouldnt need to plug it. should i jsut remove all of it?
Old 06-25-2009, 06:06 PM
  #4  
Grasshopper
iTrader: (1)
 
Jon316G's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Streetsboro, OH
Posts: 6,779
Likes: 0
Received 44 Likes on 33 Posts
You can remove all the hoses, just make sure the intake is capped.
Old 06-26-2009, 01:16 AM
  #5  
Registered User
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Colorcode's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Arcadia, CA
Posts: 100
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
okay. im going to try this tomrw hopefully it works..
Old 06-26-2009, 01:27 AM
  #6  
Registered Toker
iTrader: (2)
 
Ross_Dawg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Bend, OR
Posts: 5,545
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
I just capped the hose where it rests in front of the intake box in case I ever revert back to stock... no problems so far. I have seen 5-6 degree hotter temperatures though... will be making a custom cai shortly to get colder air
Old 06-26-2009, 01:31 AM
  #7  
Grasshopper
iTrader: (1)
 
Jon316G's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Streetsboro, OH
Posts: 6,779
Likes: 0
Received 44 Likes on 33 Posts
^^Yeah... as long as you cap the line going to the intake and not the line going to the VFAD actuator it'll work just fine too.
Old 06-26-2009, 01:37 AM
  #8  
Registered Toker
iTrader: (2)
 
Ross_Dawg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Bend, OR
Posts: 5,545
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
hmmm... now you got me thinking. when I removed the hose off the "mesh tube" that goes through the bumper, a vaccuum was released, so I figured capping it would be good. Do I actually have to take out all the crap under the intake box up to the uim to remove vfad?
Old 06-26-2009, 01:39 AM
  #9  
Registered Toker
iTrader: (2)
 
Ross_Dawg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Bend, OR
Posts: 5,545
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
and I capped it right after the actuator, yes...

Old 06-26-2009, 02:19 AM
  #10  
Grasshopper
iTrader: (1)
 
Jon316G's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Streetsboro, OH
Posts: 6,779
Likes: 0
Received 44 Likes on 33 Posts
You do not need to cap the actuator side of the line.
The VFAD valve needs vacuum to close, so just keeping that line "uncapped" is all you need.
The following users liked this post:
Kamal El (02-20-2018)
Old 06-26-2009, 02:52 AM
  #11  
Grasshopper
iTrader: (1)
 
Jon316G's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Streetsboro, OH
Posts: 6,779
Likes: 0
Received 44 Likes on 33 Posts
Let me try to explain this better:
There are sections of hoses and hard lines in the VFAD assembly.
You also have a solenoid, vacuum chamber, and a one-way valve.
If you disconnect a hose anywhere in this assembly, you'll bleed off vacuum to the VFAD actuator and the valve will open.
The valve will remain open until vacuum is applied to the actuator.
This is why you do not need to cap the hose leading to the actuator, but the other side of the line needs to be capped so you don't introduce a vacuum leak to your intake.

There are many ways to do this instead of capping the nipple behind the throttle body (as I posted above).
Here are a couple examples:

You can remove the hose connecting to the solenoid (on the actuator side) and cap the nipple on the solenoid.
HELP! VFAD trouble-vfad-cap.jpg

Or you can remove the hose from the vacuum chamber (on the actuator & solenoid side) and just cap the nipple on the vacuum chamber.
HELP! VFAD trouble-vfad-cap2.jpg

These are a couple examples just to visually show what side you need to worry about capping (which is the line leading to the intake).
The goal is to prevent vacuum from reaching the VFAD actuator (which closes the valve) and plugging the line leading to the intake (to prevent a vacuum leak).

But some like to just cap the nipple behind the throttle body and remove the rest of the line to make it look cleaner.
Old 06-26-2009, 02:56 AM
  #12  
Registered Toker
iTrader: (2)
 
Ross_Dawg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Bend, OR
Posts: 5,545
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Oohhhhh... gotcha. So I need to uncap my capped line then...

