SFR turbocharger system-2 year update!
03-22-2007, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Renesis_8
yes, exactly what i thought. 320whp is a lot for the RX-8, mazsport hasnt achieved 400whp. And i dont think the "soon-to-be-released" superchargers will outpower this figure by too much, if at all.
03-22-2007, 01:07 PM
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Aero8,
SFR presented new information to me in his last post to try to explain away the discrepancy. "Oh wait, that HK guy actually used 0.7 bar. That's how he got the power."
He gives new information. I will give a new response. He's not my girlfriend. I don't have to just give in and let it die.
I don't buy his comment, but it still doesn't even clear up SFR's story that he has/had/will ever have a "380 WHP" kit.
-Mr. Wigggles
SFR presented new information to me in his last post to try to explain away the discrepancy. "Oh wait, that HK guy actually used 0.7 bar. That's how he got the power."
He gives new information. I will give a new response. He's not my girlfriend. I don't have to just give in and let it die.
I don't buy his comment, but it still doesn't even clear up SFR's story that he has/had/will ever have a "380 WHP" kit.
-Mr. Wigggles
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03-22-2007, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWigggles
Aero8,
SFR presented new information to me in his last post to try to explain away the discrepancy. "Oh wait, that HK guy actually used 0.7 bar. That's how he got the power."
He gives new information. I will give a new response. He's not my girlfriend. I don't have to just give in and let it die.
I don't buy his comment, but it still doesn't even clear up SFR's story that he has/had/will ever have a "380 WHP" kit.
-Mr. Wigggles
SFR presented new information to me in his last post to try to explain away the discrepancy. "Oh wait, that HK guy actually used 0.7 bar. That's how he got the power."
He gives new information. I will give a new response. He's not my girlfriend. I don't have to just give in and let it die.
I don't buy his comment, but it still doesn't even clear up SFR's story that he has/had/will ever have a "380 WHP" kit.
-Mr. Wigggles
.7 bar = ~10.3 psi
In a perfect world, 220bhp * 1.7 = 374bhp. In this thread, the statement was 380bhp, not whp. That's pretty close to being on track, isn't it?
On SFR's website, their dyno claims ~320whp @ 9psi. There's no mention of acheiving 380bhp or whp, especially @ .4 or ~5.8psi.
All I'm saying is, those numbers are ballpark enough to not be laughable.
03-22-2007, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SpeedForceRacing
Well I think I can answer this.There are at least 15 people on these boards with the system on thier cars. However, nobody seems to post anymore since everytime they do post, there are 50 people flaming them and us.I mean people are still stewing over the fact that it took us a little while to complete our tuning and put up a 300+WHP dyno chart. What is really funny is that there are some companies here that have been doing their supercharger projects and turbocharger projects for 4+ years with no sort of results,100,000 posts,dyno charts generated on Microsoft excel and yet we get flamed and are the bad guys 
It is what it is and we will continue to sell and support our product.Take care.
It is what it is and we will continue to sell and support our product.Take care.the thing i gotta say about SFR is that they have always handled the flaming and critisizim in a profesinal manner. i would have blown up already. i remember it was between ptp and sfr in the beggining but everyone jumped on the ptp band wagon because sfr has problems with the first car. as for the flaming, we have some angry people here on these boards.
as for the kit, its made out of some of the best materials. the rest is in the ECU although they had problems with in the beggining. $5500 + ECU is ok for 325hp. it could be better though im sure they didnt tune it for the max. the ptp is using a slightly larger turbine and gets 360+hp if i remember correctly for about the same price.
as for mazsport, i seriously doubt that they will hit the 400hp barrier with that turbine on pump gas. especially in calli. maybe if you upgrade ignition as well but i still think the hotside is a bit small.
i dont understand why there are so many people are convinced that the AFSC will put out more hp then a basic greddy kit. at sevenstock, they said that it will be in the 240hp range. its 600 cfm... what do you expect?
the petite stage 2 is supposed to get you to 300 hp but ive yet to see that as well.
