Notices
Series I Major Horsepower Upgrades This is the place to discuss Super Chargers and Turbos, Nitrous, Porting, etc

skc supercharger build

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Rate Thread
 
Old 11-20-2011, 10:06 PM
  #176  
skc
rev it up
Thread Starter
 
skc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Brisbane Australia
Posts: 1,590
Received 11 Likes on 11 Posts
Originally Posted by olddragger
2 things.
1-on track with an FI engine it is best to go out with the oil level a tad down from full. Same for the SC oil level.
2- you have to have a great catch can set up--it doesnt need vacuum. Use a big line (big as you can within reason The little stock one is not big enough. For a back yard fix before going out you can also break the seal that the oil dipstick has--just pull it back a little--but it COULD blow some oil out --probably wouldnt --but it could.
You are obviously getting blowby in the engine--that in itself is not necessarily something to be concerned about. Just be sure to change oil after a track event!

its going to be a bitch cleaning the intercooler?
Apparently, the system does let some oil through and at this stage nothing can be done to stop the oil going through. There is no provision for a catch can either.

I will try lowering the oil a bit next time as the G Reddy sump has extra volume anyway.

I also decided to seal up the oil filler cap to prevent oil leaking. This may have also created extra pressure within the system causing the vacuum seal to let go.

The concern I have at the moment is that there is a weakness in the seal so in the long term that will need a redesign.
Old 11-20-2011, 10:45 PM
  #177  
SARX Legend
iTrader: (46)
 
9krpmrx8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 33,784
Received 452 Likes on 366 Posts
3.5" custom intake setup

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9krpmrx8/6346211001/
All I used from the AEM was the MAF housing and screens. I got all my piping from here:

http://www.rotary-works.com/mm5/merc...gory_Code=APIP

I even cut everything with a chop saw and used Emory cloth to debur and smooth the cut pieces.
Old 11-21-2011, 09:14 AM
  #178  
Registered
iTrader: (3)
 
olddragger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: macon, georgia
Posts: 10,828
Likes: 0
Received 38 Likes on 27 Posts
are you sure that is enought air filter for you
Old 11-21-2011, 09:41 AM
  #179  
SARX Legend
iTrader: (46)
 
9krpmrx8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 33,784
Received 452 Likes on 366 Posts
TX

Originally Posted by olddragger
are you sure that is enought air filter for you
Well I actually would like a larger filter but it just won't fit. This filter is for a 2.2L Ecotec turbocharged engine that is used in the HHR SS, Soltice GXP, and the Saturn Sky Redline so I hope it flow enough for my engine.

Eventually I will remount the inter cooler and use the intake funnel and a filter with a 6" flange.
Old 11-21-2011, 11:37 AM
  #180  
Registered
iTrader: (3)
 
olddragger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: macon, georgia
Posts: 10,828
Likes: 0
Received 38 Likes on 27 Posts
its a neat looking air filter set up. Great find on the filter. The picture is a little bright so I cant see if there are any pleats in it? Pretty sure there is. the flow rate may be OK--it just looks small.
Now you do know that the entire top portion of the front support beam can be cut off? That beam is internally sepatarated by a steel plate that goes down the middle of it. Just cut a little above halfway up and all the way across and it makes the beam 1/2 as wide as it now is.
That gives you a LOT more room.
Old 11-21-2011, 11:39 AM
  #181  
SARX Legend
iTrader: (46)
 
9krpmrx8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 33,784
Received 452 Likes on 366 Posts
TX

Originally Posted by olddragger
its a neat looking air filter set up. Great find on the filter. The picture is a little bright so I cant see if there are any pleats in it? Pretty sure there is. the flow rate may be OK--it just looks small.
Now you do know that the entire top portion of the front support beam can be cut off? That beam is internally separated by a steel plate that goes down the middle of it. Just cut a little above halfway up and all the way across and it makes the beam 1/2 as wide as it now is.
That gives you a LOT more room.

Yes it is pleated.

Oh now you tell me
Old 11-21-2011, 07:07 PM
  #182  
skc
rev it up
Thread Starter
 
skc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Brisbane Australia
Posts: 1,590
Received 11 Likes on 11 Posts
That is what I am looking to do in the near future.
Old 12-22-2011, 02:34 AM
  #183  
skc
rev it up
Thread Starter
 
skc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Brisbane Australia
Posts: 1,590
Received 11 Likes on 11 Posts
We finally managed to diagnose the cause of the seal failure in the dog bone. It seems that under boost the pipe gets pushed back causing a leak. The solution is to machine a piece of metal that sits against the plenum to stop the dog bone piece from sliding back causing boost leak.

