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Old 08-23-2007 | 03:58 PM
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Old 08-23-2007 | 03:59 PM
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I get that Water absorbs heat faster than glycol. So don't include me in there...no proof needed for me.
I was including that you had pointed that out too.

The increased pressure of a radiator cap will increase the boiling point. Learned that too.
I researched and I agree, my bad.

The fact that you owned cheap parts on your cheap rustang is irrelevant.
Let's see you take a Dodge Viper GTS by a few carlengths....oh wait....you need horsepower for that!
Old 08-23-2007 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ProCharger GT
Let's see you take a Dodge Viper GTS by a few carlengths....oh wait....you need horsepower for that!
Nice one. Let me guess - for the H3, you need to be a pretentious ******* (who can't afford the extra $20k for the H2) to drive one.

Having owned a mustang once before, I Can't say that there is even a slight envy of your car, even if it had 5,000 hp and drives fast enough to turn back time.
Old 08-23-2007 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
MM, make Phil your secretary. Oops, I mean assistant.
He may not even be around when I get to it.
I was originally planning on getting to the car Monday, but it looks like Sunday is better for me and Phil will be in Havasu.
Either way, I'll keep a scrap of paper around...
Old 08-23-2007 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mysql101
Nice one. Let me guess - for the H3, you need to be a pretentious ******* (who can't afford the extra $20k for the H2) to drive one.

Having owned a mustang once before, I Can't say that there is even a slight envy of your car, even if it had 5,000 hp and drives fast enough to turn back time.
Personal attacks - when you realise you have nothing to back up your claims.

:yawn:

I'm not pretentious, I'm just an ******* okay?

I wasn't even talking to you, I was talking to John (DeViLbOi).

And I bet you had a V6 Mustang!

Here, let me put this in terms you can understand, because you can program in Scarcely Qualifies as a Language:

Select * from Thread where mysql101_proves_valid_point = TRUE;
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0 rows returned.
Old 08-23-2007 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ProCharger GT
Personal attacks - when you realise you have nothing to back up your claims.
Nothing personal about it. I was bashing your car choices, after you bashed ours.


I wasn't even talking to you, I was talking to John (DeViLbOi).
Oh. Right, now It's my turn to quote you, to yourself: "A forum is designed as a place to discuss issues, so while you don't have to answer, he and I, and anyone else, can question you and your opinion however much we want."



Here, let me put this in terms you can understand, because you can program in Scarcely Qualifies as a Language:
Another faux pas on your part. I currently develop systems that manage thousands of developers inside of Verizon and MCI (Now VZB). So Mysql, postgres, oracle, etc. You name it, I use it. You can bash me for using PHP too if you'd like, but only if you neglect to see the part where I also write device drivers, using C. I also used to write graphics engines in assembly (Back when I wanted to be a big video game developer).

You'll have to do better than that.
Old 08-23-2007 | 04:42 PM
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If you guys spent half as much time learning the physics and taking the measurements as you do trying to dick-slap each other you might learn something other than condom sizes.
The answers have already been established. No go out, spend a few bucks and pour some liquids.
Old 08-23-2007 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mysql101
Yes, water molecules vs glycol. Obviously you wouldn't want to run 100% glycol, since it's crap for cooling.
So you are comparing apples to oranges...thanks for the clarification

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First off, I do not have to answer to you. So don't question me on what I can post here.
TRUE...but what is the point of providing an answer to a question that doesn't apply? To increase post count? To sell your product?

Originally Posted by mysql101
Secondly, it's been said in this thread that glycol helps cooling, when in fact it hinders when compared to water.

So you're trading off increased cooling capacity (which would be useful anytime you drive your car) for a few moments more time before your coolant boils over when your radiator fans fail (which would happen.... uh... rarely). If you want peace of mind, get yourself some good gauges so you can actually see what's going on in your car before things get to the point where coolant boils. You can also get a higher pressure radiator cap, to increase the boiling point to the same levels as the 50/50 mix.
Also true, depending on how you are talking. While glycol does not absorb or release the heat as quickly, it can store more of it before boiling. You trade one evil for another really so depending on what sort of protection you are comfortable with depends your path. From what I have read there are about 10 of us that say at least 30% glycol is best for daily street driving and the Water Wetter solution for race conditions.
Old 08-23-2007 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by mysql101
Another faux pas on your part. I currently develop systems that manage thousands of developers inside of Verizon and MCI (Now VZB). So Mysql, postgres, oracle, etc. You name it, I use it. You can bash me for using PHP too if you'd like, but only if you neglect to see the part where I also write device drivers, using C. I also used to write graphics engines in assembly (Back when I wanted to be a big video game developer).

You'll have to do better than that.
GRRRRRR...VizBiz...no wonder we don't get along.
Old 08-23-2007 | 04:47 PM
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what's wrong with verizon business?
Old 08-23-2007 | 04:55 PM
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They like to remap OC48 cross-connects without telling anybody. Enjoy turning down circuits for the wrong customer. Like to provide IP Address ranges for OC-128 connections that are already in use. Luckily we have a very nice verizon account rep who sits here with us all day and likes to yell at her coworkers. :P
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Originally Posted by mysql101
Nothing personal about it. I was bashing your car choices, after you bashed ours.
I like RX-8's, I was making fun of John who sits right next to me...and he's too much of a bastard to just yell at me from 5 ft away


Oh. Right, now It's my turn to quote you, to yourself: "A forum is designed as a place to discuss issues, so while you don't have to answer, he and I, and anyone else, can question you and your opinion however much we want."
You didn't ask me any questions; my responses were to your statements. Check for question marks in the last post that was directed towards me. Ask and you shall receive.

