SpeedForceRacing

Well it has been two years now since our prototype car made 326WHP on a dyno Dynamics dyno.The car is still running strong and there has been no catastrophes.We have sold about 25 systems now(mostly tuner systems) and we not have some cool turbo options like the GT-K turbos from Turbonetics.Larger intercoolers are available as well as different options for blow-off valves.ur engine management system is very similiar to the Interceptor -X and it has worked great for us with no issues and no CEL lights!So I thought I would just post some info since some of you guys had said our test car would have blown up a couple months after we built it and in fact it has gone past two years and no kaboomie

http://www.speedforceracing.com/prod...x8turbokit.php


Tim

Brettus

iTrader: (2)

looks good - how come nobody on here has it ?

paulmasoner

iTrader: (1)

$ ?

1stgen8

iTrader: (1)

Let me answer...cause it cost to much for such little hp.

Brettus

iTrader: (2)

Its a lot cheaper than Mazsport & looks to be much better quality than Greddy so the price ($5500 with no ems) looks pretty good to me

Fanman

Actually, with the EMS, it is around the same price as the Mazsport kit ($7500). It looks like a pretty good kit. I have seen one car that had it in person. The kit looked OK, it was the rest of the car that looked a bit cheesy.

Red Devil

If people are willing to fork over 5K for the Pettit kit, another $500 for more whp shouldn't be too big of a deal, imo.

SpeedForceRacing

Hmmmm.......325WHP on a Dyno Dynamics that reads lower power numbers then the typical Dynojet. I think you are mistaken my friend.

MrWigggles

I personally have not like the way SFR has handled itself/himself on this forum.

On one post awhile back, SFR linked a Japanese article where someone in Japan had done a custom install of their kit. It was clear from the article that Japanese owner was only estimating (an undoubtedly overestimating) the power at the crank. But SFR probably linked the article and claimed "XXX WHP!!! Read the article! Blah Blah..." eventhough there was dyno to prove it and the Japanese owner certainly wasn't talking about WHP.

We can rehash the specifics, but I don't like companies that exaggerate claims. That puts a company in my doghouse. And SFR hasn't done anything to get out of the doghouse to this point for me at least.

-Mr. Wigggles

EDIT: quote added to clarify who I was replying to

SpeedForceRacing

This system is alot better quality the the Greddy system.We only use the best materisl and parts available. We even made the header out of 321SS which is a must for Rotary applications.

MrWigggles

Here's the link and it was in Hong-Kong not Japan:

https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-major-horsepower-upgrades-93/380whp-sfr-turbo-rx-8-hong-kong-101979/

See for yourself if that is a "380 WHP!!" turbo system.

-Mr. Wigggles

SpeedForceRacing

Well I think I can answer this.There are at least 15 people on these boards with the system on thier cars. However, nobody seems to post anymore since everytime they do post, there are 50 people flaming them and us.I mean people are still stewing over the fact that it took us a little while to complete our tuning and put up a 300+WHP dyno chart. What is really funny is that there are some companies here that have been doing their supercharger projects and turbocharger projects for 4+ years with no sort of results,100,000 posts,dyno charts generated on Microsoft excel and yet we get flamed and are the bad guys It is what it is and we will continue to sell and support our product.Take care.

MrWigggles

I'm not stewing and I think most simply don't care and have written you off. If someone points out a problem with one of your claims, you should address the problem and not keep self-promoting.

You are asking people to trust their $30K+ car with your product. That type of trust comes from being 100% straight-forward. Earn people's trust and then sell your turbo.

This is not a head-scratcher.