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03-22-2007, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by gh0st
the petite stage 2 is supposed to get you to 300 hp but ive yet to see that as well.
03-22-2007, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Devil
To play devil's advocate, how about this:
There's no mention of acheiving 380bhp or whp, especially @ .4 or ~5.8psi.
All I'm saying is, those numbers are ballpark enough to not be laughable.
There's no mention of acheiving 380bhp or whp, especially @ .4 or ~5.8psi.
All I'm saying is, those numbers are ballpark enough to not be laughable.
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-major-horsepower-upgrades-93/380whp-sfr-turbo-rx-8-hong-kong-101979/
And the title of that thread is?
"380WHP SFR turbo RX-8 in Hong Kong"
and the Author of the thread is?
SpeedForceRacing
and what is the stated pressure from the article?
0.3 bar
Now are those claims "laughable"?
-Mr. Wigggles
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03-22-2007, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWigggles
Now are those claims "laughable"?
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03-22-2007, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWigggles
As I linked earlier in this thread:
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=101979
And the title of that thread is?
380WHP SFR turbo RX-8 in Hong Kong
and the Author of the thread is?
SpeedForceRacing
and what is the stated pressure from the article?
0.3 bar
Now is that "laughable"?
-Mr. Wigggles
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=101979
And the title of that thread is?
380WHP SFR turbo RX-8 in Hong Kong
and the Author of the thread is?
SpeedForceRacing
and what is the stated pressure from the article?
0.3 bar
Now is that "laughable"?
-Mr. Wigggles
As for .3 bar relating to 380hp of any sort on an OEM Renesis being laughable...yes, it is and I don't think that's possible. But I already addressed that with the math in my post, so your question didn't need to be asked.
03-22-2007, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWigggles
SFR presented new information to me in his last post to try to explain away the discrepancy. "Oh wait, that HK guy actually used 0.7 bar. That's how he got the power."
He gives new information. I will give a new response. He's not my girlfriend. I don't have to just give in and let it die.
He gives new information. I will give a new response. He's not my girlfriend. I don't have to just give in and let it die.
03-22-2007, 03:34 PM
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I'm new to the forum and I already see why there is so little aftermarket support for the RX-8. It's too risky considering the way forum members respond to vendors when a product is introduced. I've seen Turbo Xs and SFR create some quality products for our cars, yet someone always finds a reason to complain about the dumbest things. Considering the bashing SFR gets from MrWiggles, I think they handle themselves in a very professional manner.
Moving on...SFR, I'm interested in purchasing one of your "Tuner" kits without EMS. I would however, like to upgrade to a Turbogenics GT-K 350 turbo and larger intercooler if necessary. Can you send me a reply or pm letting me know if you can make that happen and how the price of the kit would be affected?
Moving on...SFR, I'm interested in purchasing one of your "Tuner" kits without EMS. I would however, like to upgrade to a Turbogenics GT-K 350 turbo and larger intercooler if necessary. Can you send me a reply or pm letting me know if you can make that happen and how the price of the kit would be affected?
03-22-2007, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by an82nv
Moving on...SFR, I'm interested in purchasing one of your "Tuner" kits without EMS. I would however, like to upgrade to a Turbogenics GT-K 350 turbo and larger intercooler if necessary. Can you send me a reply or pm letting me know if you can make that happen and how the price of the kit would be affected?
03-22-2007, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Devil
I specifically addressed this thread, and their website in separate paragraphs in my post. I didn't change the topic in either paragraph, so wherein did your reading comprehension lead you to re-post the link above and assert the same argument again?
I agree that 320 WHP is reasonable with 9PSI. What isn't reasonable are his comments in the past. SFR knows very well that some guy got the SFR kit Hong Kong went to a magazine and bragged about how bad *** it was. "Yo, yo, this car has a 'famous American SFR' turbo in it that does 380ps with only 0.3 Bar. I don't have anything to prove it but hey it looks tight."