Another faux pas on your part. I currently develop systems that manage thousands of developers inside of Verizon and MCI (Now VZB). So Mysql, postgres, oracle, etc. You name it, I use it. You can bash me for using PHP too if you'd like, but only if you neglect to see the part where I also write device drivers, using C. I also used to write graphics engines in assembly (Back when I wanted to be a big video game developer).

You'll have to do better than that.
I'm glad you didn't knock my syntax then, and I'm not bashing your programming languages (...that sounds weird..), I was trying to portray to you that you've yet to prove anything other than what Redline told you was true. Comeon, your in IT, think outside the box! And now that I know your personal life, I'm still waiting for proof of all of your aforementioned posts........and make sure nobody runs a bad query against your SQL databases

If you have a problem with me PM me because really, what your talking about now is totally off topic. Let MM do his testing.

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Old 08-23-2007 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ProCharger GT
I'm glad you didn't knock my syntax then, and I'm not bashing your programming languages (...that sounds weird..), I was trying to portray to you that you've yet to prove anything other than what Redline told you was true. Comeon, your in IT, think outside the box! And now that I know your personal life, I'm still waiting for proof of all of your aforementioned posts........and make sure nobody runs a bad query against your SQL databases
No...he isn't using BASH...just SQL and Water Wetter because Wet Water is better than Hard Water or Soft Water.
Old 08-23-2007 | 05:02 PM
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Good thing he doesn't use COBOL...if he programs like he posts (all over the place) that code wouldn't work for 2 seconds.
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Originally Posted by ProCharger GT
and I'm not bashing your programming languages (...that sounds weird..),
There are some that deserve it. Mysql has been pretty crappy in the past, and even right now, I wouldn't use it for anything other than quick and easy stuff. Fortunately (or is it unfortunately), 90% of things are quick and easy, so mysql is an all purpose replacement for flat text files


I was trying to portray to you that you've yet to prove anything other than what Redline told you was true.
Until this thread, I can't say that I've ever read up on redline's literature. This is also the first time I've ever run 100% water without any antifreeze in a car. Given my investment in this car (At least 40k now), I wouldn't be doing it without justification.


Comeon, your in IT, think outside the box!
Most people in IT seem to be drones at desk jobs, plopping together code based on docs written by requirements writers who don't have any technical background. It's not something I'd want to be associated with.


And now that I know your personal life, I'm still waiting for proof of all of your aforementioned posts........and make sure nobody runs a bad query against your SQL databases
I'm done talking about coolant. Personal attacks are more fun
Old 08-23-2007 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mysql101
Most people in IT seem to be drones at desk jobs, plopping together code based on docs written by requirements writers who don't have any technical background. It's not something I'd want to be associated with.
However that is our primary job in IT. To take the corporate drone and make them think outside the box, or think outside the box for them.

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I'm done talking about coolant. Personal attacks are more fun
But I still want to know about coolant.
Old 08-24-2007 | 01:58 PM
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So if antifreeze increases viscosity, which leads to the pump moving water slower, which leads to a higher inlet outlet temperature change; Does this not make the waterwetter info even more viable? What is waterwetter's effect on viscosity?

I did enjoy the comment on flow vs. pressure that does seem to get many people, hard concept I guess.
Old 08-24-2007 | 02:21 PM
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What kind of flow rate is expected from the stock pump?
Old 08-24-2007 | 02:24 PM
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So if antifreeze increases viscosity, which leads to the pump moving water slower, which leads to a higher inlet outlet temperature change; Does this not make the waterwetter info even more viable? What is waterwetter's effect on viscosity?

I did enjoy the comment on flow vs. pressure that does seem to get many people, hard concept I guess.
The business your in (we are in) makes it easier.

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Old 08-24-2007 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil's 8
The business your in (we are in) makes it easier.
Indeed. I enjoyed talking with you about that at lunch.
I suspect you know a thing or two about flow/pressure/volume!
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
MM, make Phil your secretary. Oops, I mean assistant.

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He may not even be around when I get to it.
I was originally planning on getting to the car Monday, but it looks like Sunday is better for me and Phil will be in Havasu.
Either way, I'll keep a scrap of paper around...

There will be a tablet & pens on the seat with the lap top - If I knew exactly when Jeff would be there I'd get dancing girls there also. I take it you got my PM?
Old 08-24-2007 | 02:41 PM
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There will be a tablet & pens on the seat with the lap top - If I knew exactly when Jeff would be there I'd get dancing girls there also. I take it you got my PM?
Ok so when and where are we doing this then? :D
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Ok so when and where are we doing this then? :D
Hay PoopSmith, good to hear from you. You coming with Jeff to tune my 8? or just for the dancing girls? If your in luck Jeff may have some of his avatar girls with him. Quit being a "stick in the mud" and get with the locals for the SSX caravan. Talk to the brothers Kitchen and tell them your going to LA for a seminar and will pass out literature for them - maybe they will subsidize your trip.
Old 08-24-2007 | 02:55 PM
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Got your PM Phil.

I don't know about dancing girls, but I have a busy Sunday night planned...
Old 08-24-2007 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by PoopSmith
So if antifreeze increases viscosity, which leads to the pump moving water slower, which leads to a higher inlet outlet temperature change; Does this not make the waterwetter info even more viable? What is waterwetter's effect on viscosity?

I did enjoy the comment on flow vs. pressure that does seem to get many people, hard concept I guess.
Interesting point. I would assume that since antifreeze has a higher viscosity than pure water and water wetter reduces the surface tension that then the water wetter solution would have a lower viscosity than water explaining some of the effects of using Water Wetter. However, with the difference in ratios between Glycol Mix to Water and Glycol Mix w/ WW to Water w/ WW don't seem to jive with it. But maybe it isn't as easy to breakdown the viscosity of the Glycol Solution because of the chemical composition of it. Good question and point though.

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