-Mr. Wigggles

SpeedForceRacing

Mt.Wiggles. I was just posting what was said to me in an email. I do not read or write japanese or cantonese or whatever the hell it was.My post was to show people on the boards that these kits are out there on cars all over the world. So excuse me for not understanding it was 380 crank horsepower. I mean if that is all you have against us then..........I guess we should close shop and move on.I did in no way shape or form argue about the horsepower claims, charts, etc.....I made a fricken post and this is what happens everytime we post. It is *****n retarded. None of the other boards are like this at all. Our dyno charts are still disputed even though we ran on a dyno that typically reads lower then a Dynojet and at an unbiased shop that has no affiliation with us in any way.Still we get the crap slung at us.This is why we dont come on the boards that often.So anyways,the new post was about our test car making it past the two year mark.And you can beleive that is is making a solid 326WHP and I would money down that it is making even more then that if you run it on a typical dynojet or even a dynopak.So if there is something that rubbed you the wrong way in this thread, please feel free to rip me a new ***.Thanks.Good day.

Fanman

I thought SFR guys were pretty cool before, it was the SSR Engineering guy that was a real idiot. As for their kit. I have heard nothing but good things about them.

SpeedForceRacing

Thank Fanman for the support.We are trying but you rotary guys are a hard bunch to get in with. I have built numerous RX-7's and we have done quite a few RX-8's among other cars like Ferrari,Porsches,Skylines and Supras.And I know there is probably some people that think I am BSing so for those people,go to our website and check out our photo gallery.



Tim

ЯX-8

I still have never seen pictures of the relocation of the battery..

nycgps

iTrader: (1)

I think SFR did a pretty good job, I might missd some, who knows. but at least I have yet to see anything negative about them.

SFR turbo kit has been added to my *to do* list since the day he made the post about the HK dude. but Im still waiting and see how reliable are they (and Mazsport kit) while enjoying my warranty period

Dont let the other dudes here to let you down. Just keep up the good work !

Cheers

MadDog

Can we please not turn this into the usual SFR-bashing thread?

What they have done is, in my opinion, quite remarkable. They have had a product on the market for two years that is only very recently been matched by another commercial outfit. The treatment they get here is unfair - no doubt about it. I for one, get nauseated every time someone kisses the *** of one a particular S/C which may never see the light of day.

Congrats, SFR. You've taken your lumps here, but this is an accomplishment.

SpeedForceRacing

I will see if I can dig some pictures up and get them on our website.We build a nice aluminum battery box that mounts in the trunk and supply very nice(sound competition quality) power and ground cables with connectors,etc........

Aero8

would you be able to tell us how many miles you put on the car with this on in those 2 years?

Also, what would have to be replaced more often running this kit? Which parts does this put the most stress on that would go out sooner than an n/a car. I know there probably isn't a simple answer to this question, but if you could try I would appreciate it.

Thanks!

Brettus

iTrader: (2)

It is more like the type 3 kit from Mazsport ($8500)
SFR is $5500 so depending on the ems used it could be up to $2k cheaper ....

Brettus

iTrader: (2)

Tim , I see reference to the TSI ems on your website - is that the same as the Powermod from DNA in Aussie ?
I have the powermod for NA currently .

MrWigggles

Let me correct of the things I stated earlier. There was NO dyno to prove the 380ps claim. It was just an estimate.

But let's say the "380ps" number claim they mentioned was correct. 380ps converts to 375 BHP (i.e. crank) which would be about 320 WHP. So the difference between "380 WHP" and 320 BHP is not trivial. Given that the RX-8 does about 180 WHP stock, 380 WHP is 110% more.

You know good and well they didn't get a 110% improvement in power from your product running at 0.3 bars (+5 PSI). Yet you proudly touted the results as "here's a happy customer who has my 380 WHP turbo kit." (I think even their estimate of a crank power of 375HP is far fetched for a 5 PSI turbo.)

That's the point. You were overstating your product and were given ample chances to change your statements as people made comments.

So my initial response in this thread was more tailored to Brettus question, "looks good - how come nobody on here has it ?" For me there's a lack of trust; I am only speaking for myself and I gave my rationale.

Stop playing the role of the victim. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." Get used to it.

-Mr. Wigggles

SpeedForceRacing

Yes it is the powemod unit. I will change that on the website asap.




Tim