Thanks for the excellent illustrations Jon
Old 06-26-2009, 03:00 AM
  #13  
Grasshopper
iTrader: (1)
 
Jon316G's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Streetsboro, OH
Posts: 6,779
Likes: 0
Received 44 Likes on 33 Posts
Originally Posted by Ross_Dawg
Oohhhhh... gotcha. So I need to uncap my capped line then...
You don't NEED to because you already bled the vacuum out of the actuator.
But capping it (on the actuator side) isn't going to do anything useful since you won't generate vacuum with the hose uncapped.
Old 06-26-2009, 03:03 AM
  #14  
Registered Toker
iTrader: (2)
 
Ross_Dawg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Bend, OR
Posts: 5,545
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
here we go... Im a bit vfad retarded

Name:  air-intake.jpg
Views: 4034
Size:  49.9 KB

Edit: nvm just read your above post. Everything makes sense now lol. Thanks again
Old 06-26-2009, 03:04 AM
  #15  
Grasshopper
iTrader: (1)
 
Jon316G's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Streetsboro, OH
Posts: 6,779
Likes: 0
Received 44 Likes on 33 Posts
I'm at work and can't view Photobucket pics, only attached pics.
Old 06-26-2009, 03:06 AM
  #16  
Registered Toker
iTrader: (2)
 
Ross_Dawg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Bend, OR
Posts: 5,545
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Well you helped me figure it out anyway, thanks man
Old 06-26-2009, 07:17 AM
  #17  
Out of NYC
iTrader: (1)
 
nycgps's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 19,881
Received 32 Likes on 30 Posts
VFAD is a one way line, so just cap it anywhere, its same ****.
Old 06-26-2009, 12:47 PM
  #18  
Registered User
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Colorcode's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Arcadia, CA
Posts: 100
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
haha its makes sense now. i ended up just capping the nipple behind the throtle body and it works :D
Old 06-26-2009, 12:53 PM
  #19  
GR
 
JGR4444's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: lewis Center Ohio
Posts: 263
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
i didnt cap mine at all... i left the line in the bumper and put a breather on the end of it... works perfect
Old 06-26-2009, 01:36 PM
  #20  
Grasshopper
iTrader: (1)
 
Jon316G's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Streetsboro, OH
Posts: 6,779
Likes: 0
Received 44 Likes on 33 Posts
Originally Posted by Colorcode
i ended up just capping the nipple behind the throtle body and it works :D
Glad it worked out for you!
I always suggest capping behind the throttle body since its easy to explain to others.
Capping elsewhere in the VFAD assembly would involve knowing to cap the intake side and not the actuator side (which involves me drawing little illustrations like above ).
Old 06-26-2009, 02:10 PM
  #21  
SARX Legend
iTrader: (46)
 
9krpmrx8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 33,784
Received 452 Likes on 366 Posts
So if you leave the nipple behind the throttle body, the VFAD will remain open?
Old 06-26-2009, 03:02 PM
  #22  
Grasshopper
iTrader: (1)
 
Jon316G's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Streetsboro, OH
Posts: 6,779
Likes: 0
Received 44 Likes on 33 Posts
Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8
So if you leave the nipple behind the throttle body, the VFAD will remain open?
Yes. The VFAD valve needs vacuum to close.
So if you remove the source of vacuum (intake) the valve can't close.

Last edited by Jon316G; 06-27-2009 at 04:11 PM. Reason: I'm a dumbass
Old 06-26-2009, 07:32 PM
  #23  
SARX Legend
iTrader: (46)
 
9krpmrx8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 33,784
Received 452 Likes on 366 Posts
Oh i thought it was closed all the time and needed vacuum to open. I really don't wanna remove all that crap if I don't have to.
Old 06-27-2009, 06:06 AM
  #24  
Grasshopper
iTrader: (1)
 
Jon316G's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Streetsboro, OH
Posts: 6,779
Likes: 0
Received 44 Likes on 33 Posts
Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8
Oh i thought it was closed all the time and needed vacuum to open
I made a DIY video explaining how to test the intake valves (VFAD, VDI, SSV, and APV).
You'll see that I used a vacuum pump to close the VFAD valve (the SSV and VDI are opposite and requires vacuum to open their valve).
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-do-yourself-forum-73/diy-troubleshoot-intake-valves-174009/
Old 06-27-2009, 03:51 PM
  #25  
Boosted Kiwi
iTrader: (2)
 
Brettus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Y-cat-o NZ
Posts: 20,525
Received 1,492 Likes on 840 Posts
Originally Posted by Jon316G
10psi of vacuum
.


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.

Quick Reply: HELP! VFAD trouble



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:50 AM.