We hope to get this done sometime in January so I can finally get full boost. I think this issue has existed from the beginning as I now know what the engine sounds and feels like when there is a boost leak. I am sure I had similar sounds when I first took the car to the track.

With this issue resolved the car will feel more powerful.
Old 12-22-2011, 02:52 AM
  #184  
Registered
 
shr3da's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 346
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Its already a beast, when are you upping the psi?
Old 12-22-2011, 02:54 AM
  #185  
Lucky #33
iTrader: (4)
 
hoss -05's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: San Antonio, SARX Garage
Posts: 2,851
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Originally Posted by skc
We finally managed to diagnose the cause of the seal failure in the dog bone. It seems that under boost the pipe gets pushed back causing a leak. The solution is to machine a piece of metal that sits against the plenum to stop the dog bone piece from sliding back causing boost leak.

We hope to get this done sometime in January so I can finally get full boost. I think this issue has existed from the beginning as I now know what the engine sounds and feels like when there is a boost leak. I am sure I had similar sounds when I first took the car to the track.

With this issue resolved the car will feel more powerful.
If you make a second one Ill send you some $$ and an address.
Old 12-22-2011, 03:10 AM
  #186  
skc
rev it up
Thread Starter
 
skc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Brisbane Australia
Posts: 1,590
Received 11 Likes on 11 Posts
Originally Posted by hoss -05
If you make a second one Ill send you some $$ and an address.
Danny, of automotive plus will be making it for me and his kits. He did mention that he may make some extras. So, it may be worth contacting Danny.
Old 12-22-2011, 03:16 AM
  #187  
skc
rev it up
Thread Starter
 
skc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Brisbane Australia
Posts: 1,590
Received 11 Likes on 11 Posts
Originally Posted by shr3da
Its already a beast, when are you upping the psi?
I have to resolve these minor issues first. I also have to be a bit realistic about more power as my car has over 100 000 km and at some stage in the near future it will fail. It may be best to wait for a rebuild, with ported exhaust, ceramic seals, nitrate plates, balance, etc before I start looking for more power.

In the meantime I will keep running the car and doing track days until the inevitable happens.
Old 12-22-2011, 05:39 AM
  #188  
No respecter of malarkey
iTrader: (25)
 
TeamRX8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 26,727
Received 2,011 Likes on 1,639 Posts
What is this "dog bone" that you speak of?
Old 12-22-2011, 05:54 AM
  #189  
Registered
 
shr3da's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 346
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by skc
I have to resolve these minor issues first. I also have to be a bit realistic about more power as my car has over 100 000 km and at some stage in the near future it will fail. It may be best to wait for a rebuild, with ported exhaust, ceramic seals, nitrate plates, balance, etc before I start looking for more power.

In the meantime I will keep running the car and doing track days until the inevitable happens.

Thats probably a good idea. If only we had a magic ball which told us our engine expiry. Rowan just rebuild jasons motor cost him 8 or 9k.
Old 12-22-2011, 06:01 AM
  #190  
Lucky #33
iTrader: (4)
 
hoss -05's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: San Antonio, SARX Garage
Posts: 2,851
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Originally Posted by TeamRX8
What is this "dog bone" that you speak of?
I believe this is the one he is talking about. It could have a tighter fit.



Old 12-22-2011, 08:47 AM
  #191  
Registered
iTrader: (3)
 
olddragger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: macon, georgia
Posts: 10,828
Likes: 0
Received 38 Likes on 27 Posts
I have said it before, but I will say it again--that sure is a good looking kit.
Curious why you want to go with ceramic seals? They are easier on the housings, but they break also.
Read up on some things and it seems, and I am not an expert, that our apex seals have a weak fulcum point by being shorter than say the turbo FD's? By changing to a taller seal this strengtens that area. No long term results are in but those that have had this done--so far so good. Its lodgical to me. Of course bad detonation is going to blow it anyway. A little knock may not.
As many have said --get the best tune you can( watch the timing), neg decel timing is now being talked about as is rpm delta tables also. Run the best octane you can get and then get some gas that has more, either by additives or race gas--if you are tracking or staying is high boost in the higher gears. Add a rock solid ignition system, do race maintanence, some premix, and watch your temps.
Doing all that --why spend the money on ceramic seals. If anything we need ceramic side seals! Not for the wear, but to better handle the heat they see.
Old 12-22-2011, 04:12 PM
  #192  
skc
rev it up
Thread Starter
 