Those claims were BS then are the claims now still BS? I dunno.
-Mr. Wigggles
03-22-2007, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWigggles
Oh, so you are familiar with the owner. Do you think he made "380 WHP" at 0.7 bar?
You don't have to answer that. Anyway, lets get back to the article.
The above states:
The article doesn't give any data to prove the claim. Its the customer's comments.
Sorry sir, happy customer(s) aside, your kit doesn't make 380 WHP at 0.3 bar and I seriously doubt it makes 380 WHP at 0.7 bar either.
So you can't read Chinese? Neither can I. A co-worker translated for me and how he translated it was exactly how I made it out the first time: 380ps at 0.3BAR (+4.4PSI). I've rolled my eyes at some of your comments in the past. This article, which YOU presented, was simply the most obvious example of your exaggerations or at the least lofty expectations.
This forum will trash posters for stupid reasons, but it will also be hard on those who are simply hyping for their own interests.
-Mr. Wigggles
You don't have to answer that. Anyway, lets get back to the article.
The above states:
The article doesn't give any data to prove the claim. Its the customer's comments.
Sorry sir, happy customer(s) aside, your kit doesn't make 380 WHP at 0.3 bar and I seriously doubt it makes 380 WHP at 0.7 bar either.
So you can't read Chinese? Neither can I. A co-worker translated for me and how he translated it was exactly how I made it out the first time: 380ps at 0.3BAR (+4.4PSI). I've rolled my eyes at some of your comments in the past. This article, which YOU presented, was simply the most obvious example of your exaggerations or at the least lofty expectations.
This forum will trash posters for stupid reasons, but it will also be hard on those who are simply hyping for their own interests.
-Mr. Wigggles
You are misinterpreting what was said and what I have said. From my understanding 380PS is flywheel horsepower.I never , ever, ever, never claimed it made 380WHP in any post or on any board or when I have talked to any customer.I said 380PS which is what was told to me and at .7 bar. So that is my story, it hasnt changed and I am sticking to it. You can try to rearrange it any way you want and present as though I am making stuff up and that is cool.
03-22-2007, 03:50 PM
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SFR,
"I never , ever, ever, never claimed it made 380WHP in any post or on any board"
So who typed the title of the thread? Did a moderator type the title for you?
-Mr. Wigggles
"I never , ever, ever, never claimed it made 380WHP in any post or on any board"
So who typed the title of the thread? Did a moderator type the title for you?
-Mr. Wigggles
03-22-2007, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by LabDad
"new information"??? I read the link you posted and SFR clearly states that the 380 number was done at 0.7 bar.
I guess we were being mean for questioning him then?
-Mr. Wigggles
03-22-2007, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWigggles
SFR,
"I never , ever, ever, never claimed it made 380WHP in any post or on any board"
So who typed the title of the thread? Did a moderator type the title for you?
-Mr. Wigggles
"I never , ever, ever, never claimed it made 380WHP in any post or on any board"
So who typed the title of the thread? Did a moderator type the title for you?
-Mr. Wigggles
That was a mistake on my part. I should have stated 380PS and not WHP. If you look on all the posts aside from the title of the thread,I never did make those claims and I am still not because at this time,with the turbo he has, it is not possible.What more do you want?
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03-22-2007, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWigggles
It didn't sound like you read it the first time. My comment was to Aero8 not you.
I agree that 320 WHP is reasonable with 9PSI. What isn't reasonable are his comments in the past. SFR knows very well that some guy got the SFR kit Hong Kong went to a magazine and bragged about how bad *** it was. "Yo, yo, this car has a 'famous American SFR' turbo in it that does 380ps with only 0.3 Bar. I don't have anything to prove it but hey it looks tight."
Those claims were BS then are the claims now still BS? I dunno.
