sweatr

Tat"s what WTB thought also. lol lol. He told me so.

Emery_

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Hey guys just wanted to share what I consider to be a good a find!

I found some Kawasaki 2 stroke FD approved premix locally, a gallon for $30. This is the best I've find locally thus far.

9krpmrx8

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Where did you find it? I used to use the older FC version of that but my supply (Big Lots) stopped selling it.

Emery_

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I found it in a local lawn mower store, but I haven't seen it else where.

Now that I look for it online, it seems to be pretty hard to come by...

TeamRX8

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search phail, it's all over the web

48 PK of Kawasaki 2 Cycle Ktech Blend Oil 99969 6084 | eBay

9krpmrx8

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Emery's deal at $30.00 a gallon is pretty good, Big Lot's used to sell it for $2.00 a quart, it was great deal.

Emery_

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Yes you can find the 6.4 oz bottles, but can you find a gallon jug that you can actually buy? Amazon doesn't have any, neither does ebay. I found one lawn mower store that has it listed, but they don't sell online.

YUL PHL

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yea my local lawnmower shop can get the echo Red Armor (Jaso FD and ISO L-EGD)

"ECHO Red Armor engine oil incorporates powerful detergents
that quickly remove existing carbon deposits,without sacrificing lubrication or film strength, and protects against future buildups."

marketing hype or true?
http://www.redarmoroil.com/pdf/RedAr...Sheet_ECHO.pdf

sweatr

What are the specs on it?. Is it touted as low ash content. Why is it a good oil for premixing?.

Supīdo-kyō

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hey guys just picked up an rx8 with 107,000 miles on the body and 15,xxx on the new motor and would like to premix. I have read about 40- 60 pages of this thread and am still unsure as to which to buy.

this car will be my DD and i will be doing some spirited driving in it occasionally in the future ( still working on getting the whole driving a manual thing down, just got to learn how to start on hills and downshifting )

I want a premix that would clean and protect i was considering MMO but ive seen some bad reviews on it, yet a guy on here by the name of "JAX" seems to be a avid believer in it. my only concern is that most of the bad reviews claims it lacks protection which i want.

If i were to get saber pro, or idemitsu, could i just seafoam more often to clean up carbon or is there another product i could use at certain intervals to clean up the carbon? also if there's a single product that will do both please let me know

btw has anyone done a teardown of their engine yet??? i saw a post by a guy named "Brettus" saying he did and his was clean but he never listed what premix he used

200.mph

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9krpm has done a few engines with the sarx crew. they say seafoam dont do ****. they are a good group of guys and have posted a lot on the topic.

if you want clean oil injected get a sohn adapter and use premiw of your choice. i like most others use idmitsu

hoss -05

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Just use a JASO FD rated pre-mix in tank and bump up your OMP settings up a bit. I like the idea of using pre-mix but think using a good oil and changing it often is more important.

Emery_

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It's not marketing hype, if it's Jaso FD approved then that's what it does. In order to be Jaso FD approved a company has to send their oil to be individually tested, and if it meets all the criteria of the Jaso specs then it is good. The only difference between Jaso FC and FD is that FD has more detergents and cleaning properties while still maintaining it's lubricating specs.

Jaso FD is the spec, and it does have a low ash content.

It's good for premixing because it's pretty much the best rated oil you can buy for premixing... A quick google search would answer that question. TCW-3 is not a good enough lubricant, and honestly I wouldn't use anything that isn't at least Jaso FC approved or the equivalent ISO ratings.

But to give you a comparison, idemitsu "rotary specific" premix is Jaso FC equivalent according to idemitsu.

poacherinthezoo

Idemitsu or Saber Pro seem to be popular on here, the choice between these 2 is usually made on the grounds of pricing and availability. As Mr. 9krpm has stated above, pre-mixing doesn't overcome the design flaws of the engine and really a SOHN adapter filled with pre-mix is really the "ideal" route (in my opinion) in terms of what the OMP should be injecting.