skc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Brisbane Australia
Posts: 1,590
Received 11 Likes on 11 Posts
Originally Posted by shr3da
Thats probably a good idea. If only we had a magic ball which told us our engine expiry. Rowan just rebuild jasons motor cost him 8 or 9k.
I will most likely get extreme rotaries to do the bulk of the rebuild and get Danny to put it together for me.

Hopefully i will get a few more years worth of driving before the rebuild. so far it has served me well for over 8 years and 5 years of regular track days.
Old 12-22-2011, 04:28 PM
  #193  
skc
rev it up
Thread Starter
 
skc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Brisbane Australia
Posts: 1,590
Received 11 Likes on 11 Posts
Originally Posted by hoss -05
I believe this is the one he is talking about. It could have a tighter fit.
Correct, the dog bone has a rubber seal on either end and once the plenum is screwed down it holds this piece in place. The problem is that in my set up the dog bone piece is a bit short and under boost it slides back, exposing the seal thus causing boost leak. In an earlier photo posted it shows the seal had blown out of its housing.

So the solution is to place a machined piece of metal on the plenum side to stop it from sliding back thus preventing the boost leak.
Old 12-22-2011, 05:54 PM
  #194  
Registered
 
shr3da's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 346
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Rowan is extreme rotaries. Nice guy very professional. So many machines in his workshop.
Old 12-22-2011, 07:36 PM
  #195  
No respecter of malarkey
iTrader: (25)
 
TeamRX8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 26,727
Received 2,011 Likes on 1,639 Posts
He is on my short list of world class builders, just wish he wasn't on the wrong continent, lol. You won't wrong there.
Old 12-28-2011, 03:45 AM
  #196  
Registered
 
shr3da's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 346
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by TeamRX8
He is on my short list of world class builders, just wish he wasn't on the wrong continent, lol. You won't wrong there.
Yeah he has quite the rep, just a 30 min drive down the road for me
Old 02-20-2012, 04:13 PM
  #197  
skc
rev it up
Thread Starter
 
skc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Brisbane Australia
Posts: 1,590
Received 11 Likes on 11 Posts
New part installed and boost leak is gone. However, engine sputters under high load at high rpm i.e rev to 1st to 9000rpm when I take second gear the car bogs and sputters.

i will try injector cleaners and hopefully it helps. I did change the spark plugs as they where very dirty, they had only done around 1000km before the last clean. I think the dirty spark plugs where due to the boost leak.

The next cause could be coils, so I have to go through a process of elimination

skc
Old 02-20-2012, 06:42 PM
  #198  
Registered
iTrader: (3)
 
olddragger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: macon, georgia
Posts: 10,828
Likes: 0
Received 38 Likes on 27 Posts
could be many things---go down the list.
glad the boost leak is fixed.
been meaning to ask--how does that uim fit onto the lim?
Old 02-20-2012, 09:34 PM
  #199  
skc
rev it up
Thread Starter
 
skc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Brisbane Australia
Posts: 1,590
Received 11 Likes on 11 Posts
Originally Posted by olddragger
been meaning to ask--how does that uim fit onto the lim?
I am not 100% sure. The UIM which is the intake plenum is a milled piece of aluminium which comes in two pieces. The bottom half nestles into the locating pin on the factory UIM and is bolted into the factory bolt locations. The dog bone then slides in and the top half of the plenum is bolted in.

I hope this answers your question.
Old 02-21-2012, 01:22 AM
  #200  
Lucky #33
iTrader: (4)
 
hoss -05's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: San Antonio, SARX Garage
Posts: 2,851
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Originally Posted by olddragger
could be many things---go down the list.
glad the boost leak is fixed.
been meaning to ask--how does that uim fit onto the lim?
I believe there is a piece you cannot see Denny. I cant wait to start installing my kit.


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.

Quick Reply: skc supercharger build



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:34 AM.