-Mr. Wigggles
I agree that 320 WHP is reasonable with 9PSI. What isn't reasonable are his comments in the past. SFR knows very well that some guy got the SFR kit Hong Kong went to a magazine and bragged about how bad *** it was. "Yo, yo, this car has a 'famous American SFR' turbo in it that does 380ps with only 0.3 Bar. I don't have anything to prove it but hey it looks tight."
Those claims were BS then are the claims now still BS? I dunno.
-Mr. Wigggles
sorry for that.
either way, is there really a need to keep this **** going? as I said, the thread was in the past, he has said what the current kit should produce. just leave it at that. did you have a personal experience with this vendor or is it just this thread that upset you so much? you seem to be the only one fighting against sfr right now...and it seems very pointless. what are you trying to gain? I'm not trying to be an ***, but the vendor is now trying to get some news out about their kit, with actual data, and you are crapping all over it.
03-22-2007, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by an82nv
I'm new to the forum and I already see why there is so little aftermarket support for the RX-8. It's too risky considering the way forum members respond to vendors when a product is introduced. I've seen Turbo Xs and SFR create some quality products for our cars, yet someone always finds a reason to complain about the dumbest things. Considering the bashing SFR gets from MrWiggles, I think they handle themselves in a very professional manner.
Moving on...SFR, I'm interested in purchasing one of your "Tuner" kits without EMS. I would however, like to upgrade to a Turbogenics GT-K 350 turbo and larger intercooler if necessary. Can you send me a reply or pm letting me know if you can make that happen and how the price of the kit would be affected?
Moving on...SFR, I'm interested in purchasing one of your "Tuner" kits without EMS. I would however, like to upgrade to a Turbogenics GT-K 350 turbo and larger intercooler if necessary. Can you send me a reply or pm letting me know if you can make that happen and how the price of the kit would be affected?
The GT-K 550 or 650 would be the turbo to use since the hotside would be a direct bolt-on to our headers and downpipe.And it is a close equivlant of the 60-1 we run now.I will send you a pm.FYI, I have learned to be as docile as possible when dealing with peopl on the internet.8-9 years ago I used to blow up and look pretty foolish.I still get angry and want to beat the crap out of some people but I maintain a civilized demeanor in order to stay professional.
03-22-2007, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SpeedForceRacing
That was a mistake on my part. I should have stated 380PS and not WHP.
You can correct it. Go to the first post and push the edit button. The title will editable (make sure the change sticks though - some forums won't let you change the title of the first post only a moderator can.)
If you just now noticed the" WHP", wow. What do you think all of the "lol" were about in the first ten posts?
It's not an official press-release from SFR, but you should probably treat information you share very carefully.
-Mr. Wigggles
03-22-2007, 04:14 PM
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Wiggles, who **** in your cheerios? Why are you so hell bent on the precise numbers that are obtainable with this kit anyway? Is it me, or is the rx8club a hotspot for whiners?
TO GET BACK ON TOPIC..... congrats Tim, you guys have done a nice job. This forum needs more guys like yourself, instead of the post ****** who currently take up most of this space.
TO GET BACK ON TOPIC..... congrats Tim, you guys have done a nice job. This forum needs more guys like yourself, instead of the post ****** who currently take up most of this space.
03-22-2007, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MadDog
Can we please not turn this into the usual SFR-bashing thread?
What they have done is, in my opinion, quite remarkable. They have had a product on the market for two years that is only very recently been matched by another commercial outfit. The treatment they get here is unfair - no doubt about it. I for one, get nauseated every time someone kisses the *** of one a particular S/C which may never see the light of day.
Congrats, SFR. You've taken your lumps here, but this is an accomplishment.
What they have done is, in my opinion, quite remarkable. They have had a product on the market for two years that is only very recently been matched by another commercial outfit. The treatment they get here is unfair - no doubt about it. I for one, get nauseated every time someone kisses the *** of one a particular S/C which may never see the light of day.
Congrats, SFR. You've taken your lumps here, but this is an accomplishment.
ditto