There is something called "FPP" or "FFP" or something to that effect (can't remember, my apologies I know that isn't very helpful) that is suppose to be good for fighting carbon. However, it has also been implicated (correctly or not) in the fuel filter sock getting mucked up. That said, the gas you put in the car is the primary source of carbon. I'm not familiar with the utility of seafoam'ing since my car is a series 2, but I've read more negative things than positive about it.



Congrats on the car, I hope it treats you well.


Italics portion edited to correct for my lack of clarity.

hoss -05

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I mildly dissagree. I still think a guy should run a bit of pre-mix through the fuel system even with a Sohn. In theory it will help potentally lubracate parts the stock OMP outlets may not. Although this matters less when you talk about the S2.

Emery_

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You're saying NO premix in the gas, and a SOHN adapter filled with premix is the ideal route?

I would say that premix in the gas and a SOHN adapter with clean 2 stroke is ideal... Why? Just because you have a SOHN adapter pumping clean 2 stroke doesn't mean that the center of the apex springs/housing is getting lubrication. The S1 rx8 major design flaws addressed in the S2 are its 2 oil injectors on the side, and the lower oil pressure.

I think ideally, clean 2 stroke with a SOHN, and 2 stroke in your gas is more ideal. But even then the rx8 is still prone to failure due to cooling, which is why some say is premix really worth it? Regardless I think it's still worth it, and like most have said premixed engines are usually cleaner on tear down, so either way premixing can help with keeping your engine lower on carbon, which is another enemy of the renesis.

hoss -05

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Although i do agree that pre mix may help a bit with carbon but in general a person who uses pre-mix will use better oil, change it more often and drive the car a bit harder also all leading to reduced carbon deposits... to blame pre-mix alone for a clean engine would be false.

Pre-mix is not the do all end all of failure reduction in our cars. It is simply a tool that can help reduce the frequency of failure. Lets face it regular maintainence on all aspects of the engine and its sub components is the best bet. I have seen more engine failures from catastrophic events then I have low compression.

Emery_

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I'm not saying it is the do all end all... I'm saying that if using premix leads to softened carbon deposits, then of course hard drives in the upper RPM range will help eliminate those carbon deposits even more. My statement was in reference to using a SOHN adapter with clean 2 stroke oil and premix in the gas, so the need for clean engine oil isn't as necessary, as compared to running a stock OMP that is injecting dirty/used engine oil.

poacherinthezoo

Good catch, my word choice was poor. It's "ideal" in the sense that it's what the OMP should be pumping instead of dirty engine oil. Not "ideal" in the sense that it's what I would be doing if I had an S1. I'll edit my original post to reflect the correction.

dezau

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Are these the same thing?
Racing Beat

And if so, has anybody used them? Pettit gave me some Protek-R to try, but they are really bad at returning calls and shipping, so I'm trying to find if there are other products that are more easily accessible.

pistonhater

I'm surprised to hear you say that. I have been using Protek-R since I bought my car, and each time I placed an order through Pettit the oil arrived within a week, at times within 3 days.

The gallon is the better deal in terms of convenience. Buying the smaller bottles get old after a while.

Carbon8

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I received 2 free gallons from Cam, and will be ordering more when I am out.

9krpmrx8

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The problem (in my mind anyway) with Protek R and the like is that you don't know what is and what standard it is made to. Heck even Idemitsu is not JASO rated, it just supposedly meets those specs. Not to mention Pettits ridiculous test just makes me doubt them even more even though I really respect them as an engine builder. But more than likely is just rebranded run of the mill 2 stroke anyway.

But as said a million times over, what you choose doesn't really matter, any synthetic 2 stroke should be fine.

Emery_

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Those are good points against the protek r premix, which are the same exact reasons I opt not to use it.

When you buy a quality 2 stroke with the Jaso FC or FD rating on it, you know that the company that designed the oil went through the effort of making something that was able to meet those specifications and actually passed them too. Quality was obviously on their mind, because FC, FD, and the ISO equivalent ratings all have really high specs to meet.

IMO I wouldn't use anything without the rating stamped on the bottle.

dezau

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Sooo can anyone tell me if the Royal Purple on Amazon are the same ones from Racing Beat?

Also how many ppl use the Royal Purple 2 Stroke for Premix? I'd get the Idemitsu if the shipping weren't that ridonkulous everywhere