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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 09:02 PM
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Hey munche, expand the loaded part and take screenshots with the bar at different positions, and then overlay the screenshots if you can. If you can't do that you're better off exporting to excel and taking a screenshot of the spreadsheet.

The graph has no scale marks; it's meant to be navigated through. When he moves that line on the graph the numbers at the top of that line change.
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
How do you read that with no scale? Without a scale, that print is pretty meaningless.

Also, can't you expand just the loaded part of the run?
I emailed you the excel file of that run.
No I can't expand.
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Rote8
I'll do this without the math, the simple way:
Hey munche187, what was the A/F without the methanol/nitromethane mixture injected?
That was with out the meth
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Bastage
Hey munche, expand the loaded part and take screenshots with the bar at different positions, and then overlay the screenshots if you can. If you can't do that you're better off exporting to excel and taking a screenshot of the spreadsheet.

The graph has no scale marks; it's meant to be navigated through. When he moves that line on the graph the numbers at the top of that line change.
My wife is bugging me that I have spent all night on the car if you want I can send you the data log in both formats. I don't have time right now to cut and paste.

Jeff has the excel file of this run
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by munche187
That was with out the meth
Looks niiice.

314 g/s @ 7800 RPMS and 114 mph. That should be able to spank a Challenger, I think
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Rote8
I'll do this without the math, the simple way:
Hey munche187, what was the A/F without the methanol/nitromethane mixture injected?
Uh, you don't get it.
Lets say his AF was 12.3:1 (.83 lambda for gas) without the meth (that is what he said it was in the post just before yours).
Now he turns on the meth/H2O (forget the nitro for a minute) and the AF is 12.8:1 (.87 lambda for gas).

What is his actual lambda?

Well, lets say for shots & goggles that he is flowing 35 pounds of air with that SC.
That means that the 12.3:1 AF is 2.8 pounds of gas per minute.
Now, lets say that the nitro/H2O he is injecting is 15% of his liquid volume (at a 40% mix).
So, on top of the 2.8 pounds of gas, he is now injecting about .2 pounds of meth with a stoich ratio of 6.7:1 (compared to gas at 14.7:1).

Do you see where this is going?

This doesn't even take into account the H2O, which is not combustible.
Then there is the nitro which, besides being immiscible and therefore of a indeterminable ratio, has a stoich ratio of 1.7:1.

The long and short - you can't tune for AF when the spray is on. Its meaningless.
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by munche187
Jeff has the excel file of this run
I didn't receive it.
Try sending it to ap@mazdamaniac (.com)
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 10:15 PM
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happy birthday Bastage!!!

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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 10:55 PM
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Thanks Shinka! Wow, birthday's almost over, time to go to bed.
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 02:55 AM
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Happy Birthday and page 100!

PS I have both grey hairs (first on my head when I was about 12!) and a supercharger now..... 8)
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by california style
Happy Birthday and page 100!

PS I have both grey hairs (first on my head when I was about 12!) and a supercharger now..... 8)
Thanks man, welcome to the gray haired supercharger owner's club.
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by california style
Happy Birthday and page 100!

PS I have both grey hairs (first on my head when I was about 12!) and a supercharger now..... 8)
Originally Posted by Bastage
Thanks man, welcome to the gray haired supercharger owner's club.
I think that gray hair is just a result of reading this thread
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 09:15 AM
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Yeah thanks for creating it PHIL lolololololol
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 09:33 AM
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i think i qualify for the gray-hair SC club....
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by shinka213


i think i qualify for the gray-hair SC club....
If you say so, I'll have to believe you - Can't picture you with gray hair. Oh well only her hairdresser knows
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 10:49 AM
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I just had the 265/35ZR-18 Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R installed all the way around they fit fine with no rubbing
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by munche187
I just had the 265/35ZR-18 Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R installed all the way around they fit fine with no rubbing
Most likely a dumb question (I guess I could search) but what is stock offset? I was looking a new set of rims and was asked that question.
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil's 8
Most likely a dumb question (I guess I could search) but what is stock offset? I was looking a new set of rims and was asked that question.

50.

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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 11:39 AM
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Phil - im letting the cat outta the bag...i do my roots!! i will never have gray showing..its against my religion

for wheels set up, this is what im running....

with stock shocks and tein s techs:

Volks GT-Fs
19x8.5 +33 245/35/19 toyo T1Rs up front
19X9.5 +36 275/30/19 toyo T1Rs in the rear

with no rubbing
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 01:04 PM
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Mine are Volk RE30s 18 X 9.5 all the way around they are a 42mm offset
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by shinka213
19x8.5 +33 245/35/19 toyo T1Rs up front
19X9.5 +36 275/30/19 toyo T1Rs in the rear

with no rubbing
???

That's only because you don't push the car.

A 9.5" rim with a +36mm offset is sticking WAAAAY out (and you can tell from your pics that's the case).

A +42mm minimum offset (and a 1.2°+ camber) is needed to keep that tire from rubbing in the back under hard cornering.

I run 275/30 on 9.5" 19s with a +42mm offset (with 1.7° of camber) and they just make it under on track days with lightly rolled arches.
There are still places on the plastic where the tire touches.
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 01:48 PM
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I'm running the enkei specials (18x9.5 +45) with 275x35s. I clear in the rear by about a paper's thickness. If my lining pops off the clip at the very corner and sticks out maybe 1/8" where you can push on it and it moves just enough so that you know it's not being pulled back by the clip, it hits the tire and wears through. I'm not sure how much camber I'm running as it was already enough to clear the tires.

On the nitromethane lambda discussion - did you change your tune between mixtures anticipating the added fuel or did you just have varying conditions that produced the different AFRs? I've read threads on other boards of people running a lot of methanol injection as a supplemental fuel source but the AFRs they shoot for are a weighted averaged based on what they run and generally way south of 12. Hmmmm. If you ran out of meth, that 12.8 might get up over 13.
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 02:00 PM
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The last run I did was with out the methanol and it was 12.3 I posted the screen shot. I disconnected the pump made sure the tank was empty and did some runs to make sure no meth was left in the system.
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
???

That's only because you don't push the car.

A 9.5" rim with a +36mm offset is sticking WAAAAY out (and you can tell from your pics that's the case).

A +42mm minimum offset (and a 1.2°+ camber) is needed to keep that tire from rubbing in the back under hard cornering.

I run 275/30 on 9.5" 19s with a +42mm offset (with 1.7° of camber) and they just make it under on track days with lightly rolled arches.
There are still places on the plastic where the tire touches.
you have to admit......they do look HAWT!!!
and granted, i dont track my car but i do push it from time to time on twisties etc
havent had a problem yet...
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 02:07 PM
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Bah - disregard me. I'm making arrangements to pick up my car so most of my good brain cells are doing hamster wheel sprints. All I have left are the crappy brain cells I use for work.
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